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Offline beng

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Carcano 6.5 X 52 rifle
« on: May 18, 2012, 01:08:50 PM »
I just required a 6.5 X 52 Carano Rifle. (1940)   Why?????  It's old and military and I do not have one.  most of all, the history about JFK.    Does anyone know where I may get a manual on this rifle?  I know it is feed by a 6 round integral magazine, loaded with an "en-blac" clip.  OK, How do you get them?   Also the magazine has an open area at the bottom of about  1.5" X.5" (looks like a .22 mag. would go into.)   Am I missing something?   A friend of mine passed on and I got it from his family.  They said he has had this rifle way before JFK.  Every thing looks good and ready to fire other than the magazine thing.   (I will have it checked over by a gunsmith)    Thanks for your time    beng
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Re: Carcano 6.5 X 52 rifle
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2012, 04:18:34 PM »
The carcano has controled round feeding and the feed clips have to be in good condition, Mine were 1938 dated and made of steel (only had 2) and almost new.
they come in steel and brass, (I have no experence with the brass so cannot recomend one over another)
Hope they never cut the barrel back as the barrels have progressive rifling (starts out almost straight grooves and gradual rifling about 2/3's the way down the barrel, All the final rifling stabilizes the propritary carcano 6.5 (.268") before it exits the barrel, when you cut 3" off a carcano you reduce the rifling spin that is supposed to stabilize the bullet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5%C3%9752mm_Mannlicher-Carcano
6.5×50mm Arisaka uses a .2640"
6.5×55mm Swede Mauser .264"
 
So if you cut the barrel back to a sporty length and use the much more plentiful 6.5 Swede Mauser (.264) bullets in your .268 barrel, you will have some accuracy issues and you will curse it as a lousey piece of junk.
load to recomended pressures and have fun, if you want to go faster buy firearm with a faster cartridge like the 6mm Remington or the .22-250.
 
 
Performance
The 6.5×52 Carcano is an effective deer cartridge up to 200 m (220 yards), with properly-bulleted ammunition. Its main drawback in military use was that the standard Italian service round had a round-nosed bullet and was highly stable (did not usually tumble unless it hit bone), giving many narrow-channel straight-through wounds.
 This characteristic is due to the high sectional density of the round (the extreme bullet length compared to its diameter).
Hand loaders should note that the currently available factory ammunition may lack accuracy due to use of a 6.7 mm (.264 in) bullet instead of the 6.8 (.268 in) as originally loaded
Hornaday makes .268" bullets for this cartridge.
The sights weren't designed to be used like we normally assume. They were designed for only the tip of the front blade to be showing in the rear notch. I beleve the M91/38 sights were zero'd at 200 meters.
 
http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/29270-carcano-sights.html
 
 
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=2126.0;wap2
http://bobshellsblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/other-carcano.html
 
Italian Military Carcano Stripper Clip Set of 3 STEEL
Italian Military Carcano Stripper Clip Set of 3 STEEL
Price $21.00
Italian Military Carcano Stripper Clip Set of 3 BRASS
Italian Military Carcano Stripper Clip Set of 3 BRASS
Price $23.00
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewcategories.asp?idCategory=43

 
 
 
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http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=1573
   
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Stripper Clip, 6.5 / 7.35, 6 Shot, Original
$9.25
 
 
 
Bob's Gun Shop
http://www.gun-parts.com/index.html/
Carcano Rifle.......Stripper Clip.6.5........$15
Carcano Rifle.......Stripper Clip 7.35......$15
 
 
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?264940-Carcano-Clips-How-Scarce-Are-They-Steel-or-Brass-Value

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Re: Carcano 6.5 X 52 rifle
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 04:15:08 PM »
The 1.5x.5 hole.....correct me if I'm wrong, but an empty enbloc clip would drop thru the hole when loading a new one.

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Re: Carcano 6.5 X 52 rifle
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 04:20:06 AM »
The empty magazine should drop out as soon as you chamber the last round. The rounds are what holds it in place.
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Re: Carcano 6.5 X 52 rifle
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 01:46:29 AM »
Beng:  the empty hole/slot on the bottom of the magazine area is for the en-bloc clips to fall through after the last round has been stripped from it/them and chambered. 

I owned two back in the day, and worked for a Warren Commission sub-contractor while testing the imported Carcanos for accuracy to prove that Oswald or Oswalds rifle was capable of hitting and killing Kennedy at the distance he was shot, which was about 60m.  It was a easy shot even with open sights.  We tested about every configuration of Mannlicher Carcano we could lay our hands on from distribution houses:  The long barrelled 1891s (??) were very accurate if they had not been shot out. 
The Carcano uses/used a 'gain twist' rifling system, like cannons and artillery pieces, and that is/was very accurate system.  The Italians developed the M38 which was a shortened version of the 91.  Some were made in Turin at one plant and some in the Beretta plant, I believe.  Some M38s were made, and I believe those made early on during/for the war years (1937-44)were made properly with either new barrels or properly shortened barrels, which I think is shortened from the breech end, not the muzzle end but toward the end of the war as manufacturing began to suffer, some barrels were simply shortened without regard to accuracy.  As Rex said, if you cut the barrel back, from the muzzle, you wind up with a piece of junk as it is the gain twist in the last 6" or so of the barrel that gives the heavier bullet its accuracy.  When shortened from the breech or chamber area and rechambered, the gain twist was retained and the bore kept closer to the .264 of other (Japanese, Swede, Norwegian) 6.5mm bores.
Those M38s with properly shortened barrels were both accuate and handy.  The 6.5x52mm Mannlicher Carcano round is nobody's wuzzy and is effective way beyond 200 yds.  I used one extensively to cull herds in Colorado in the mid-60s.  I also found that my accuracy using the Hornady .264 daimeter bullet was excellent and I quickly became sold on the capability of the 6.5mm bore, especially with heavy (160) gn slugs.  I found I needed to go to a heavier caliber only if I was likely to encounter bear. 

I like my 6.5s.  I like my 6.5 Swede and use it quite a bit but that is only because I have not yet obtained a 260 Rem.  When the 260 came out I thought it appropriate that we finally upgraded the 6.5mm bore.  I think a 260 or a 6.5 Creedmoor would make the perfect mountain rifle or scout rifle.  jmtcw.