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Home made medical devices and proceedures
« on: May 03, 2012, 04:48:38 AM »
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This can get gross and certainly dangerous. This is for a situation where life threatening conditions are present but there is no medical help available.
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For a bowel impaction when laxatives, enemas and digital removal have failed. A small wire device similar to a cooking wisk can be fashioned to assist removal. The working end will be smaller than a tspoon and the handle about twice as long as the index finger. The wisk end is evenly spaced and the handle is formed by twisting the wires together in a long spiral. The end of the handle is turned at a 90 degree. The device is inserted straight into the rectum and pushed very slowly and it should allow the manipulator to feel it pushing through the fecolith. When it passes through or pressure is felt on the gut wall, begin to retract the device while slowly turning it. This will create a channel where fluids can pass , enema or liquids in the upper intestines. This proceedure can be repeated at slightly different angles. There should be no pain except discomfort upon insertion.  Make no mistake, an impaction can kill you and people often die from the complicatons caused by them.
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The device can be made of three pieces of coat hanger wire that have been stripped of paint and VERY carefully checked for any sharp spots. This is for a life and death situation when no medical facilities or personel are available. Try at your own risk. I was successful with it and avoided a trip to the hospital. ear
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Re: Home made medical devices and proceedures
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2012, 05:24:55 AM »
UGH!!!!  luckily, with an active life trying to survive, that wouldn't be necessary.
but then there's us folks that can't be active and your machine might be needed. :o
I think I'll go have a bran sandwich.
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Re: Home made medical devices and proceedures
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2012, 05:50:55 AM »
Water pic for flushing sinuses. The jet can be dirrected into the sinus openings.
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The plastic tips can be reshaped easily. Hold the tip near a small candle and rotate until they begin to straighten themselves, at that point straighten the tip (start with one of the odd ones to practice) and cool it to harden it back. Then you can heat the tip and close it, cool it. At this point you can heat a needle and melt a small hole in the side near the closed tip. Try it with the waterpic, if it has too much force make the hole bigger.
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 Useing the pic to flush out sinus infections will be much like useing a nettie pot to wash out the sinuses/per instructions. The flush is 1 tsp salt + 1 tsp bakeing soda per 8oz water. I add some 10% betadine  to start things off. Be steril as you can. Use at your own risk. ear
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Re: Home made medical devices and proceedures
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2012, 06:06:54 AM »
A non-electrical method to flush sinuses.
http://www.neilmed.com/usa/sinusrinse.php
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2012, 11:50:10 PM »
The device is inserted straight into the rectum and pushed very slowly and it should allow the manipulator to feel it pushing through the fecolith.

 Now there's a dandy descriptive word if ever I heard one.  :o
 
 Seriously though, your device could be very helpful. Hopefully I'll never have the pleasure of being "the manipulator," but I suppose it might be a lot nicer than being the manipulee.  ;)
 
 On the other end of the rectum... errr, uh, spectrum... would be an easy procedure for removing a foreign body from the eye. I go nuts when I get something in my eye and can't get it out. Any suggestions?
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Re: Home made medical devices and proceedures
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 05:55:40 AM »
UGH!!!!  luckily, with an active life trying to survive, that wouldn't be necessary.
but then there's us folks that can't be active and your machine might be needed. :o
I think I'll go have a bran sandwich.
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Too much ruffage/fiber/bran can cause a blockage if your sysem isn't accustomed to it, start slow for those not used to it, ear
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Re: Home made medical devices and proceedures
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 05:42:31 PM »
I hate to get things in my eyes. Victor3, get you a small squeese bottle and carry that in your pack. Filled with water you can flush most things from your eye. I also have two pair of cheap readers, 3 power. Removed the left lens from one and the right lens from the other. They are small and take up little space when you close them up and put a rubber band around them.
This will let you look for an object in either eye and get it out. 

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2012, 03:05:50 PM »
Not to make light of a problem, brother ear, but this gives more credibility to the old story about the constipated mathematician who had to work everything out with a pencil.   ::)
 
I read several old accounts of mountain men and trappers; they all said that laxatives were a big item at the rendezvoux because of their eating habits.   After an extended period or two of eating nothing but C-rations, in the '60s and '70s, I found the condition was fairly common, and started carrying laxatives & stool softeners.  So you do have my sympathy.

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2012, 09:26:22 PM »
 My Dad used to take a pill every morning when we were out camping. They looked like a red M&M.
 
 I asked him what they were once and he told me they were his "blasting caps." After asking for and receiving clarification I didn't want to know much more about them...
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2012, 02:08:44 AM »
A lot of the prepper sites are recommending that we stock laxatives and stool softeners.  Mybe they've been doing that all along, but I just noticed it. 
I retired about the time Uncle started introducing MRE's, but I hear they still cause problems; maybe with so many folks prepping, there is the potential for "throughput" problems...gotta stock up on more greens.   8)
W-M house brand of Metamucil is cheap and effective.  Put a few on the shelf.  On the opposite end of the spectrum, after reading "Patriots" about running out of TP, I started picking up old telephone books and these little "local sales" newspapers for storage in an unused garbage can.

