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Offline mannyrock

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Death of the Commercial Mauser
« on: May 02, 2012, 03:57:34 AM »
Dear Guys,
    Having fired bolt actions and gone to gunshows for 45 years now, I am ready to pronounce the commercial sporting mauser dead.  By that, I mean not one in 100 bolt action rifles being sold (new or used),  has a 98 mauser action, and hunters under 40 years old just don't give a rat's butt about them.
    When I was growing up in the 1960s, the mauser action was considered top of the line, whether an FN Supreme, a Browning Safari, a J.C. Higgins by FN, or an Interarms Mark X.  The only other rifle that came close was the pre-64 Winchester 70, which was based 98% on the mauser 98.  Push feeds were suspect, or what people settled for if they didn't have the money (or knowledge) to buy the best.
   Now, nobody cares.  Those extra 2 pounds of weight are considered dead weight with no real advantage.  The claw extractor seems antiquated to people who cut their teeth on the ultra-reliable Remington 700s, which swamped the market by the late 1960s.
   Oh well, things come and go.  And maybe that claw extractor is only important to people who fantasized about hunting dangerous game.
   There is a classified ad in the Valley Trader today (Shenandoah Valley) for a J.C. Higgins FN Mauser, .30-06, in very good condition for just $400 or best offer.  Fifteen years ago, these were going for $550.  And I'll bet it won't even sell.
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 04:33:12 AM »
Think Ruger !
think easy scope installation not drilling in steel so hard it breaks/dulls bits if you can get one started where you want the hole.
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 08:55:51 AM »
I would guess if you went to Europe you'd find the commerical Mauser doing well.
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 09:03:25 AM »
I have had a couple rifles made from actions.
With the cost of the action, and the cost of the stuff to make the rifle, the barrel and all.  And then add in the cost of the gun smith and I could have ordered a new rifle for a few $ less.
Unless you want something really out of the ordinary the 98 action does not makes sense.
With that said I am thinking of a 98 action chambered in 450 Marlin as a next project.
OH and not to mention that the lever safety gets in the way of most scopes and either needs ot be modified or changed out to a wing or other that adds to the cost.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 01:41:28 PM »
Zastava still makes a full line of these.  Some are imported by EAA.  I've really been tempted to give one a shot after some good reviews I have found here and there.  I just wish they would import all the calibers so I could get a 7x57 instead of just the American calibers.  8(
 
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Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2012, 06:13:23 AM »
Have you asked them if they will bring you in a 7x57?

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2012, 06:51:17 AM »
They also make a Mannlicher stocked, 18" barreled, 7.62x39 with a flush fit magazine that weighs 5.7 lbs. With some cool wood and a small but good scope, trigger adjusted at crisp 2-2.5 lbs, that could be a super sweet deer rifle. 

They also make the 6.5x57, a very nice caliber.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2012, 02:27:07 PM »
I'm in with Tacklebury. I bought a Zastava rifle and it's
faithful Mauser! I enjoy it very much!
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2012, 02:44:48 PM »
Have you asked them if they will bring you in a 7x57?

I have.  At the time I purchased my EAA Tanfoglio Witness Match pistol, I gave them feedback on the positives of that firearm, but that I'd love it if they'd bring the other calibers in too.  They stated that wasn't in their export agreement with Zastava.  8(
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Someone say Zastava?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2012, 04:08:54 PM »
Customized Remington/Zastava M798:
 

 

 

 
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2012, 04:18:37 PM »
Nice.  8)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2012, 07:04:27 AM »
Very Nice!!   8)
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2012, 07:17:33 AM »
I have a Zastiva .22 very nice rifle I would buy one of their center-fires but have many M70s CRF and one CZ already.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2012, 12:42:59 AM »
Check the Mauser site. They are still making the M98 and it is a fine looking rifle although I hear what you are saying about some of the stuff that is on the market today.
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2012, 01:09:25 AM »
try a Ruger M-77 and get the best of a mod 70 and Mauser   ;)
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2012, 01:59:41 AM »
M77 wont get the best of a M70crf.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2012, 07:43:00 AM »
in each has their opinion .
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2012, 11:57:21 AM »
I have both I know.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2012, 01:34:58 PM »
I have both I know.
I have both and really can not tell the Diff between the Push feed claw extract of the 77 and the CRF and claw extract of the M70 classic or any of my military or sporting mausers or even the Rem 700 push feeds.  Upside down, right side up side ways.  What ever attitude I am in and cycle the bolt at normal speeds the bullet comes out of the magazine and into the chamber and then out again as a loaded or empty case.  Can not say that my Sako AIII action will not feed from all angles as I am not willing to hang upside down and shoot the 375H&H.  I think I may swing around.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2012, 01:46:46 PM »
For me only accurate rifles are interesting, that's why I don't have a Mauser, an M77, or a Model 70.
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2012, 03:15:26 PM »
For me only accurate rifles are interesting, that's why I don't have a Mauser, an M77, or a Model 70.
The M1 Carbine, the AK 47, the Remington 7400-742 and the pump versions are not very accurate but are very interesting.
Oh and the Remington pump rifles that were in 30 rem, 32 rem, 25 rem and 35 rem.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2012, 11:59:35 PM »
The Remington pump rifles are very accurate.
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2012, 02:41:27 AM »
All my M70s are capable of half in groups I cant say the same for the M77 that's why I have it up for sale.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2012, 04:11:18 AM »
I have both I know.

I do also , like I said opinion
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2012, 04:15:52 AM »
Some of my Rugers will out shoot some M700's and M70's others don't . I like hunting with all three . I find no matter the model or brand each gun stands on its own . All brands have good shooters and all brands let bad shooters get out from time to time. Its part of mass production .
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2012, 03:39:54 PM »
the commercial mauser is my favorite action, the military mauser and remington 700 brings in a close second. i will not ever own another winchester,their safety design is crap!cant get over the winchester style safety. not much experience with ruger, (winchester style safety). howa has alot features that i like, mauser style recoil lug with a remington style safety.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2012, 03:50:27 PM »
The Remington pump rifles are very accurate.
Sure at 25 yards.  'Still makes them interesting.
And while some hunting rifles are more accurate than others and some most will shoot minute of Deer at 100 yards that is the point after all.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2012, 02:57:11 AM »
All my feather wt. M70s are factory epoxy bedded and are as accurate as all get out.

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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2012, 07:20:47 AM »
The Remington pump rifles are very accurate.
You betcha!! I have a 7mm-08 & a 30-06. I have equalled or beat many "high end" sporting grade bolt rifles in informal shooting matches.
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Re: Death of the Commercial Mauser
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2012, 11:33:05 AM »
I have about a dozen bolt action rifle and only one with a claw extractor.  Never had a problem with the push feeding working perfectly.  Once I short shucked a cartridge and the rifle didn't pick up a new round.  Fortunately the doe deer stopped and the buck did also, and I killed it anyway.  Not exactly an extractor problem.  Never seen the bad side of a Remington type extractor in 40 years.  I own few Remingtons, a Browning, a 70's Vanguard, and Winchester post 64 bolt rifle,  All work to my satisfaction.