This is attributed to the Donald..

[BUGEYE]

we took our daughter to the ER last night "possible broken foot turned out to be sprain" and they had a large sign that said,  you WILL be seen and treated regardless of your ability to pay.

with obama-care, doctors offices will be rowed up like a mexican restaurant on cinco-de-mayo.

[BUGEYE]

we took our daughter to the ER last night "possible broken foot turned out to be sprain" and they had a large sign that said,  you WILL be seen and treated regardless of your ability to pay.

with obama-care, doctors offices will be rowed up like a mexican restaurant on cinco-de-mayo.

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No they won't ...being a Doctor is still one of the best gigs in town...and should be too. Maybe not as good as being a HC Insurance exec..but still a good gig. Emergency rooms are not healthcare...they're first aid stations and entry portals into hospitals...they cost HC insurance payers alot of money and are main profit centers of hospitals...even if all us insurance payers are subsidizing the uninsured non-payers.
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..TM7

I see a cardiologist, an orthopedic, and an internist on a regular basis.  each of those have a lawyer who has explained obama-care to them.  how do I know that??  I have talked with them about it.  I will see my orthopedic tomorrow about my epidurals, and we will talk about it again.
he would like to give old folks like me a break on some treatments, but his hands are already tied by obama.  $5000 fine if caught deviating from his normal fee.  CAN YOU SAY COMMUNISM??
this administration wants to force most doctors and all insurance companies out of business.
we are rushing down the road toward USSR type communism.

[coyotejoe]

I have a bumper sticker which says "Harry Potter for president, only a wizard could get us out of this". It would be nice if someone could wave a magic wand and give everyone whatever they need but Ronald Reagan spoke the truth when he said "government is not the solution, government is the problem". Right now the government is spending more than ever before and of every dollar it spends 42 cents is borrowed. I doesn't take a financial genius to realize that can't continue for long. "Tax the rich" will be but a drop in the deficit bucket. "Tax those big corporations" is pure BS. Corporations have to turn a profit over and above taxes so when you raise their tax they HAVE to raise the cost of their product or service. The consumer is the ONLY tax payer. When you buy a loaf of bread you are paying the tax on the store, the tax on the trucking company, the tax on the grain mill, the tax on the farmer, the tax on the farm equipment maker, etc.,etc. We all are paying far more tax than we can possible know. It is not possible to balance the budget by raising taxes, the tax payer doesn't have the money, and we ALL are tax payers, even those on welfare are tax payers when they spend their welfare check.

[tobster]

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I have a friend that filed bankruptcy because of his wife's enormous medical bills due to kidney failure. I don't know all the details but he didn't lose his house."

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"By far the leading cause of family and personal bankruptcy in the USA is medical bills, and this is for persons having HC insurance..!
But not to worry--your employer may have taken out  'Peasants Insurance'  on you...
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..TM7

" Of all the people I know that filed bankruptcy,only one was due to medical bills and he kept his house. The others borrowed more than they were able, or willing, to repay. Medical bills being the leading cause of bankruptcy was one of Obama's talking points when he was ramming his healthcare bill down the throats of Americans, which makes me real skeptical of this "fact".

[coyotejoe]

True, the burst of the housing bubble combined with the loss of jobs has caused millions to walk away from homes they no longer can afford, if in fact they ever could afford them.

[BUGEYE]

The leading cause of bankruptcy is LAWYERS.
EVERY medical provider, private or public, will allow people to start making payments on their balance after insurance quits paying.
through my wifes work we have come to know several people that has had this problem.
the hospital etc. will badger them for payment, so they get a lawyer and file for bankruptcy.
when all they had to was go face-to-face with the administrator and arrange a payment schedule.
the hospital would rather have a small payment each month than to get nothing at all.

[Cuts Crooked]

The leading cause of bankruptcy is LAWYERS.
EVERY medical provider, private or public, will allow people to start making payments on their balance after insurance quits paying.
through my wifes work we have come to know several people that has had this problem.
the hospital etc. will badger them for payment, so they get a lawyer and file for bankruptcy.
when all they had to was go face-to-face with the administrator and arrange a payment schedule.
the hospital would rather have a small payment each month than to get nothing at all.

