Ruger M77/357

[curman4]

anyone have experience with this rifle?

[Deerhunter#1]

I just was thinking of them and walk into my gun shop and they had it. man did it feel good and shoulder well but at 650  for a synthetic stock rifle is a bit much for me. I was thinking maybee it could be loaded with longer col for extra powder but has a rotory magazine. If i decide to get one I think it will be the 44 mag.

[R.W.Dale]

I had one of the 44's and really liked it. I only traded it off because I had a chance on a too good to pass up trade.

Ironically I wantet a 357 but only the 44 was out at the time. A month later ruger announced the 357

[Dee]

I can detonate 357 magnum, and 38 special a lot cheaper than $650.00. It seems Mr. Ruger has lost his way, and forgot the roots of his start.

[R.W.Dale]

I can detonate 357 magnum, and 38 special a lot cheaper than $650.00. It seems Mr. Ruger has lost his way, and forgot the roots of his start.

But not in a new repeating American made long gun you can't.

$650 is a bit high retail the guns can be bought for $550 new all day long if you can find a distributor who has em in stock.

As to the overall price $600 ish TODAY for an American made bolt action rifle with sights, scope mounts and detachable  mags is actually kind of cheap.

 Its not 1998 anymore. Sks'es are $300 guns and a gp100 will set you back just as much as the 77/357

[gunnut69]

Sadly that Mr/ Ruger is no longer on the management team...or even with us..

[Dee]

Once the founder leaves the scene things usually change. Walmart is yet another example.

[mannyrock]

 
     Problem is, that there were several reviews of this rifle in .357 in the major gun mags.  Using factory ammo, about the best they could do was 2.5 to 3 inch groups with a scope at 100 yards, using a bench.
 
   Sorry, but I can 't see spending $600 plus on a bolt action rifle that is that sloppy.  Most Marlin levers in .357 will easily group better than that right out of the box if scoped.
 
Best, Mannyrock

[R.W.Dale]

     Problem is, that there were several reviews of this rifle in .357 in the major gun mags.  Using factory ammo, about the best they could do was 2.5 to 3 inch groups with a scope at 100 yards, using a bench.
 
   Sorry, but I can 't see spending $600 plus on a bolt action rifle that is that sloppy.  Most Marlin levers in .357 will easily group better than that right out of the box if scoped.
 
Best, Mannyrock

Would that be one of the new remlins that out of the box might or might not function and or shoot 10' to the right.

I've done A LOT of 100 yard shooting with pistol caliber carbines in various calibers and I can honestly say it takes a heck of a rifle and load to to under 2" with these slow moving low BC bullets.

Any Marlin owner claiming they do it regularly are doing just that CLAIMING a cherry picked best group. And yes I've owned an 1894 in 357

[Huffmanite]

     Problem is, that there were several reviews of this rifle in .357 in the major gun mags.  Using factory ammo, about the best they could do was 2.5 to 3 inch groups with a scope at 100 yards, using a bench.
 
   Sorry, but I can 't see spending $600 plus on a bolt action rifle that is that sloppy.  Most Marlin levers in .357 will easily group better than that right out of the box if scoped.
 
Best, Mannyrock

After reading this, makes me feel good to have resisted buying one of these Rugers at a local gunshow recently.....could have bought a 44 mag one too.

[gunnut69]

The BC of the bullet will have little effect on accuract at 100 yards..if it did the sharps rifles would have suffered greatly.. I don't know about the 77/357s but the BC isn't the problem..

[R.W.Dale]

The BC of the bullet will have little effect on accuract at 100 yards..if it did the sharps rifles would have suffered greatly.. I don't know about the 77/357s but the BC isn't the problem..

It matters in that if its not a dead calm day the wind can have quite an affect on your groups during to the long time in flight compared to more contemporary centerfire rifles.

A 500 grain + 45 caliber bullet resists wind deflection quite a bit better than a 158 grain 35 caliber slug.

Like I said I've done a LOT of pistol caliber carbine shooting for groups and even from a custom barreled 45 win mag savage carbine 2" is an OUTSTANDING 100 yd group.

Besides what's exactly the problem with even a 3" group from a rifle that at 100yds is at its absolute maximum effective range? Especially since twice that group size will still kill Bambi all day long deader than a sack of hammers

[mannyrock]

Dale,
 
   Sorry to hear you had such bad results with the Marlin 1894s in .357.   Mine were always the opposite.
 
    When shooting from a bench, I never set the forestock or the mag tube on the rest.  I always set the receiver itself (just in front of the lever) down on the rest.  And, I always used PMC ammunition.  158 grain soft point .357s. 
 
  I had no problem gettting consistent 1 inch groups.  Maybe other brands of ammo or different methods of benchrest would have given me problems, but I never tried them.
 
  As for the brand new Marlins, I have heard that they are pretty bad, though I've never shot one.
 
  Best Regards, 
Mannyrock

[R.W.Dale]

I had just fine realistic results with my Marlin.

I didn't however cherry pick one lucky group and proclaim to the entire internet that the gun is a MOA rifle "all day long"

Am I going to have to make the challenge like I did to the mini guys to shoot TWO groups on one piece of paper under one inch?

Consistent MOA @100 yds from a 357 mag much less a Marlin 1894 is pure hyperbole.

And I'm not talking about sissy 3 shot groups either.


Two groups on one piece of printer paper fired at 100yds, 5 shots each 10 minutes to do it. Both groups must be under 1.10"

Take this challenge if you think your rifle is that accurate and I'll send you 50 pieces of 357 magnum brass for pulling it off. But you gotta be honest and post the targets that didn't make the grade.

[mannyrock]

Hi Dale,
 
   You can issue any challenge you want.  It doesn't matter because I don't own the rifle anymore.
 
   You are right, though, that I only shot 3 shot groups, not 5 shot.
 
   What would I want with 50 rounds of .357 brass?  I don't reload.
 
Best, Mannyrock

[gunnut69]

I haven't a lot of experience with these kittke rifles but the few I've dealt with were quite accurate but most were iron sighted and my eyes are pretty old. The exception was a highpoint autoloader with a glass sight. it stayed under an inch quite easily.. Perhaps your technique is at fault...

[R.W.Dale]

I haven't a lot of experience with these kittke rifles but the few I've dealt with were quite accurate but most were iron sighted and my eyes are pretty old. The exception was a highpoint autoloader with a glass sight. it stayed under an inch quite easily.. Perhaps your technique is at fault...

Seeing as I've dabbled in benchrest shooting off and on I doubt my techniques is the reason I don't shoot moa with highpoints and 357 carbines. More like its my sense of reality and the fact I shoot at an actual measured 100yds

And yes I owned a high point 995 too

[gunnut69]

My sense of reality is fine thank you but was simply pointing out that perhaps a general condemnation of Marlin accuracy is based on a flawed sample or poor test standards as my results while limited was significantly different.. Also dabbling doesn't indicate expertise.

[R.W.Dale]

Suggesting that two or three inches at 100 yards is fine and rather typical accuracy for a pistol caliber carbine isn't a sweeping condemnation of accuracy its a dose of reality. For that matter Why does the Marlin get a pass on a sample of one but the ruger in question doesnt?

This is all part of a widespread internet fallacy that suggests something is somehow wrong with a gun if it WON'T shoot moa.  No matter what it is.

All it takes is two groups on one piece of paper. The challenge extends to everyone who wishes to take it between now and when the world ends in December.