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Re: Home made medical devices and proceedures
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2012, 07:34:33 AM »
Some places they use coffee in thier bran flakes rather than milk. Ain't too bad.
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A breakfast of collard greens with a side of bran flakes and coffee. That will get your attention and get you "running" in more ways that one.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2012, 09:24:44 AM »
I've got a mountaineering medicine book that shows how to treat it with just your finger  :o

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2012, 12:56:33 AM »
I hate to get things in my eyes. Victor3, get you a small squeese bottle and carry that in your pack. Filled with water you can flush most things from your eye. I also have two pair of cheap readers, 3 power. Removed the left lens from one and the right lens from the other. They are small and take up little space when you close them up and put a rubber band around them.
This will let you look for an object in either eye and get it out.

 Excellent ideas; I'm gonna put together an 'eye kit.' I've been to the ER three times in my life to remove debris from my eye. Never thought about the modified reading glasses and I really need something to see close-up with.
 
 One thing I've had to do more than once is to (lightly) scrape off an object stuck on my eyeball. I've always just broken a Q-tip in half and used the end of the paper shaft. I imagine I should get some kind of sterile tool to do this.
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2012, 02:35:39 AM »
I do a little amateur fkintknapping and have wound up with a few small particles in the eye, even being careful and (usually) wearing some type of safety glasses.  Q-Tips work for me. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2012, 09:45:14 AM »
As a kid growing up on a ranch I'd helped Dad in several instances doctoring livestock, Hoof rot, Pink eye, cancer eye, prolapse, and eventually c-sections (had a 87-94% survival rate) had assisted my father as he worpked on blocked bladder-(stone), horse with a 17" long slice down to the ribs on the left side, perasites, barbed wire cuts were nasty, livestock diseases like sourmouth, bloody scours(coxy), brucellosis (the still birth disease), bovine rhinotracheltis, Leptospirosis, Circling disease, lumpjaw, foot and mouth, some of these humans can contract from livestock and wild animals if your not carful.
 
Farm supply helps, allit can be found on the NASCO farm supply web sight, in the end its experence that contributes to success, thats a long road of failuers to get there with no assistance.
 
one particular instance was a c-section gone bad, we'd run out of sterilizer and substituted and in the end it was too powerfull and caused the incisions to rot with the stiches pulling, Dad had to go back in and clean dead flesh along the incisions back to sound flesh and start over.
the mix ratio of your sterile solution shouldnt chemical burn the flesh your trying to mend.
 
The use of Wiskey is counter productive to healing and shouldent be used, it actally chemical burns raw flesh and causes it to die and sluff.
 
dealing with heavy burns, always lay in way way way way more materials than you think you need (never enuff non stick gause to front your mending wound after debriding the damaged flesh off) and antibiotic ointment's buy farm supply quantitys of quarts and gallon sizes, Buy providine solution in gallon jugs.
 
Antibiotics are a biggy.

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Re: Home made medical devices and proceedures
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2012, 09:52:30 AM »
A non-electrical method to flush sinuses.
http://www.neilmed.com/usa/sinusrinse.php

Or boil water add 1 tea spoon of salt to 8 oz of the boiled ater then snort it up the nose. A Dr. suggested I do this for allergies and it works to clear the nose.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2012, 10:29:48 AM »
A non-electrical method to flush sinuses.
http://www.neilmed.com/usa/sinusrinse.php

Or boil water add 1 tea spoon of salt to 8 oz of the boiled ater then snort it up the nose. A Dr. suggested I do this for allergies and it works to clear the nose.

I use the neilmed pot on a regular basis to flush my sinuses and it is very helpful.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2012, 10:34:45 AM »
have you read about tap water ? it is recomended not to use tap water but boiled or distilled water in those.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2012, 07:41:08 AM »
In a survival situation why fix what aint broke?
Im almost 46 and never have done a nose flush and wouldnt consider one in a non sanitary survival situation, the simple task of boiling water when no running water and hotwater heaters makes it a real chore, that heated water will have other higher priority uses than flushing boogers.
 
Last Summers news:
The amoeba, called Naegleria fowleri, is the only type that infects humans and is more than 95% lethal. The first death in 2011 occurred in June in Louisiana, according to the CDC.
A 16-year-old died Saturday after becoming infected by an amoeba in Brevard County, Florida, according to CNN's affiliate WFTV. The amoeba could have entered the teen's body as the teen swam in a nearby river
 
In another case, the Virginia Department of Health confirmed Friday that a child from central Virginia died from primary amoebic meningoencephalitis, which is caused by the amoeba. The Richmond Times Dispatch said the child was a 9-year-old boy from Henrico County.
The child died within the last few weeks, said Dr. Keri Hall, the state's director of epidemiology. She declined to share other details. Virginia's last confirmed case was in 1969.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/InfectionControl/30283
 
