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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2012, 07:54:11 AM »
Martin didn,t jump Zimmerman, Zimmerman was stalking Martin and was told by the cops to back off , get the facts straight for once at least.

Hmmm! Seems to be that news reported that Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle when Martin jumped him! This was after the dispatcher told Zimmerman that he didn`t need to be following Martin.
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2012, 08:05:01 AM »
Quote from Powderman:
"Nobody here advocates that. Z defended himself, the punk jumped the wrong guy. POWDERMAN."


At this point since none of us really knows what came down that day or that none of us have been privy to all the possible evidence. Martin is no more a punk than Zimmerman is a murdering racist. Just because Martin was black and wearing a Hoodie.............
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2012, 08:31:03 AM »
I read a report that Zimmerman was in his car when the dispatcher told him to back off.

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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2012, 09:11:14 AM »
I read a report that Zimmerman was in his car when the dispatcher told him to back off.

A link to that report please?
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2012, 09:55:36 AM »
I read a report that Zimmerman was in his car when the dispatcher told him to back off.

A link to that report please?
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2012, 10:12:40 AM »
Found this so far from WIKI:
 Prosecution's account of events According to the information alleged in the affidavit of probable cause, provided by investigators working for the State Attorney's office, and a source to the Orland Sentinel, the prosecution described what they say took place:[170] [171] [172] [173] [174][175][176]
Martin was walking back from a nearby 7-11 store and was on his way to the townhouse where he was temporarily living when he was profiled by Zimmerman.[172][173][175] Zimmerman was driving in his vehicle when he observed Martin and assumed he was a criminal.[172][175] Feeling that Martin did not belong in the gated-community where Zimmerman lived, he called the police to report Martin's behavior as suspicious.[172][176] While on the phone with the police dispatcher, describing Martin's behavior, Zimmerman had told investigators that Martin was circling his vehicle, and he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation.[176] The dispatcher told Zimmerman an officer was on the way and to wait for him.[172][170] In his call to the police, Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had gotten away with break-ins in the neighborhood, and while talking about Martin, stated "these assholes, they always get away" and also said "these (censored word) punks".[172][174][175]
During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening.[172][173][174] She said that Martin was scared because he was being followed by an unknown male and didn't know why.[172][174] Martin attempted to run home, while Zimmerman exited his vehicle and started to follow Martin.[174][171] When the dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and told him an officer would meet him. Zimmerman disregarded the dispatcher's instruction and continued to follow Martin.[172][173] Investigators stated that Zimmerman then confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.[172][173][171]
Witnesses heard people arguing and what sounded like a struggle and heard calls for help which were recorded in the 9-1-1 calls to police.[172][175] Martin's mother reviewed the 9-1-1 calls and identified the voice crying for help as her son's.[172][175][177] When police arrived at the scene, Zimmerman admitted to shooting Martin in the chest.[172] An assistant medical examiner conducted an autopsy and determined that Martin had died from the gunshot.[172][175][Note 5]

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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2012, 10:19:11 AM »
That sounds like a case of man slaughter in the making
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2012, 10:56:12 AM »
Found this so far from WIKI:
 Prosecution's account of events According to the information alleged in the affidavit of probable cause, provided by investigators working for the State Attorney's office, and a source to the Orland Sentinel, the prosecution described what they say took place:[170] [171] [172] [173] [174][175][176]
Martin was walking back from a nearby 7-11 store and was on his way to the townhouse where he was temporarily living when he was profiled by Zimmerman.[172][173][175] Zimmerman was driving in his vehicle when he observed Martin and assumed he was a criminal.[172][175] Feeling that Martin did not belong in the gated-community where Zimmerman lived, he called the police to report Martin's behavior as suspicious.[172][176] While on the phone with the police dispatcher, describing Martin's behavior, Zimmerman had told investigators that Martin was circling his vehicle, and he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation.[176] The dispatcher told Zimmerman an officer was on the way and to wait for him.[172][170] In his call to the police, Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had gotten away with break-ins in the neighborhood, and while talking about Martin, stated "these assholes, they always get away" and also said "these (censored word) punks".[172][174][175]
During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening.[172][173][174] She said that Martin was scared because he was being followed by an unknown male and didn't know why.[172][174] Martin attempted to run home, while Zimmerman exited his vehicle and started to follow Martin.[174][171] When the dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and told him an officer would meet him. Zimmerman disregarded the dispatcher's instruction and continued to follow Martin.[172][173] Investigators stated that Zimmerman then confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.[172][173][171]
Witnesses heard people arguing and what sounded like a struggle and heard calls for help which were recorded in the 9-1-1 calls to police.[172][175] Martin's mother reviewed the 9-1-1 calls and identified the voice crying for help as her son's.[172][175][177] When police arrived at the scene, Zimmerman admitted to shooting Martin in the chest.[172] An assistant medical examiner conducted an autopsy and determined that Martin had died from the gunshot.[172][175][Note 5]
It sounds like a one sided statement from the prosicution. Profiled baby martin ? If it looks like a duck. I say Zimmerman probably saved alot of people from being victomized by the little prick.

