This is attributed to the Donald..

[ironglow]

  As is usual, it may or may not6 be something he said...but it still makes a lot of sense:
       
'Let me get this straight . . ..
We're going to be "gifted" with a health care
plan we are forced to purchase and
fined if we don't,
Which purportedly covers at least
ten million more people,
without adding a single new doctor,
but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,
written by a committee whose chairman
says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that didn't read it (but
exempted themselves from it),
and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who
didn't pay his taxes,
for which we'll be taxed for four years before any
benefits take effect,
by a congress which has
already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,
all to be overseen by an obese surgeon general
andfinanced by a country that's broke!!

What the hell couldpossibly go wrong?'

[BUGEYE]

that sounds like the Donald.  he says what's on his mind.

[magooch]

This Obamacare is the most shining example of what Dumycrats are capable of.  An absolute disaster and quite possibly the end of health care insurance altogether.  But no one should believe that they were'nt warned; Obama himself said very clearly that his real aim is to force a totally socialized system on us.  How can people be so stupid?

[BUGEYE]

  How can people be so stupid?

watch'em be stupid all over again.  plus, obama has even more help this time, those who say they won't vote.

[ironglow]

  According to the polls..there are certainly a large number who prefer to remain stupid.
       ......Or perhaps they just "can't help it" !      
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   " there's a cure for ignorance, but stupid lasts a lifetime". 

[BUGEYE]

  According to the polls..there are certainly a large number who prefer to remain stupid.
       ......Or perhaps they just "can't help it" !      
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   " there's a cure for ignorance, but stupid lasts a lifetime". 

[KIMBER45]

We are holding a benefit for a child because his family can not afford the liver, heart transplant the child needs. He will die without one. Why should a family have to endure such hardship when their childs health is more than enough worry for parents.

[ironglow]

We are holding a benefit for a child because his family can not afford the liver, heart transplant the child needs. He will die without one. Why should a family have to endure such hardship when their childs health is more than enough worry for parents.

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   What are you talking about ?  You better start a new thread with that question...

[ironglow]

We are holding a benefit for a child because his family can not afford the liver, heart transplant the child needs. He will die without one. Why should a family have to endure such hardship when their childs health is more than enough worry for parents.

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[BUGEYE]

We are holding a benefit for a child because his family can not afford the liver, heart transplant the child needs. He will die without one. Why should a family have to endure such hardship when their childs health is more than enough worry for parents.

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under obama care, transplants will be a thing of the past.  when my ICD needs a new battery, it will go dead while I wait for months for a replacement, if I get one at all.  since I'm 69, I would go to the bottom of the list.

[KIMBER45]

This child WILL die because of not having the money for a heart lung transplant. Obamacare would at least give him an opportunity for a transplant. Let's address this issue.  How would you address this poor child's issue and what solutions would you have so many others like him don't die needlessly ?

[KIMBER45]

We are holding a benefit for a child because his family can not afford the liver, heart transplant the child needs. He will die without one. Why should a family have to endure such hardship when their childs health is more than enough worry for parents.

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under obama care, transplants will be a thing of the past.  when my ICD needs a new battery, it will go dead while I wait for months for a replacement, if I get one at all.  since I'm 69, I would go to the bottom of the list.

[BUGEYE]

This child WILL die because of not having the money for a heart lung transplant. Obamacare would at least give him an opportunity for a transplant. Let's address this issue.  How would you address this poor child's issue and what solutions would you have so many others like him don't die needlessly ?

my heart goes out to any child with any illness.  but his best chances are under the current system.
if fact, on the news the other night, they said that organ donor numbers are way up.

under obama care, we will become like socialist europe, and our medical providers will be swamped with parasites going to the doctor, "just because they can" and they'll be doing it on your dime.
the IRS added 16000 new agents to insure that the slightest hangnail recieves medical attention.

going from the best medical care in the world, to socialized medicine is part of obamas fundamental change.  you asked for it, you got it......

[KIMBER45]

In this current system- no money = no transplant. How would you remedy this ?

[ironglow]

In this current system- no money = no transplant. How would you remedy this ?

