Author Topic: Do the Remington ML's have unsafe triggers like the center-fires? (Read 2086 times)

muznut 54 · « **on:** May 30, 2012, 08:15:32 AM »

I was just wondering if the Remington 700ml's have unsafe triggers like their center-fires because I'm considering buying one for a smokeless build?

flintlock · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2012, 12:37:35 PM »

Never had a problem when adjusting either...

If your worried about safety, stay away from smokless muzzleloaders......

muznut 54 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:01:10 PM »

I have been shooting smokeless in a custom smokeless muzzleloader for years I have burned up a couple of eight pounders and many one pound jugs of the stuff.

Swampman · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:03:52 PM »

Yep, if you pull them the gun will go off just like the centerfire version.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:08:45 PM »

My concern is when you don't pull the trigger and just take the safety off, will they fire like the center-fires with faulty triggers?

Swampman · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:18:04 PM »

That's never happened with either. There are no faulty triggers.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:31:56 PM »

Not according to the U.S. Marines and the Maine state police and oh yeah the designer off the original faulty trigger! I guess your in denial.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:41:19 PM »

No I don't get anything for free and are you saying the U.S. Marines and the Maine state police lied?

Swampman · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:49:39 PM »

I sure am, they took money from the liberal media to lie.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:56:00 PM »

Lol Marines and liberals?

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:58:46 PM »

Tons of them voted for Obama. The military is full of liberals.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2012, 02:02:04 PM »

Good thing their on the job protecting us from our enemies and faulty guns!

Swampman · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2012, 02:03:31 PM »

The Marines love the Model 700. I'm in contact with many of them. You you don't have to be a liberal to accept a bribe.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2012, 02:07:01 PM »

They still use the m700 but its not the same gun when they get done fixing it.

Swampman · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2012, 02:09:46 PM »

It's the same gun. The most accurate production rifle in the world.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 30, 2012, 02:25:26 PM »

Its not the same gun they fixed the trigger and most accurate? That's why the most famous US snipper Carlos Hathcock used a Win M70 they just cant afford M70's anymore.

Swampman · « **Reply #16 on:** May 30, 2012, 02:33:58 PM »

Carlos had no choice, but switched to the Model 700 as soon as he could. They don't fix the trigger because it ain't broke.

flintlock · « **Reply #17 on:** May 30, 2012, 02:59:36 PM »

It's amazing how a simple question can become a debate...

If you know all the answers, why ask???

Swampman · « **Reply #18 on:** May 30, 2012, 03:01:28 PM »

Exactly! he's just trolling...

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #19 on:** May 30, 2012, 03:50:31 PM »

how do u know that he switched to a 700 as fast as he could?

Swampman · « **Reply #20 on:** May 30, 2012, 10:28:43 PM »

I've studied the man quite extensively. The Model 70s they used were actually sporting rifles bought for deer hunting on USMC bases that were scrounged by Sgt. Land. The post-64 Model 70s didn't meet USMC specs so they didn't buy any. The Model 70 was never embraced by the US Military. Hatcock was caring a M-40 when the personel carrier he was riding in hit a mine. The USMC replaced triggers on the older M-40s not because they were defective but because they wanted a mil-spec target grade trigger.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 31, 2012, 01:59:47 AM »

Marines liberal,trolling,and accused of getting free products from a company you don't like,that tells me what I'm dealing with. If Carlos Hathcock switched to M700 but I'm not sure he did it was not by choice it was because of logistics so everyone carried the same ammo and the military wanted a standard cheaper platform to build their rifles on and the Win M70 CRF was a great sniper rifle right out of the box but to expensive. Comparing the modern bolt sniper rifle to M700 is like comparing a Nascar Toyota race car to a Corola on the show room floor, its not the same gun.

Swampman · « **Reply #22 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:51:23 AM »

That's because the M40 isn't a Model 700. It's a M40 or M24. any of them will shoot 1/4 MOA. A CRF cannot be as accurate as a Model 700. The CRF extractor prevents good accuracy. Can you send me some of those free Powerbelts. I need some heavy bullet nose sinkers.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 31, 2012, 04:37:56 AM »

If M70 CRF cant be as accurate I guess the Marine sniper and match teams got it all wrong pre64 and another big reason they switched is because they couldn't get the CRF anymore and that pissed them off also explain the FNH PBR based on the Win M70 CRF that the FBI and many police swat sniper teams use. As far as free powerbelts, I used powerbelts once in my life about eleven years ago and I paid for them! I use Hornady XTP's or SST's in all my muzzleloaders.

Swampman · « **Reply #24 on:** May 31, 2012, 06:13:05 AM »

Can you talk to the guys at the factory about letting me borrow one of those .45-70s to write a test report on?

muznut 54 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 31, 2012, 07:30:25 AM »

Swampman what the heck does that have to do with my last post? And I think I know where your going, if I could talk to someone about free stuff from CVA it would be for a 45-70 barrel for one of my Apex's and if its as accurate as my other Bergara barrels I can expect half inch groups or better. It seems your not as afraid of Bergara barrels as you make people think.

Swampman · « **Reply #26 on:** May 31, 2012, 07:36:17 AM »

I just want one to write a test report on. I'll return it.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 31, 2012, 07:53:42 AM »

LOL I wish I could help.

r29l20 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 01, 2012, 06:56:15 AM »

To the OP, yes it's the same trigger, but it's not unsafe.

sabotloader · « **Reply #29 on:** June 02, 2012, 04:28:11 PM »

Quote from: muznut 54 on May 30, 2012, 08:15:32 AM

I was just wondering if the Remington 700ml's have unsafe triggers like their center-fires because I'm considering buying one for a smokeless build?

Triggers for the older Remington 700's including the muzzleloaders were suspect for many years. The biggest problem came from a trigger assembly called a 'Walker Trigger'. They can fire when flipping the safety off and also when the bolt is slammed forward.
Both of these incidents occur when the trigger is not adjusted correctly. Or afer a long period of time when wear occurs within the trigger either because of lack of lubrication or wear on the moving parts.
The biggest problem has come when people adjust the trigger themselves and get the Sear Engagement set to fine. Because of this and at this point I believe Remington's policy remains the same if you have adjusted your trigger Remington will not warranty it at all.
This drawing and information sheet does show how to adjust the trigger - but unless you are experianced I would not do it on your own. If you do adjust you own trigger test it completely to make sure the sear does not release the firing pin on its own. This usually happens when the trigger is adjusted to light and the sear adjustment is adjusted to fine to reduce creep. It becomes almost a 'hair trigger'.
The Walker trigger is a good trigger if it adjusted correctly and maintained.
Here is some information.

And Swampman is somewhat correct... the documentary produced about the trigger was for 'sensation'. Most often everything written fails to mention that the trigger can be adjusted to solve the problem, and/or Remington will actually replace trigger if it is truly defective and has not been adjusted by an owner.