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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2012, 05:20:43 AM »
Zimmerman didn't see Martin do any crime but still stalked him, thats a crime. Zimmerman is just a wanted be cop that
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2012, 05:23:29 AM »
Was stalking one of the charges against Zimmerman?

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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2012, 07:12:57 AM »
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Martin is no more a punk than Zimmerman is a murdering racist. Just because Martin was black and wearing a Hoodie.............
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And dealing dope in school, 2nd suspension for the same thing. There, I finished the sentence for you. Yes, punks deal drugs in school. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2012, 07:53:08 AM »
Quotes from Powderman from another thread:
"I judge no man. Theres a huge difference in judging and pointing out sin."


"And dealing dope in school, 2nd suspension for the same thing. There, I finished the sentence for you. Yes, punks deal drugs in school. POWDERMAN."


Sure appears that you are judging here.
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2012, 08:25:57 AM »
Was stalking one of the charges against Zimmerman?
you can bet they will pull out all the stops to pin something on him now ........
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2012, 11:07:58 AM »
They have been pulling out all the stops since MSNBC and NBC edited the tapes and falsely reported a hate crime where none existed.  They created this mess, and made sure Zimmerman was convicted in the court of public opinion, to boost their ratings.  The news media like the judicial system is both sick and broken.
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2012, 11:34:51 AM »
The Trayvon Martin case has been so twisted and convoluted, we will not know what truly happened until the court records and trial transcripts become available for FOIA requests, or if in Florida, the "sunshine laws" request.

Raptor, there is no such thing as a "citizen's arrest".     A citizen has no statutory authority to arrest another citizen or non-citizen; a private citizen can only detain another person until the arrival of legal authorities.      You told another poster on this thread to get the facts straight; I now make the same request to you.

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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2012, 11:36:56 AM »
To paraphrase P Zarzyski "talk comes cheap from a padded barstool."  Anyone that thinks they are justified in killing another human being "because they are perceived to be a threat" is loony.  Good luck in prison.  Before I pull the trigger I want to know it it a threat.
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Re: Dims want to make self defense illegal.
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2012, 02:24:55 AM »
the autopsy record of TM also shows that he had scuffed and bruised knuckles,  consistent with punching someone with a lot of force.   
 
I predicted in another thread that GZ will be hounded by the Feds bringing HateCrime/Civil Rights charges.    Isn't it ironic, that when the records start being released showing that GZ was attacked as he has claimed,   that suddenly the FBI opens thier own investigation into the "HateCrime".   
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« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2012, 02:34:46 AM »
the autopsy record of TM also shows that he had scuffed and bruised knuckles,  consistent with punching someone with a lot of force.   
 
I predicted in another thread that GZ will be hounded by the Feds bringing HateCrime/Civil Rights charges.    Isn't it ironic, that when the records start being released showing that GZ was attacked as he has claimed,   that suddenly the FBI opens thier own investigation into the "HateCrime".

well we certinaly can't waste a crisis now can we ?  ::) ::) >:(
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