Just when you thought the U.S. was safe from amoebas . . . it turns out it’s not.
This summer saw a micro-burst of brain-eating amoeba attacks (well, only three, but that was plenty for the press to get its panties in a bunch over it. How could you not about “brain-eating amoebas”?) in people who swam in U.S. freshwater lakes, ponds, etc. You’d think the commencement of North American winter would preclude further possibility of attack. Alas, it does not. For this is the “amoeba’s” new secret weapon: the neti pot.
  The notorious neti pot. Creative Commons image by Kurt Yoder, 2004. Click image for license and link. Yes, the Neti pot. For those of you unfamiliar with this contraption, the idea is that instead of honking your way to kingdom come into a scratchy paper tissue, you can gracefully irrigate your way to an obstruction-free breathing by pouring the contents of a Neti pot into one nostril and out the other. Exhibit A:
  A neti pot in action. Creative Commons image by Aikhan. Click for license and link. Although I’ve never tried this, I’d say it’s probably easier said than done, at least to start. But it does seem to be effective, once mastered, based on what I’ve read.
Unless, that is, the tap water you use to fill the pot is home to some wayward “amoebas” called Naegleria fowleri. Somehow they can slip through the microbial Fort Knox of some U.S. water treatment plants and make it into tap water (at least in Louisiana).

 
 
How Do Amoebas Get in the Brain? The moniker "brain-eating amoeba" makes naegleria sound like tiny zombies wandering about looking for a way into your skull. But brains are accidental food for them, says Jonathan Yoder, MPH, who tracks the deadly amoeba for the CDC.
"It is normally eating bacteria in its natural environment, but for some reason it does use the brain as a food source when it gets into humans," Yoder tells WebMD.
If you were to drink a glass of water infested with naegleria, you would not get a brain infection. Infection occurs only after water (or perhaps dust) containing the amoeba gets into the nose.
This appears to happen most often when people are diving, water skiing, or performing water sports in which water is forced into the nose. However, infections have occurred in people who dunked their heads in hot springs or who used untreated tap water to cleanse their nostrils.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/23/brain-eating-amoeba-cases-puzzle-and-worry-scientists.html
 
http://news.discovery.com/human/brain-eating-amoeba-110818.html
 
http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20110818/brain-eating-amoeba-faq

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2012, 08:21:56 AM »
also if someone has seen or preformed medical task they would have an idea of what is needed and what to do . The idea of experimenting should be considered a last resort as it could be a last act .
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2012, 06:53:29 PM »
My sinus was blocked/plugged for over 9 months and I had a series of strong antibiotics and anti inflamitories. Kept having sinus headaches and dark rings under both eyes. Useing the water pick allowed me to dirrect the jet into the sinus cavity, the cavity that goes out to the upper jaw teeth, the sinus that you can snort the big green luggies out of when you have sinus problems.
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 First time I tried I didn't break it up but after I shortened the tip and bent it to a little more than a 90 degree I was able to break up the mucus with the jet stream and get the sinus clear. I took oil of Oregano and Tumerick pills and vitimine C three times a day for several days and that sinus got well, the lacrimal gland/tear duct was infected also and after the other sinus was clear the Oregano, tumerick, c  and further treatments with the spray put in a nose spray bottle  healed the tear duct also. Has been several weeks now and it hasnt flared back up.  ear
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Re: Home made medical devices and proceedures
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2012, 05:23:06 AM »
I've got a mountaineering medicine book that shows how to treat it with just your finger  :o
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The problem becomes accute when the solution is farther away than your fingertip, that is why the "tool" is about twice as long as your digit. That may not be long enough but that is as far as this effort extends.  :'(  ear
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2012, 09:40:16 AM »
I feel your sinus pain! I had to have a mucous retention cyst removed from a maxillary sinus last year. It was like paying a doctor 10 grand to pick my nose for me while under anesthesia! When I use  the neti pot I dont use tap water straight it has to be boiled no brain eating amoebas for me!

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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2012, 06:18:45 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2012, 03:43:29 PM »
  Bannerman's 1927 catalog listed leather covered cannon balls for relieving constipation by rolling them around on the patient's abdomen. (Any heavy weight works as well when it works.)

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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2012, 06:34:58 AM »
 If it is steel from grinding you can use a magnet, as long as it does not get imbedded. Hold the eyelid open with one hand and bring the magnet very close to your eye. It has worked for me 75% of the time.
 The other 25% required an eye doctor. HTH, 30calflash.

I hate to get things in my eyes. Victor3, get you a small squeese bottle and carry that in your pack. Filled with water you can flush most things from your eye. I also have two pair of cheap readers, 3 power. Removed the left lens from one and the right lens from the other. They are small and take up little space when you close them up and put a rubber band around them.
This will let you look for an object in either eye and get it out.

 Excellent ideas; I'm gonna put together an 'eye kit.' I've been to the ER three times in my life to remove debris from my eye. Never thought about the modified reading glasses and I really need something to see close-up with.
 
 One thing I've had to do more than once is to (lightly) scrape off an object stuck on my eyeball. I've always just broken a Q-tip in half and used the end of the paper shaft. I imagine I should get some kind of sterile tool to do this.
Hold still while I overthink this.