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  Obamacare is NOT the answer...to have 1/7th of our economy run by the same type of beaurocrats who run the post office, IRS, EPA, the "stimulus plan" and the ATF "fast & furious" fiasco...can only result in disaster.
 
Plus, it is obvious;

 You don't understand the current system.  I've known of several transplants in my geographical area and few of them had the cash for the job.
   Sometimes transplants do not become available in time, or a second transplant is frowned upon if a person abused the first one..but I know noone who was flat refused solely for financial reasons.  If you want me to believe a little child was refused a transplant simply because of lack of funds..you'll have to show me, and I'm not even from Missouri .   

[KIMBER45]

In this current system- no money = no transplant. How would you remedy this ?

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  Obamacare is NOT the answer...to have 1/7th of our economy run by the same type of beaurocrats who run the post office, IRS, EPA, the "stimulus plan" and the ATF "fast & furious" fiasco...can only result in disaster.
 
Plus, it is obvious;

 You don't understand the current system.  I've known of several transplants in my geographical area and few of them had the cash for the job.
   Sometimes transplants do not become available in time, or a second transplant is frowned upon if a person abused the first one..but I know noone who was flat refused solely for financial reasons.  If you want me to believe a little child was refused a transplant simply because of lack of funds..you'll have to show me, and I'm not even from Missouri .   

I just did .

[KIMBER45]

If a transplant is preformed and the parents don't have enough insurance to cover the astronomical cost of a transplant surgery, whey should the parents be burdened with a doctor/hospital bill that would cause them to go bankrupt and lose their house?

[Cuts Crooked]

If a transplant is preformed and the parents don't have enough insurance to cover the astronomical cost of a transplant surgery, whey should the parents be burdened with a doctor/hospital bill that would cause them to go bankrupt and lose their house?

Donno.............I would do it for one of my children, but I suppose liberals have a different value system.

[KIMBER45]

If a transplant is preformed and the parents don't have enough insurance to cover the astronomical cost of a transplant surgery, whey should the parents be burdened with a doctor/hospital bill that would cause them to go bankrupt and lose their house?

Donno.............I would do it for one of my children, but I suppose liberals have a different value system.

What are you talking about ? I hope your job doesn't include comprehension of information.    I never said the parents wouldn't do it. NO ONE should be bankrupted because of health costs, especially in a case like this.

[tobster]

I have a friend that filed bankruptcy because of his wife's enormous medical bills due to kidney failure. I don't know all the details but he didn't lose his house.

[Cuts Crooked]

What are you talking about ? I hope your job doesn't include comprehension of information.    I never said the parents wouldn't do it. NO ONE should be bankrupted because of health costs, especially in a case like this.

What i'm talking about is taking responsibility for oneself and dealing with ones own problems, instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you. What you are talking about is socialized health care.....communisim. What I'm talking about is freedom. With freedom you have to take responsibility. Sometimes life throws you a curve. Believe me, I know. I had multiple heart attacks several years ago. In spite of my insurance, it nearly bankrupted us. So we refinanced our home, my wife got a job, and we struggled to get back on our feet, which we did! Without holding our hands out and expecting others to foot the bills.

 Socialized medicine is better than no health care at all I suppose, but not much according to what I've read about other nations socialized health care. In fact, under some of the socialized medical systems else where, your little friend would be told, "Sorry, you are going to die...too bad, so sad!"

Here in America we have the best health care available in the world. Why would we want to screw that up?

[KIMBER45]

What are you talking about ? I hope your job doesn't include comprehension of information.    I never said the parents wouldn't do it. NO ONE should be bankrupted because of health costs, especially in a case like this.

What I'm talking about is taking responsibility for oneself and dealing with ones own problems, instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you. What you are talking about is socialized health care.....Communism. What I'm talking about is freedom. With freedom you have to take responsibility. Sometimes life throws you a curve. Believe me, I know. I had multiple heart attacks several years ago. In spite of my insurance, it nearly bankrupted us. So we refinanced our home, my wife got a job, and we struggled to get back on our feet, which we did! Without holding our hands out and expecting others to foot the bills.

