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Obesity and health costs.
« on: May 07, 2012, 10:26:59 AM »
We are all concerned about the sky rocketing cost of health care and it's burden on both our health and wallets. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/weightloss/2009-11-17-future-obesity-costs_N.htm . Are you part of the problem ?
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2012, 10:45:26 AM »
When someone else is paying for your health care, where is the incentive to pay attention to how wide your backside gets.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2012, 10:52:17 AM »
My wife and I, have not had heath care for over 10 years now. I'm 50 she's 52, we are both over weight, and have no heath issues. Your welcome for our contribution. ;D  We don't drink, smoke, or have any other bad habits, but that probably doesn't contribute to health care costs anyway. ;D

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2012, 11:11:58 AM »
Obisity will not matter until.....
There are no long rich people to pay for the health care.
At that point anyone 30 pounds or more over weight or with a certain body fat index will be excluded from Obama Care.  And the Marx pay scale will be decreased as you will not need as much.

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2012, 11:27:35 AM »
Obisity will not matter until.....
There are no long rich people to pay for the health care.
At that point anyone 30 pounds or more over weight or with a certain body fat index will be excluded from Obama Care.  And the Marx pay scale will be decreased as you will not need as much.
What committee are you on that privies you to this insider information?
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2012, 11:39:10 AM »
Obisity will not matter until.....
There are no long rich people to pay for the health care.
At that point anyone 30 pounds or more over weight or with a certain body fat index will be excluded from Obama Care.  And the Marx pay scale will be decreased as you will not need as much.
What committee are you on that privies you to this insider information?
I simply look at the Obama Plan.
Read Comrad Obamas books.  He wants soviet style communism here in the US.
He is doing what he can to drive out the middle class, to demonize the rich and certain sectors of our economy. 
Typical.  Segragate a group demonize them, make them the scape goat, and then eliminate them.  Has worked in 1917 in Russia, worked in 1803 in France, worked in 1937 in Germany.
Right now it is the sick or soon to be sick vs. the Rich and healthy.
Once everyone is on the PLAN and we no longer have choices it will be the ones that cost the most will be driven out, or care will be delayed, or rationed.  Listen to Obama was he talked about the plan he said it was designed to eliminate all Private insurance and care with in 10 years.  All Private insurance and CARE, meaniong only public hospitals, all doctors and nurses will be GOVERNMENT employees.
Look at socialized medicine all over the world, rutine opperations we have here have people dying waiting for care in Canada or suffering through needless amounts of time.