Actually, going to the hospital and asking them to help work out a payment plan is the best thing you can do! They will quite often, not only work with you, but will also look to find ways that they can reduce the total bill. And sometimes their efforts to do this is not insubstanital! Another way to cut major medical expense is to have surgical proceedures, such as heart surgery, done at University Hospitals. These places usually will accept whatever your insurance company pays as the total bill.

[Cuts Crooked]

If you haven't heard, the job market really really sucks. There are college graduates who can not get a job. Not their fault.

Like I said, poor choices:

[Empty Quiver]

Iron- I agree with some of what you say. I still feel NO ONE should lose their house or have to claim bankruptcy because of illnesses.

But it is perfectly acceptable that I should lose the opportunity to purchase a _________ fill in the blank. Because you have a sick child. 


Live in a rental home until you get those bills paid. Which is more important house payments, a good credit score, health care for a child? You can not have all three on a normal income. That"s right you cannot have all three.


You post this as if a transplant is as simple as coughing up the cash. My uncle died with plenty of cash wanting for a donor. You are welcome to your opinion sir, but please do not include me in your schemes to heal the needy.


I have in fact joined one of the schemes to help those needing medical assistance. What we do is all pay into a large fund and if one of our members gets sick or needs medical treatment we pay those bills. Now we make a point of making sure it's a legit illness and treatment is by legit Dr.s. To ensure each member has "skin in the game" he has to pay the first $20 out of his pocket, every time he goes to a Dr..


 In my case I was able to find that all the members could be found at the company I work for. In your scenario it would work much the same I suppose. Except for one thing........ I WILL BE FORCED AT GUNPOINT TO COMPLY......... yes failure to pay your taxes is a jail-able offense  Why not have your system paid for at an ATM with a mask and a Raven .25?

[Empty Quiver]

Iron- I agree with some of what you say. I still feel NO ONE should lose their house or have to claim bankruptcy because of illnesses.

But it is perfectly acceptable that I should lose the opportunity to purchase a _________ fill in the blank. Because you have a sick child. 


Live in a rental home until you get those bills paid. Which is more important house payments, a good credit score, health care for a child? You can not have all three on a normal income. That"s right you cannot have all three.


You post this as if a transplant is as simple as coughing up the cash. My uncle died with plenty of cash wanting for a donor. You are welcome to your opinion sir, but please do not include me in your schemes to heal the needy.


I have in fact joined one of the schemes to help those needing medical assistance. What we do is all pay into a large fund and if one of our members gets sick or needs medical treatment we pay those bills. Now we make a point of making sure it's a legit illness and treatment is by legit Dr.s. To ensure each member has "skin in the game" he has to pay the first $20 out of his pocket, every time he goes to a Dr..


 In my case I was able to find that all the members could be found at the company I work for. In your scenario it would work much the same I suppose. Except for one thing........ I WILL BE FORCED AT GUNPOINT TO COMPLY......... yes failure to pay your taxes is a jail-able offense  Why not have your system paid for at an ATM with a mask and a Raven .25?

[KIMBER45]

If you haven't heard, the job market really really sucks. There are college graduates who can not get a job. Not their fault.

Like I said, poor choices:

Yep that's the major of 98.6% of college grads? Tell us,since your so maketable, what exactly is your profession? It may help someone .

[Cuts Crooked]

Yep that's the major of 98.6% of college grads? Tell us,since your so maketable, what exactly is your profession? It may help someone .

I'm pretty sure you already know, since you jump in on so many threads that your libby pals are in and it has been discussed in some of them. Regardless, my profession is not germaine to the subject matter, what is germaine is that if you make poor choices, you have no one too blame but yourself.

[KIMBER45]

Yep that's the major of 98.6% of college grads? Tell us,since your so maketable, what exactly is your profession? It may help someone .