 Socialized medicine is better than no health care at all I suppose, but not much according to what I've read about other nations socialized health care. In fact, under some of the socialized medical systems else where, your little friend would be told, "Sorry, you are going to die...too bad, so sad!"

Here in America we have the best health care available in the world. Why would we want to screw that up?

I'm not talking about socialized medicine. It would make our country ever greater is those needing MAJOR SURGERY IN CASES OF LIFE AND DEATH would not have to go bankrupt. What would debt have been if you had NO insurance or poor insurance coverage ?? You're lucky you have a job. What about the unemployed? How can they afford to have insurance coverage?Wait till you need to change insurance and you have a preexisting condition .

[Cuts Crooked]

I'm not talking about socialized medicine. Yes you are. If you expect the tax payers to pick up the bill you are talking about socialism. It would make our country ever greater is those needing MAJOR SURGERY IN CASES OF LIFE AND DEATH would not have to go bankrupt. Don't know about that, seems like it means more & more people sucking at the public trough What would debt have been if you had NO insurance or poor insurance coverage ? It would have been too much and I would have died. Which is why I have insurance.You're lucky you have a job. No, I'm not lucky. Rather I got an education, worked hard, spent a lot of years doing without. and made myself important to my employers. What about the unemployed? How can they afford to have insurance coverage. They had the exact same opportunity I did.Wait till you need to change insurance and you have a preexisting condition . I'm not waiting, I have changed insurance carriers......it cost a lot, but I'm still covered

Now, maybe the above seems harsh to you, but it's the the way things are. In order to be free of intrusive big government, we cannot keep funding every hard luck story in the world. It has to stop and people are going to have to learn the hard way that the rest of the world doesn't owe them! That kids parents.....they screwed up. They didn't plan for major medical. and if the poor kid dies, they have only themselves to blame. They won't though, rather they will blame everyone but themselves. Unemployed?  That's their own fault, poor planning again. No insurance? Again, that's their own fault, poor planning. Bottom line, they shouldn't have had kids until they were ready and secure in their resources to pay for whatever might come up.

It's tough, but it's part of being free.

Of course I fully understand that some people don't value freedom as much as they value being taken care of cradle to grave.

[KIMBER45]

I'm not talking about socialized medicine. Yes you are. If you expect the tax payers to pick up the bill you are talking about socialism. It would make our country ever greater is those needing MAJOR SURGERY IN CASES OF LIFE AND DEATH would not have to go bankrupt. Don't know about that, seems like it means more & more people sucking at the public trough What would debt have been if you had NO insurance or poor insurance coverage ? It would have been too much and I would have died. Which is why I have insurance.You're lucky you have a job. No, I'm not lucky. Rather I got an education, worked hard, spent a lot of years doing without. and made myself important to my employers. What about the unemployed? How can they afford to have insurance coverage. They had the exact same opportunity I did.Wait till you need to change insurance and you have a preexisting condition . I'm not waiting, I have changed insurance carriers......it cost a lot, but I'm still covered

Now, maybe the above seems harsh to you, but it's the the way things are. In order to be free of intrusive big government, we cannot keep funding every hard luck story in the world. It has to stop and people are going to have to learn the hard way that the rest of the world doesn't owe them! That kids parents.....they screwed up. They didn't plan for major medical. and if the poor kid dies, they have only themselves to blame. They won't though, rather they will blame everyone but themselves. Unemployed?  That's their own fault, poor planning again. No insurance? Again, that's their own fault, poor planning. Bottom line, they shouldn't have had kids until they were ready and secure in their resources to pay for whatever might come up.

It's tough, but it's part of being free.

Of course I fully understand that some people don't value freedom as much as they value being taken care of cradle to grave.

If you haven't heard, the job market really really sucks. There are college graduates who can not get a job. Not their fault. But your mind is set and nothing I say will change it. Hopefully your views on not helping people in life or die situations is not shared by many.