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2012, 11:48:50 AM »
Obisity will not matter until.....
There are no long rich people to pay for the health care.
At that point anyone 30 pounds or more over weight or with a certain body fat index will be excluded from Obama Care.  And the Marx pay scale will be decreased as you will not need as much.
What committee are you on that privies you to this insider information?
I simply look at the Obama Plan.
Read Comrad Obamas books.  He wants soviet style communism here in the US.
He is doing what he can to drive out the middle class, to demonize the rich and certain sectors of our economy. 
Typical.  Segragate a group demonize them, make them the scape goat, and then eliminate them.  Has worked in 1917 in Russia, worked in 1803 in France, worked in 1937 in Germany.
Right now it is the sick or soon to be sick vs. the Rich and healthy.
Once everyone is on the PLAN and we no longer have choices it will be the ones that cost the most will be driven out, or care will be delayed, or rationed.  Listen to Obama was he talked about the plan he said it was designed to eliminate all Private insurance and care with in 10 years.  All Private insurance and CARE, meaniong only public hospitals, all doctors and nurses will be GOVERNMENT employees.
Look at socialized medicine all over the world, rutine opperations we have here have people dying waiting for care in Canada or suffering through needless amounts of time.
u said-Segragate a group demonize them, make them the scape goat, and then eliminate them. That is exactly what each party is doing to the other instead to trying to work together.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 11:50:32 AM »
Also look at the 1st lady she is already starting her war on Obiesity and on sugar.
Clearly I remember as a kid my mother was home and Dad worked.
While she was home we, all the kids in the neighbor hood were kicked out of the house to go play.  There was no sitting at home watching TV or playing computer games (that was for a rainy day)
we were out playing Baseball, Lacrosse, Foot ball, riding bikes, and building forts.
Now that the taxes are so high, that thecosts of things has risen and more than one parent has to work (not to mention the single parents) two people have to work and the kids are told to stay in the house.  no bikes, no running, no swimming, building, or what ever.  Lumps on the couch eating watching TV or playing Video games.
Once we have Comrad Obamas Plan in place school hours will be extended to work hours and all will be alright.  The School will feed the kids, breakfast, lunch and a snack.  All government approved and indoctranated.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 12:02:00 PM »
Obisity will not matter until.....
There are no long rich people to pay for the health care.
At that point anyone 30 pounds or more over weight or with a certain body fat index will be excluded from Obama Care.  And the Marx pay scale will be decreased as you will not need as much.
What committee are you on that privies you to this insider information?
I simply look at the Obama Plan.
Read Comrad Obamas books.  He wants soviet style communism here in the US.
He is doing what he can to drive out the middle class, to demonize the rich and certain sectors of our economy. 
Typical.  Segragate a group demonize them, make them the scape goat, and then eliminate them.  Has worked in 1917 in Russia, worked in 1803 in France, worked in 1937 in Germany.
Right now it is the sick or soon to be sick vs. the Rich and healthy.
Once everyone is on the PLAN and we no longer have choices it will be the ones that cost the most will be driven out, or care will be delayed, or rationed.  Listen to Obama was he talked about the plan he said it was designed to eliminate all Private insurance and care with in 10 years.  All Private insurance and CARE, meaniong only public hospitals, all doctors and nurses will be GOVERNMENT employees.
Look at socialized medicine all over the world, rutine opperations we have here have people dying waiting for care in Canada or suffering through needless amounts of time.
u said-Segragate a group demonize them, make them the scape goat, and then eliminate them. That is exactly what each party is doing to the other instead to trying to work together.
We tried to work together way back when.  Any deal the Republicans struck was faced with lies from the left. From Reagans deal with Tip Oneal for a cut in spending of $3 real dollars for ever increased $1 in taxes turned out to be a increase on both ends.  The Republicans worked out a deal with Clinto nadn shook on the deal and Bill came out to announce that the Republicans would not work with him.
How do you work with a groups that wants to end all private property and has been doing it one inch at a time.  there is a point o meet in the middle and if neither is happy it is probably fair.
But with the left they see things from their prospective.  Picture a football field.
If the 50 yard line is half way and they want to pull you into their endzone they call their 25 yard line half way as you have already met at the 50.  and the 12 yard line is half way again.  then the 6 yard line.   and finally the 3 and we are communist.  it is called incramentalism and the left is great at it. 
The only people I see the right excluding are the Green crazies and the communists/ socialists.
We can look at history and see that communism does not work.  It enslaves people and the force of Capitalism finally beat the Soviet Union, there are a few Communist countries still haging on but they will run out of scape goats and will too fold.
We can look at Socialism of Europe and see that is is failing and that all that was prommised by the left were lies.
And you want us to move more to the Left?
The word Progressive no longer means progress.  It mean one that Progresses the Socialist / Communist Ideas. 
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 01:13:28 PM »
Poor eating habits and lack of exercise for our youth are major contributors. When I was a kid, we were out of the house from 9 til 9 in the summers. Some are worried that our military will be a unit of unfit obese people until they are whipped into shape. Some want to eliminate phys ed from schools. Unfortunately, it's may be the only exercise they get all day. How many of us are obese and why?
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 02:54:28 PM »
Anyone has the right to be fat as long as I, or anyone else doesn't have to pay for their problems caused by being over weight. Over eating is a bad habit, just as smoking or drinking is. I think the number of obese in America is up to around 40%. Many people today have desk jobs instead of calorie burning jobs as in the past.
I think one of the big issues is people go out to restaurants instead of cooking at home anymore. Used to be restaurant parking lots were just crowded on weekends, but now go by any popular restaurant on a week night and you would swear they are giving something away. So these restaurants what you back so they give portions big enough to feed two people. Instead of being bothered taking food home they jam the whole meal down, then go home and go to bed. How many times do you hear people say, "hey did you ever try so and so, they give you a lot of food". People think they are getting a deal so they flock to places that give portions big enough to feed a horse. Restaurants know this, so they give portions big enough to feed a horse, and America keeps getting fatter and fatter.