I'm pretty sure you already know, since you jump in on so many threads that your libby pals are in and it has been discussed in some of them. Regardless, my profession is not germaine to the subject matter, what is germaine is that if you make poor choices, you have no one too blame but yourself.
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I'll plead the right to remain silent. lol

[ironglow]

  That poor child who studied Hispanic "transgender gay & lesbian studies", is a victim.  Either she is a victim of her own stupidity.  However, if she has parents..it must be hereditary!  They should have advised her that there are virtually no jobs available in that field..since it is already flooded with applicants. Shucks, any major city has it's neighborhoods where creeps are studying "transgender, gay & lesbian" lifestyle..on their own and without benefit of college. ...An oversupply.    
  What Cuts does for a living is no business of ours...but if he were out running the streets, demanding a paycheck without work, demanding our taxes be raised to support him and making a general, messy nuisance of himself as the  OWS wimps are doing; then perhaps it would be our business.
  If the bimbo pictured had any sensible college advisers, they should have advised her better also...but then;.. "follow the money trail"..

[KIMBER45]

Anyone with such a degree has  a bunch of B.S alright.  

[KIMBER45]

Iron- I agree with some of what you say. I still feel NO ONE should lose their house or have to claim bankruptcy because of illnesses.

But it is perfectly acceptable that I should lose the opportunity to purchase a _________ fill in the blank. Because you have a sick child. 


Live in a rental home until you get those bills paid. Which is more important house payments, a good credit score, health care for a child? You can not have all three on a normal income. That"s right you cannot have all three.


You post this as if a transplant is as simple as coughing up the cash. My uncle died with plenty of cash wanting for a donor. You are welcome to your opinion sir, but please do not include me in your schemes to heal the needy.


I have in fact joined one of the schemes to help those needing medical assistance. What we do is all pay into a large fund and if one of our members gets sick or needs medical treatment we pay those bills. Now we make a point of making sure it's a legit illness and treatment is by legit Dr.s. To ensure each member has "skin in the game" he has to pay the first $20 out of his pocket, every time he goes to a Dr..


 In my case I was able to find that all the members could be found at the company I work for. In your scenario it would work much the same I suppose. Except for one thing........ I WILL BE FORCED AT GUNPOINT TO COMPLY......... yes failure to pay your taxes is a jail-able offense  Why not have your system paid for at an ATM with a mask and a Raven .25?

Your statement -[but please do not include me in your schemes to heal the needy.] What is you defination of needy?

[Cuts Crooked]

Your statement -[but please do not include me in your schemes to heal the needy.] What is you defination of needy?

Just a guess, but how about those too stoopid to plan ahead and who make poor life choices? Saddly, with the rise of liberalism there seem to be a plethora of them.

[KIMBER45]

there is needy and there is needy. Needy person one needs help inspite of trying all avenues to succeed. Needy person two expects help without trying to succeed. That's why I asked.

[Empty Quiver]

Needy would be those who are unable to get medical attention because they are afraid it will ruin their credit rating, or cause them to lose a house. A person must be willing to help themselves with the assets they have available. No doubt this will offend some,  but I look at schemes to appear destitute before going to a nursing facility as  fraud.


You work a lifetime accruing treasure. This treasure is for use during hard times, you may well encounter hard times early in life. When you reach the point you have nowhere to turn then society can be asked to help you get on your feet.  I do not see the corpses of poor and indigent littering the streets. Their is help out there for those in need.


Tales of individual hardship will always exist. By and large we are a giving people, what passes as poverty would make a fair existence in many parts of the world. Please list the successful (economically viable ) socialist governments.  They seem to be doing worse than the U.S. with it's miserable system.

[Hooker]

Oh there are more kinds of needy people than there is band width here to list.
Some needy people have family that is about to die and yet they concern themselves over losing their earthly possessions to save that life. These people need to seriously check their priorities .
Then there are needy people who are willing to trade our freedom and the possessions of others for what ever it is they need.
These people need to review their loyalties and honesty.

