30 herrette VS 300 whisper debate

[rickyp]

the 30 herrette is a better round for the contender  then the 300 whisper when you are supersonic and light bullets.

The 300 whisper was never designed for the contender it was meant to be a subsonic round out of a M-16 and short action bolt action rifles for mil. and law enforcement

the round did migrate to the contender rather well

The 300 whisper can do a few things that the 30 herrette cant do quite as well.
1) it can shoot 220 gr bullets very well
2) it is very efficient when it comes to powder
3) it can be suppressed to less then the sound of a air rifle and still kill a deer out to 200 yards.
4) run subsonic as well as supersonic

I feel that they both are first class rounds in a contender, If I where to get a new barrel on one of the two, I think I would get the 300 whisper. and use 220 cast bullets.

[Gregory]

And if you're an Illinois deer hunter there are only two bottlenecked cartriges that I know of that meet the 30 cal. min and 1.4" max case length restrictions:
300 Whisper
30x444 1.4"

http://mysite.elixirlabs.com/catalog/index.php?file=catalog&prod_pcategory=49345&clist=0,49199,49345&uid=12665&gpoid=

http://www.cnccartridge.com/sp30.htm

[bgjohn]

I don't EVER want to shoot 220 gr bullets. Antelope/deer fall quickly to a 135 or 150gr bullet out of the Herrett. Supersonic is BETTER than subsonic. Try it you'll like it. A 1.4" cartridge case? I'll hold my tongue on that.
JM

[rickyp]

I have has a 10 inch 30 herrette and it was OK I used 150 gr bullets.
the subsonic rounds should be real fun to shoot and I must admit that I love the idea that I can get a silencer for the barrel (with the proper paper work)

[Slim Chance]

Rickyp,
 If you start a 30 caliber bullet at less than the speed of sound, what kind of velocity do you have at 200 yards? I would not try a deer with any jacketed 30 caliber bullet with a muzzle speed that low.
 No flame intended, just an arched eyebrow. I have two suppressors and they are a LOT of fun. I have even thought about a carbine in 300 Whisper to suppress. I still love the 30 Herrett.

[rickyp]

from what I have read the 300 whisper with the 220 gr subsonic loads have more M.E. at 200 yards then the 30-30 does.

[Graycg]

You might be right about more energy, but you don't have enough velocity to make a 220 grain 30 cal bullet expand with any reliability, they were designed to be launched at 2000-2400 fps out of 30-40 Krag and 30-06.  Now subsonic with a 220 grain cast bullet cast relatively soft, won't lead the barrel and may still expand.

regards,
 Graycg

[bgjohn]

from what I have read the 300 whisper with the 220 gr subsonic loads have more M.E. at 200 yards then the 30-30 does.

 :lol: RAINBOW !

Deer at 200 yards with a 300 Whisper?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Midrange that bullet is probably 3' above the line of sight. Is that what I want? NO ! Flat shooting is better.
JM

[Jim Stacy]

I am glad to see the post about the 30 Herrett and 300 Whisper , both are good rounds and both have their place in the shooting world.
If you ahave a 32 mag and you want just a little more you get a 30 carbine barrel , just a little bit more you get a 30/20 , just a little bit more you get a 300 whisper , just a little bit more you get a 30 herrett , just a little bit more you handload a 30/30 , just a little bit more you get the barrel rechambered to 309 JDJ , just a little bit more you get a 308 Encore , just a little bit more you get a 30/06 and just a little bit more you go to a 300 win mag . Would you use a 300 win mag for everything , probably not --would you use a 32 mag for everything probably not but in between these calibers are some really great 30 clibers ! Gentlemen shoot em if you got em they are all fun and have their uses . To paraphrase Jack O Connor " only accurate Contenders interest me" and the little 30's are accurate and fun to shoot . keep on supporting the cartridge you like and don't let it die . I was afraid the 30 Herrett was gone but it's alive and well on GB as is the 30 Whisper , two fine little rounds with just a little bit of difference in velocity. :-) Jim

[Bug]

The way I see it, the two cartridges just happen to be similar by coincidence. They were originated thru two entirely different concepts. Steve Herrett wanted a more efficient round, than the .30-30, to go with the Contender's 10" barrel. He just reduced case size to what he thought the 10" bbl could utilize. The Whisper was produced in a desire for a subsonic personnel weapon. It used heavier bullets to keep energy figures up, and a corresponding faster twist to utilize bullets in the 200gr range. It's true they are similar, in an internal ballistics sort of way. But, I think that they are simply in two different categories, due to their intended purpose. I also happen to like both rounds, and own neither...Yet!

[Jim Stacy]

You are corect they came from different families but wound up in a favorite of us all , the TC , probably one of the premier innovations in the hand gun world in this centry . Do I like the TC , well you got me yes I do. I have shot my 30 H a bunch and killed 20 or so head of medium sized game with it. Deer ,hogs , javelina,  coyote , turkey and antelope. I have just got my 300 W. just playing with it and working on loads to go out and try . I have shot a friends 300 W. , why I wanted one ,and it makes good power for it's size and powder charge. Very efficient little round.

[kickedby444]

I like em both,but for different things...
 30 Herrett---- deer huntin
 300 whisper----takin care of the neighbors house broke varmints.