There is no great science when it comes to losing weight. With the number of diet books on the market you would think America would be skinny. All one needs to do is take in less calories than you burn. Actually its fairly simple. Fat does not suddenly appear on someone for no reason. Fat happens from over eating.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2012, 03:21:25 PM »
Obisity will not matter until.....
There are no long rich people to pay for the health care.
At that point anyone 30 pounds or more over weight or with a certain body fat index will be excluded from Obama Care.  And the Marx pay scale will be decreased as you will not need as much.
What committee are you on that privies you to this insider information?
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  Kimber.. You ought to ask that question of the Democrats who voted for the Obamacare fiasco..  But of course they couldn't give you an answer anyway..  they voted it through ...and didn't even know what's in it !
         Probably STILL don't !!!
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  No I'm not contributing, I'm just a few pounds over...
    What do you reccomend be done about this obesity problem ?  Do you ascribe to 'food police' or checking people's grocery cart ?  What do you have in mind ?
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2012, 04:11:53 PM »
We are all concerned about the sky rocketing cost of health care and it's burden on both our health and wallets. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/weightloss/2009-11-17-future-obesity-costs_N.htm . Are you part of the problem ?

No not part of the problem I pay my own way. These jerks try to make it looks as if anyone with health issues is a burden on society and is driving health care costs up. When in reality it's their crap and the mindless parasites who line up to eat it that drive the costs up more than any other source.

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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2012, 05:41:09 PM »
Obesity is no more a driver of health costs than high cholesterol.  I know, I used to process bills for a hospital.   Both are ailments that are treated on an outpatient basis, usually with the patients just coming in for lipid panels, insulin levels, or other lab testing.   

newspapers run stories like these to get people wound up, kinda like a certain poster's conspiracy theories.

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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2012, 10:52:21 PM »
  I have elevated cholestrol..It doesn't seem to matter if I'm a few pounds over the reccomended scale or right on peg..it doesn't change.  THusfar, at 75 my ticker is still doing good and I have lived longer than I ever expected to.  I am not frightened by heaven..so I'm "good to go". ;)
   My doc had me try statins..twice (I'm a glutton for punishment, I guess)..first time I got very achy, withsore joints; second time it nearly killed me, for the pain and etc.
  There is a real reassessment going on in many minds right now, as to whether cholestrol is the culprit or it is the inflamation of the arteries, which is causing the problem.  This inflamation can be caused by the very drugs administered to combat cholestrol.
  (e.g. http://thecholesterolliereview.com/dr-dwight-lundell/ )
   So often we see on TV how some new drug has been developed to 'clear the skin' for instance; of course it may damage the heart, destroy your liver or give you a stroke..but it sure will "clear your skin". It really appears that the pharmaceutical companies are playing expensive games  with us and so often it appears the cure is more deadly than the cause.
       One thing I believe I can reliably attest to, is the value of exercise.  By now in my retirement, I have had those times when due to confining weather, I have lived a sedentary (inactive) life for several days at a time.  When I have done that, I have come off feeling like garbage..I get back into an exercise routine and I start feeling better within a couple days.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2012, 01:43:17 AM »
Also look at the 1st lady she is already starting her war on Obiesity and on sugar.
Clearly I remember as a kid my mother was home and Dad worked.
While she was home we, all the kids in the neighbor hood were kicked out of the house to go play.  There was no sitting at home watching TV or playing computer games (that was for a rainy day)
we were out playing Baseball, Lacrosse, Foot ball, riding bikes, and building forts.
Now that the taxes are so high, that thecosts of things has risen and more than one parent has to work (not to mention the single parents) two people have to work and the kids are told to stay in the house.  no bikes, no running, no swimming, building, or what ever.  Lumps on the couch eating watching TV or playing Video games.
Once we have Comrad Obamas Plan in place school hours will be extended to work hours and all will be alright.  The School will feed the kids, breakfast, lunch and a snack.  All government approved and indoctranated.
you saved me a lot of typing here...  As a kid I ate like a horse, but breakfast, dinner, and supper was just pit stops during a busy-busy day.  modern kids lay around with a computer or smart phone and burn almost zero calories.  and as IG mentioned, the food police will soon plan our meals.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2012, 02:22:01 AM »
Seems like I remember reading about a guy with a funny moustache that figured out a way to eliminate a lot of health problems known to man by selective breeding. Livestock producers had been doing it for years, so  I guess he thought he could breed a super human race way back in the 30's. I wonder how that all worked out?