Pat

[magooch]

Surely if socialized medical care is the way to go, there must be a model somewhere in the world where everyone gets everything and there is no suffering, people only die of extreme old age, they all have nice homes, great jobs and all the other things that make life so perfect.  I haven't heard of this place, but wouldn't it be great if those who believe it is out there would move there and let those of us who believe in liberty, personal responsibility and reality are left here to struggle with our miserable existence.

[KIMBER45]

Yep that's the major of 98.6% of college grads? Tell us,since your so maketable, what exactly is your profession? It may help someone .

I'm pretty sure you already know, since you jump in on so many threads that your libby pals are in and it has been discussed in some of them. Regardless, my profession is not germaine to the subject matter, what is germaine is that if you make poor choices, you have no one too blame but yourself.

I really don't know- you gave your rather forceful " expert" opinions on cancer, physiological disorders , law and Law enforcement. Sounds like a Jack Of all trades, master of none with anger management problems.."

[Cuts Crooked]

Does it matter what Cuts does materially---only tangently...what matters is that many belong to the 'I got mine Jack' school of life so the he!! with everybody else comprising a society.
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..TM7

Of course it matters. It matters a great deal that the rise of liberalism/socialism/communism has created a belief that those who have not should be supported by those that have. Unfortunately, those that have are limited and cannot sustain the demands of the left forever.

When/If they finally manage to eliminate the haves, where are they going to turn?  Government? Got some sad news fer ya, without those that have, the government is going to be too poor to fill those out stretched hands.

Everyone the same..........all at the same level of poverty.....with the exception  of their new socialist masters of course.

[Cuts Crooked]

..and exactly what percentage of people needing transplants got them in the former workers paradise? How about in the current Peoples Republic of China? For that matter, what percentage of them get them in ANY country?

Hmmmm?

Actually, I suspect that percentage of people needing transplants is a tiny percentage of the population to begin with. But the left wants the tail to wag the dog.

[KIMBER45]

Yep that's the major of 98.6% of college grads? Tell us,since your so maketable, what exactly is your profession? It may help someone .

I'm pretty sure you already know, since you jump in on so many threads that your libby pals are in and it has been discussed in some of them. Regardless, my profession is not germaine to the subject matter, what is germaine is that if you make poor choices, you have no one too blame but yourself.

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[Cuts Crooked]

Yup, very funny when a "English Teacher" resorts to cut & paste from an incomplete source

[KIMBER45]

Yup, very funny when a "English Teacher" resorts to cut & paste from an incomplete source

Nice try, but you were wrong. 
 
 

[Cuts Crooked]

Ok, bets anyone? What percentage of all Americans are currently awaiting transplants?

[LabRat2k3]

 May I add that it is government funded healthcare that has driven up the cost of healthcare more than anything? Anyone hear of Medicare? Medicare typically reimburses a hospital $0.40 to $0.20 for every dollar the hospital bills them for. The hospitals know this and so if they need $500 to cover the operating cost for a procedure then they will charge $2500 so that they end up with their $500 when all is said and done. That is if Medicare deems the test as necessary, if not the hospital just did the work for free. So if the doctor orders a test and Medicare thinks it's not needed you don't get payed, but if you don't order the test and miss a underlying condition the patient had the hospital is open to a malpractice suit. Yes the government has already done a lot to improve healthcare. It is illegal for the hospital to charge a different price for Medicare patients than it does for private insurance or self pay patients so everyone gets to pay $2500 for a $500 dollar procedure. That is why if you go to the hospital and set up a payment plan most often they will give you a large discount on your bill. So if you work and pay into Medicare you get to cover the cost before you get your net pay and you also get to pick up higher prices when you yourself go to the hospital. Nothing like getting it on both ends from the government!

[Cuts Crooked]

Hard to find, but wiki says that in 2000 the number was 79 people per million. Don't know how accurate that is but it doesn't sound too far off my guesstimate. It would seem to be a fairly substantial amount of "dog wagging" at the time.

Interestingly enuff......China was at 13000 per year in 2004. Given China's population, that would probably be a pretty insignificant percentage. And even more interestingly that number would include one third of all Israeli transplants which are done in China due to religious prohibitions of the Jewish faith