[Cuts Crooked]

If you haven't heard, the job market really really sucks. Yup! Not a good time to start a family! There are college graduates who can not get a job. Not their fault. Yeah it is, they chose badly. But your mind is set and nothing I say will change it. True, I strongly believe in freedom, not government solutions to every problem! Hopefully your views on not helping people in life or die situations is not shared by many. My views on "helping" are not what you think. I will happily help someone in need, but I don't want the government robbing me to do it.........I'll choose who I help, when I choose too, and why!

[ironglow]

In this current system- no money = no transplant. How would you remedy this ?

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  Obamacare is NOT the answer...to have 1/7th of our economy run by the same type of beaurocrats who run the post office, IRS, EPA, the "stimulus plan" and the ATF "fast & furious" fiasco...can only result in disaster.
 
Plus, it is obvious;

 You don't understand the current system.  I've known of several transplants in my geographical area and few of them had the cash for the job.
   Sometimes transplants do not become available in time, or a second transplant is frowned upon if a person abused the first one..but I know noone who was flat refused solely for financial reasons.  If you want me to believe a little child was refused a transplant simply because of lack of funds..you'll have to show me, and I'm not even from Missouri .   

I just did .

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   So, you're talking of holding benefits for those in need..that's nothing new.  That is being done in our area all the time, that's what community is all about.  Some of those benefits brought in a sizeable help..some only moderate; but NOBODY was REFUSED the help they needed.  Theres a man a quarter mile down the street from me who is not rich, but is headed for his 2nd kidney transplant..if his body will take it.  His 3 girls are not starving and his wife still runs her small shop.
  Generally benefits and drives are  held and as much as possible is raised..then between insurance, personal debt and various liver, kidney, lung, heart etc foundations help greatly.  The aforementioned helps is how my neighbor has managed.
   Honest projections and common sense tells us that Obamacare will likely break our nation... and the high taxes exacted will kill voluntary benefit drives..since there will be very little spare cash around to donate.

[Cuts Crooked]

   Honest projections and common sense tells us that Obamacare will likely break our nation... and the high taxes exacted will kill voluntary benefit drives..since there will be very little spare cash around to donate.

Precisely!!!!!!!!! And every penny O'boy extracts from my paycheck is one that I don't have to give to the needy I choose to help!

[KIMBER45]

Iron- I agree with some of what you say. I still feel NO ONE should lose their house or have to claim bankruptcy because of illnesses.

[ironglow]

Iron- I agree with some of what you say. I still feel NO ONE should lose their house or have to claim bankruptcy because of illnesses.

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  Kimber;
  i think you may be referring to what insurance companies call "catastrophic coverage".  Some folks say " i can cover the day to day colds, cuts flu and various doctor needs, but I would like coverage for tha medical "catastrophy" which can happen to anybody.
  The fact is, most people under 40 would probably prefer such a plan, since their day to day needs are often minimal..but by the Obama plan they MUST join in..that way their good health with equal $$ premiums...helps pay the chronic bills for many golden agers.
  If a govt really wanted to do something more acceptable, they might let the private companies compete nationwide to furnish insurance as they always did..and the govt be there only to assist when a catastrophy hits.  Some protesting Obamacare might accept govt catrastrophic coverage..for a very small extra fee on their payroll deduction.

[KIMBER45]

Iron- I agree with some of what you say. I still feel NO ONE should lose their house or have to claim bankruptcy because of illnesses.

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  Kimber;
  i think you may be referring to what insurance companies call "catastrophic coverage".  Some folks say " i can cover the day to day colds, cuts flu and various doctor needs, but I would like coverage for tha medical "catastrophy" which can happen to anybody.
  The fact is, most people under 40 would probably prefer such a plan, since their day to day needs are often minimal..but by the Obama plan they MUST join in..that way their good health with equal $$ premiums...helps pay the chronic bills for many golden agers.
  If a govt really wanted to do something more acceptable, they might let the private companies compete nationwide to furnish insurance as they always did..and the govt be there only to assist when a catastrophy hits.  Some protesting Obamacare might accept govt catrastrophic coverage..for a very small extra fee on their payroll deduction.

I could accept that as a good plan.