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2012, 03:01:59 AM »
Slightly over weight about 10Lbs, have been for 30 years, total cholestrol the day I my heart attacks...144 percentages were about 50/50 ldl/hdl, on simvastatin for 6 years now. Had it checked two weeks ago..........still 144 total with a50/50 split.

My maternal grandfather would eat two eggs, sausage, and real cream in his coffee every morning, fried chicken 4 times a week, loved his pork products and real ice cream. Had his cholesteral checked once........almost three hundred. He was 99 when he died from pnumonia after breaking his hip.
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2012, 05:45:50 AM »
Obisity will not matter until.....
There are no long rich people to pay for the health care.
At that point anyone 30 pounds or more over weight or with a certain body fat index will be excluded from Obama Care.  And the Marx pay scale will be decreased as you will not need as much.
What committee are you on that privies you to this insider information?
I simply look at the Obama Plan.
Read Comrad Obamas books.  He wants soviet style communism here in the US.
He is doing what he can to drive out the middle class, to demonize the rich and certain sectors of our economy. 
Typical.  Segragate a group demonize them, make them the scape goat, and then eliminate them.  Has worked in 1917 in Russia, worked in 1803 in France, worked in 1937 in Germany.
Right now it is the sick or soon to be sick vs. the Rich and healthy.
Once everyone is on the PLAN and we no longer have choices it will be the ones that cost the most will be driven out, or care will be delayed, or rationed.  Listen to Obama was he talked about the plan he said it was designed to eliminate all Private insurance and care with in 10 years.  All Private insurance and CARE, meaniong only public hospitals, all doctors and nurses will be GOVERNMENT employees.
Look at socialized medicine all over the world, rutine opperations we have here have people dying waiting for care in Canada or suffering through needless amounts of time.
u said-Segragate a group demonize them, make them the scape goat, and then eliminate them. That is exactly what each party is doing to the other instead to trying to work together.
We tried to work together way back when.  Any deal the Republicans struck was faced with lies from the left. From Reagans deal with Tip Oneal for a cut in spending of $3 real dollars for ever increased $1 in taxes turned out to be a increase on both ends.  The Republicans worked out a deal with Clinto nadn shook on the deal and Bill came out to announce that the Republicans would not work with him.
How do you work with a groups that wants to end all private property and has been doing it one inch at a time.  there is a point o meet in the middle and if neither is happy it is probably fair.
But with the left they see things from their prospective.  Picture a football field.
If the 50 yard line is half way and they want to pull you into their endzone they call their 25 yard line half way as you have already met at the 50.  and the 12 yard line is half way again.  then the 6 yard line.   and finally the 3 and we are communist.  it is called incramentalism and the left is great at it. 
The only people I see the right excluding are the Green crazies and the communists/ socialists.
We can look at history and see that communism does not work.  It enslaves people and the force of Capitalism finally beat the Soviet Union, there are a few Communist countries still haging on but they will run out of scape goats and will too fold.
We can look at Socialism of Europe and see that is is failing and that all that was prommised by the left were lies.
And you want us to move more to the Left?
The word Progressive no longer means progress.  It mean one that Progresses the Socialist / Communist Ideas.
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Newsflash!!   When we look around at the economic and social landscape in 2012 America...its the opposite of a marxist state....and still going in the opposite direction...Its a Corporatocracy,,,and strange that it appears as a 'marxist' state to you. Never has it been so good in this country to be a wealthy or elite Oligarch...it would have The Founders rolling over in their graves..to see a royal Oligarchy running the whole show again.
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How is more regulation, more laws, less freedom, bigger government, more social programs, more people on food stamps, more kids being fed at school, and people working to feed the state not marksist?

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2012, 07:20:05 AM »
A lot of people get their exercise by jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, and running at the mouth.

I liked TM7s post.  I don't agree with all of it, but it is thoughful and shows some understanding of the ultimate control of the country by corporations and oligarchy.  The words socialist, Marxist, etc. are incorrectly used by watchers of Fox Noise all the time and it is wearing thin.  I watch that channel so I can understand the otherwise unintelligble arguments of lots of my friends.

