mosin nagant accuracy

[triggermortis]

howdy,
      everyone seems to be having great luck with accuracy from their mosin nagant 7.62X54's except me.  several of us here bought rifles from the same batch, and all the guys report great accuracy with the surplus ammo.

     mine shoots a foot high at 75 yards, and does not group well at all.  i can work on the grouping, but my sights are adjusted as far as they'll go, and i can't hit a big target unless i aim for the bottom of it.  anyone got a remedy for this?  

t. mortis, (48 weeks to go till retirement)

[1911crazy]

howdy,
      everyone seems to be having great luck with accuracy from their mosin nagant 7.62X54's except me.  several of us here bought rifles from the same batch, and all the guys report great accuracy with the surplus ammo.

     mine shoots a foot high at 75 yards, and does not group well at all.  i can work on the grouping, but my sights are adjusted as far as they'll go, and i can't hit a big target unless i aim for the bottom of it.  anyone got a remedy for this?  

t. mortis, (48 weeks to go till retirement)

My question is are you benchresting it??  Most of surplups are sighted in for longer distance like 200yd to 300yd zero's to start with.  This is what got me into changing the front sight blades on my swede's to zero them in at 100yds.  using a taller front sight blade would bring it down but I would zero it at  100yds.  And before you touch anything I would try another ammo like wolf or barnaul brand and see what it does.   And how tight are your stock screws.                                               BigBill

This is funny in a way my older brothers '06 was 10" off to the left at 100yds and he never told me he would just shoot 10" to the right and shoot bulls all day long.  That was with my reloads so every bullet was exactly the same.  When I reloaded I weighed all the bullets too make sure everyone was the same.

[savageT]

triggermortis,

I read once where you can add height to your front sight by making a form out of aluminum beercan foil and adding epoxy resin to the top of the existing sight.  Then you file and dress it up to shoot at 100 yds. point-of-aim.  Nice thing about it is you can always return it to original condition.  Other option is to get a set of Mojo sights for your Mosin.  I have them on my Swedish Mauser.

Jim

[Robert357]

Dear triggermortis;

I have an MN1895/30 that shot way high.  I found a solution in the following post

http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9527

The solution cost me less than 25 cents and half an hour of time.

I put a small roll pin on top of the stock factory sight.  The roll pin was even a blued metal.  Then I took the rear sight off with a punch and hand lapped the bottom of the sight to take off a little metal from the rear sight.  I used a "bluing pen" to protect the metal. Then put everthing back together.  That brought the POI down and closer to the POA.  Now my MN shoots dead on in the black at 100 yards on an NRA target with a 6:00 o'clock POA hold.

I would point out that some MN's have been sighted in with their bayonets in place/extended by the Russian arsenal and that most of us either remove or never extend the bayonets, depending on the model of the MN when we shoot them at ranges.

[Mikey]

triggermortis:  My brother picked up a Polish made M44 that wouldn't group for beans (or anything else for that matter).  The first thing we did was to completely remove the bayonet assembly - since this was to be used for an inexepnsive, knock-around field piece and he was not collecting those rifles, it was no loss.  The bayonet lug and front sight assembly are one piece, so a bit of careful hacksaw and dremel use will remove enough metal to dress the bayonet lug right up and minimize its effect on accuracy.  The suggestions for changing the sights, that is, adding some to the front and taking some off the rear sight are right on, and may be just what you need to do to bring the rifle to poi at poa.

Then, of course, we had to use decent ammo.  The milsurp stuff is just that - milsurp and not anything close to American ammo quality specs.  Following that, a quick bedding job closed up his groups to the point where he had a fine shootin' field piece good enough for anything he would hunt on this continent.  HTH.  Mikey.

[simonkenton]

Triggermortis--What model Mosin Nagant are you shooting?

[Robert357]

I was at the range today testing out some cast bullet load in my MN1891/30.  I have adjusted the front sight higher with a roll pin and hand lapped a bit of metal off the bottom of the rear sight so that using a 6:00 o'clock hold on an NRA target factor and handloads are right in the black.

I guy had just taken his MN Model 38 combination carbine/flame thrower out to the range for the first time.  He had not shot it before.   I showed him how to assemble the cleaning kit on it.  After he fired it twice, he complained that it shot several inches high and how do you get it zeroed in.

I took the bolt out of mine for safety and showed him the roll pin and how I had taken a bit of metal off the bottom of the rear sight to zero mine in.  

He thought that sounded like a solid approach.

I am wondering if most of them shoot high or what.