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Offline Conan The Librarian

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Re: Fighter pilots speak out on F22.
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2012, 02:21:14 AM »
Sounds like whining to me. Compare this with
1) ww1 biplanes,
2) the first ww2 fighters
3) the first warfare jets

This thing can't be more dangerous than any of those.

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Re: Fighter pilots speak out on F22.
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2012, 02:55:56 AM »
First I am shocked I tell ya, shocked! That Powderman would post and give any credence to an ABC (aka. liberal media) report. Second I have read in other places about this problem. Yes, there probably is some sort of problem as this is a brand new plane design and is bound to have some teething problems. The P-38 killed 13 test pilots before it went into service. Many pilots were scared to fly the B-26, one of the most successful medium bombers of the WWII era until they received some extra training and Jackie Cockran did a multi base tour with one to demonstrate that even a woman (shocking) could safely fly the thing. Time will tell, hopefully can be worked out.
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Re: Fighter pilots speak out on F22.
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2012, 08:08:50 AM »
Seems some of the wrong people were chosen for this assignment.  Shouldn't take long to cull them.  Sounds like some of these guys could do with some stick time in a J3 or T-craft with a bad mag to get them back to basics.  Of course most couldn't light the burner on one to start with.

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Re: Fighter pilots speak out on F22.
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2012, 08:18:46 AM »
Seems some of the wrong people were chosen for this assignment.  Shouldn't take long to cull them. 

Yup! The ones that can't breath when the O2 system shuts down! Git rid of that bunch! :o
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Re: Fighter pilots speak out on F22.
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2012, 08:22:07 AM »
Seems some of the wrong people were chosen for this assignment.  Shouldn't take long to cull them. 

Yup! The ones that can't breath when the O2 system shuts down! Git rid of that bunch! :o

Yeah I was thinking that myself. Blame a crash on pilot error because the pilot was too preoccupied with not being to breath to maintain control of the aircraft. Breathing is highly overrated and is for a bunch of pansies!
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Re: Fighter pilots speak out on F22.
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2012, 09:08:12 AM »
My question is why are these pilots going to 60 minutes? For one thing, they'll be probably be fired and they may never work in commercial aviation as a result. That means the substantial reward of having their prerequisites for high paying aviation jobs as, say, 747 captains, will be lost. Second, when there are problems during a flight and the pilot reports it, doesn't anybody listen? One would think so considering the cost of these machines and the high cost of training pilots that can fly them.
 
I know the f22 is a political hot potato because it's generally regarded as needlessly complex and expensive for today's fighter plane needs. How much does politics have to do with this?
 
I have a hard time understanding how they could legitimately be allowed to get as expensive as they are. The value per dollar seems very very low.
 
Finally, have the pilots gotten out of touch with the risks of their jobs? They are, after all, working in very complex machines, of which only a few have been made, so there are bound to be bugs.
 
Cost per unit ranges between 200 million per plane and 350 million dollars per plane, depending on how you calculate it. This includes development costs for the approximately 180 planes that have been produced. Pretty pricey for what John McCain calls "a plane without a mission". Lockheed says that the best weapon is the one that is never used. Total cost of the program was about $80 billiion, which, to me, may not be excessive if a lot of value is derived from the project. It appears that the value is the most questionable aspect of this plane.
 
My take on it is that this may just be an expensive way of upgrading plane technology, and that the technology will essentially be given for free to our potential enemies by the next president with sensibilities like Clinton, who gave away so much submarine technology.

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Re: Fighter pilots speak out on F22.
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2012, 10:11:54 AM »
 
Finally, have the pilots gotten out of touch with the risks of their jobs? They are, after all, working in very complex machines, of which only a few have been made, so there are bound to be bugs.
 


 
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