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2012, 07:41:12 AM »
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How is more regulation, more laws, less freedom, bigger government, more social programs, more people on food stamps, more kids being fed at school, and people working to feed the state not marksist?
. Because it spoon feeds the corporate Oligarchs....corporate welfare at our expense.
How is:
...busting up and villianizing labor organizations
...bailing out too big to fail monopolies
...deregging corps and financial institutions to run roughshod on The People
...instutitonalizing debt culture and placing massive national debt on the backs of the People
...withholding normalized Health Care system from the people
...foreclosing on people's homes and property after predatory lending binge
...agrandisement of wealth and incomes in fewer and fewer hands
...People United-PACs bought and paid for politicians by corps or even foreign concerns.
...perpetual war and security state intrusions
...open free-for-all immigration to displace indigenous labor, and offshoring
...tax breaks and tax indeminification for elite and wealthy
...putting and manufacturing poisoons in the environmnet and food chain
...total control of mass media by 6 corp
...massive theft, fraud, and gaming of the system unfettered--unprosecuted

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and so very much much more...How does that cipher as a People's Social Utopia...? It doesn't --its the opposite. What amazes me is that people like yourself buy into the Punch and Judy show that there's a vast socialistic conspiracy to control their lives,,,and you identify with those people spreading this myth veiling over what is actually the real situation....this is what we call 'identifying with your oppressors"...the owners of the system (who don't care what you call the system-- capitalistic or socialistic..they don't care,,,as long as they run it).  also known as Stockholm Syndrome.
. My suggestion is don't confuse Fascism with socialism, and to consider the neo-Bolshevik idea that monopoly capitalism = state corporatism = capitalistic communism.
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OK your lost or not paying attention.
Corperate welfare is non existant and has been gone since Regan de regulated the Air industries.  OK maybe in the Agracultural relm.   
Coperations pay Trillions in taxes to the government each and every year.  In the form of Sales, income, payroll, and property taxes.  All of those taxes are built into the cost of the goods or services they sell.
If the coperations were in charge, corperate taxes would be non existant or we would have the lowest coperate taxes in the world rather than the highest. 
Now I am not sure what you do for a living but if you had to buy a building and pay for the building and the taxes on the building you would build it along with the wages of the people working for you into the cost of your product.  Other wise you will go out of business. 
Maybe we need to have a basic economic class for you to attend.
The sole purpose of any coperation is to make profit.  Plan and simple.  You are making profit to pay your investors to pay your employees and grow the company, employing more people to generate more profit. 
The Government playing with market forces and the crony capitalism especally of this leftist president that is picking winners and loosers while eliminating wealth simply does not work.
 we never should have bailed out companies that were deemed too big to fail.  the whole idea is that companies will grow and decline as well as die.
 

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2012, 07:41:53 AM »
A lot of people get their exercise by jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, and running at the mouth.

I liked TM7s post.  I don't agree with all of it, but it is thoughful and shows some understanding of the ultimate control of the country by corporations and oligarchy.  The words socialist, Marxist, etc. are incorrectly used by watchers of Fox Noise all the time and it is wearing thin.  I watch that channel so I can understand the otherwise unintelligble arguments of lots of my friends.
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2012, 09:04:40 AM »
kimber45, you keep right on guzzling husseins koolaid.

Mcwoodduck,  that word you used "profit" is a dirty word to a liberal.
I have a little stock (keyword is "little") and when the company makes a profit, I make some too.

but, you can't explain it to a democrat.
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2012, 09:23:22 AM »
A lot of people get their exercise by jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, and running at the mouth.

I liked TM7s post.  I don't agree with all of it, but it is thoughful and shows some understanding of the ultimate control of the country by corporations and oligarchy.  The words socialist, Marxist, etc. are incorrectly used by watchers of Fox Noise all the time and it is wearing thin.  I watch that channel so I can understand the otherwise unintelligble arguments of lots of my friends.
And the lies and falsehoods spread by CNN, MSNBC, Current TV, The NY Times are some where close to fanticy that it could be in the Sci Fi channel, except it is too unbelieveable.  At least Fox that is a little too politicaly correct to call the liers liers and point out why tries to be ballanced with a wacko leftist and a thinking person.
You really can not look at the lefts policies and see how they are counter to every economic therory and not shout unless you are either in the bag for them or are completly un educated in Economics and politcs. (the public school system at it's best)  Making mindless drones that think the left  will give them everything while taking everything from them.
During the Clinton years at least CNN had a modest part in the truth.  They would tell you Clinton lied but show you the mastery of the lie and how most would believe it.  Now when Obama says something that is a lie they report it as fact.  Provda (the soviet news paper- State controlled) would be ashamed at the shotty reporting.

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2012, 09:35:44 AM »
trouble with health care is it went from a way to cover big ticket items to covering everything. It then became big business and cost were elevated to insure all had to have it. What other industry covers both sides in an arrangement ( doctors and paitents pay ) . With Obama care they insure themselves getting paid . Its not about health care its about profit and botton line.
now being fat ! if govt can control what you eat along with what medicine you can need/have they control you ,
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2012, 10:03:26 AM »
kimber45, you keep right on guzzling husseins koolaid.

Mcwoodduck,  that word you used "profit" is a dirty word to a liberal.
I have a little stock (keyword is "little") and when the company makes a profit, I make some too.

but, you can't explain it to a democrat.
You crack me up. ;D We'll at least it's low calorie koolaid. :)
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2012, 10:37:31 AM »
The NC state employee health plan was poised to give smokers a higher deductible in about 2009 and the following year overweight people were going to have a higher deductible.  The new legislature overturned the decision midway through the process.  I have a friend who stopped smoking and his wife lost about 80 lbs.  He now smokes again and she put the weight right back on.
 
The idea would have worked.  Other insurance groups are doing it.

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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2012, 10:55:52 AM »
Bug- you and several others make reference to drinking koolaid for several different topics. The questionI have is- Is it all the same Koolaid or are there different types ? :D
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2012, 11:01:30 AM »
 
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The NC state employee health plan was poised to give smokers a higher deductible in about 2009 and the following year overweight people were going to have a higher deductible.  The new legislature overturned the decision midway through the process.  I have a friend who stopped smoking and his wife lost about 80 lbs.  He now smokes again and she put the weight right back on.
 
The idea would have worked.  Other insurance groups are doing it.
       And, where will that stop?  How about raising the deductible if you get a speeding ticket?  Driving too fast certainly carries some risk.  What if your parents (or grandparents) had cancer?  That certainly raises the risk to the insurance companies.  What if you eat white bread instead of whole wheat?  What if you're homosexual?  Certainly some risk there.  What if you have a desk job instead of something where physical labor is required?  Heart attack waiting to happen?  The purpose of insurance is to spread the risk among a large pool of people so that no one person is unduly burdened.  Just saying.
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2012, 12:00:57 PM »
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The NC state employee health plan was poised to give smokers a higher deductible in about 2009 and the following year overweight people were going to have a higher deductible.  The new legislature overturned the decision midway through the process.  I have a friend who stopped smoking and his wife lost about 80 lbs.  He now smokes again and she put the weight right back on.
 
The idea would have worked.  Other insurance groups are doing it.
       And, where will that stop?  How about raising the deductible if you get a speeding ticket?  Driving too fast certainly carries some risk.  What if your parents (or grandparents) had cancer?  That certainly raises the risk to the insurance companies.  What if you eat white bread instead of whole wheat?  What if you're homosexual?  Certainly some risk there.  What if you have a desk job instead of something where physical labor is required?  Heart attack waiting to happen?  The purpose of insurance is to spread the risk among a large pool of people so that no one person is unduly burdened.  Just saying.
Your speeding example works as it is a risk that you made.  Your auto insurance goes up or down based on your driving habbits.  Speed, run a red light or get a DUI and your rates go up based on the rish the insurance company is taking on you.  Why would your health habbits not be taken into effect into the cost of your health care? 
I understand your reaction to being told that you are being singled out if you smoke or if you are carrying a few extra pounds.
While I am not convinced about the Smoking as any death that is heart, lungs, or stoke related gets put down as a smoking death, even if you have never smoked a day in your life.  That false data tends to skew the results.   But it is a bench mark like your speeding tickets.  Going 10 miles an hour over in a 60s a big difference than going 10 miles an hour over in a 30.  both get you the same increase.
Now what we have as a problem is people no longer want a basic coverage or an accident coverage for their health care.  Everyone wants every visit covered and all medicine covered.  Think about that in terms of car insurance, Ho much would your car insurance be if it included every oil change, every tire, and every wash?  You would no longer take care of your car.  Eat a burger toss the trach in the back seat the wash will clean it.  oil change every 5K, heck no someone else is paying for it so every 2,500miles. I want to be ahead of the 3K. and I get the car washed every other day rain or shine because someone else is paying for it.  And why are the lines so long for the oil, tires, and car washes?  they never used to be this long back before insurance started paying for it.