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range day using trail boss
« on: May 30, 2012, 09:25:05 PM »
loaded up some 30-30's with  2.2 cc's of trail boss about 31 grns powder real easy recoil load used  30 cal varmiter hollow points very accurate. shot 50 rounds also loaded 50 with imr 4995 shot 10 of them last in my 94 winchester has cresent butt plate real hard on the shoulder with the 4895 load that is why i wanted to try trailboss .worked perfect i will save the heavier loads for my handy. i like to enjoy my time at the range with out messing up my shoulder. i also shoot in my 45-70 405 grn cast lee bullet. love that gun i can shoot it for hours easy now. i will save the heavy loads for hunting.thanks quickto for your help buddy. ;D
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 03:50:27 AM »
Trail Boss is good stuff. I've used it in .38 spcl, .357 mag, .45 Colt, .45-70, and .500 Wyo Express.
For mild target loads there's nothing better, in my opinion.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 07:51:19 AM »
I too have occational recoil probs 'cause I have a SS plate/bar with 6, 2" screws holding my right collarbone together. Took my .44 Mag. Mod. 92 clone, a Puma, and wound up with a bloody sholder. Past Recoil Pads will keep the shoulder ouch free and you don't need to put anything on your gun http://www.battenfeldtechnologies.com/past/catalog.asp?family=past-recoil-pads
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 08:01:51 AM »
It might be 2.2cc but I doubt its 31gr? 31gr of trail boss should blow the hell out of a 30-30.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 08:22:43 PM »
i used the 2.2 cc lee dipper on both trailboss and 4895 it measured close to 31 grns. that was just about 1/8 inch or better from where i seat bullet.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 08:50:55 PM »
your right muzz typo 14 grns of trail boss you couldn't get 31 grns in that case. i use 17 in my 45-70.i don't know where the 31 came from?ooops :o
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 03:21:51 AM »
That's OK I knew it was a mistake and you could never get that much in the case, I just didn't want some reader trying to cram as much Trail Boss as he could in a 30-30 that wouldn't be good. :o 
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 04:04:37 AM »
Quote from: muznut 54 on June 01, 2012, 03:21:51 AM
That's OK I knew it was a mistake and you could never get that much in the case, I just didn't want some reader trying to cram as much Trail Boss as he could in a 30-30 that wouldn't be good. :o

100% of case capacity in any rifle case is considered a max load for TB and still is well below max SAAMI pressures.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 04:14:37 AM »
But Trail Boss although bulky is a very fast burning powder like titegroup and if you compress it pressures really spike so if you load the case all the way to the neck top and compress it, it may not be nice day IMR says max load is where your bullet is fully seated not compressed and Ive seen people do some stupid things like packing with a dowel or something.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 01:39:19 PM »
Have a 43 spanish Remington Rolling block I use Trail Boss loads to lob 370 grain bullets downrange.  Its a hoot.  If I want to shoot my 1903 Springfield, which seems to have a stout recoil to me with regular loads, I'll load up some Trail Boss loads to enjoy shooting the rifle.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 06:40:57 PM »
the 31 grns of powder was the 4895 it works real good with the 100grn varmint hp bullet.but kicks harder than trail boss going to load more tomorrow. ;)
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 09:52:51 AM »
Quote from: ratdog on May 31, 2012, 08:50:55 PM
your right muzz typo 14 grns of trail boss you couldn't get 31 grns in that case. i use 17 in my 45-70.i don't know where the 31 came from?ooops :o


I get 10 grains to the base of a 311041 cast boolit and that is seating it to the base of the neck or a tad deeper...

I think 14 grains of TB is crowding the amount in a 30-30.  As a matter of fact, 14 grains of TB is about all that will fit in a 30-30 case filled to the case mouth...

You would have to be compressing a 14 grain charge of TB no matter what bullet you are using...

Not advised...

Good-luck...BCB
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2012, 02:32:53 PM »
I've used Trail Boss in 32 Magnum, 38 Special, 45 Colt and 45-70. It's the best powder for mild target and plinking loads.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2012, 06:13:19 PM »
Another vote here for Trail Boss. I use it in 45-70s and 30-06s. I have arthritis in my shoulders and this powder has allowed me to keep shooting these two favorite calibers.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2012, 10:50:49 AM »
Quote from: buck460XVR on June 01, 2012, 04:04:37 AM
Quote from: muznut 54 on June 01, 2012, 03:21:51 AM
That's OK I knew it was a mistake and you could never get that much in the case, I just didn't want some reader trying to cram as much Trail Boss as he could in a 30-30 that wouldn't be good. :o

100% of case capacity in any rifle case is considered a max load for TB and still is well below max SAAMI pressures.

If you mean 100% of the space left after a bullet is seated, you are correct.  If you mean 100% of the entire case capacity--to the case mouth--you are wrong...

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf

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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2012, 11:40:44 AM »
Quote from: BCB on June 05, 2012, 10:50:49 AM


If you mean 100% of the space left after a bullet is seated, you are correct. 




That is exactly what I mean.  Sorry for the confusion.  When using TB, I consider  the bottom of the seated bullet 100%. Most of my jacketed TB loads are 95-100%.


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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2012, 11:42:34 AM »
Unique is mo betta.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2012, 12:21:03 PM »
unique is not better, its different and better suited for some applications, but a blanket statement like that , just dont hold water.
trailboss is great stuff, i love it in my 45-70, 44mag and 45 colt for mild target and plinking , there is really not a better powder in my opinion.. i do use unique alot too, but trailboss is my go to powder for the field and range till hunting season.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2012, 12:37:44 PM »
I can't see spending the extra money to do the same thing Unique does.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2012, 12:43:42 PM »
I don't know about the newest unique but trail boss is super clean compared to the old.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2012, 12:46:21 PM »
Ran a bunch of Unique through my .45-70 today with no fouling at all.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2012, 01:30:53 PM »
Unique is definitely more versatile but I'd rather use Trail Boss for light loads and Unique for mid-range/factory velocity type loads. Unique is at it's best when duplicating factory 45 Colt loads.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2012, 01:52:18 PM »
Unique was developed as a midrange rifle powder.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2012, 04:59:47 PM »
I haven't tried TB might have to do that. I use lots of Unique it works extremely well with cast bullets. I use it in my shotgun 00 loads 38s 357s 44 spls 44 mag and my 30/30. I buy it 2- 8# kegs at a time lasts about 5-6 months did I mention use lots of Unique :D .

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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2012, 01:08:17 AM »
I hear the new formula Unique is much cleaner than the old.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2012, 09:40:55 AM »
Quote from: muznut 54 on June 06, 2012, 01:08:17 AM
I hear the new formula Unique is much cleaner than the old.

It is but I'm not sure why that's important.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2012, 10:29:38 AM »
cleanliness is next to godliness. :)
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2012, 01:08:09 PM »
Quote from: muznut 54 on June 06, 2012, 10:29:38 AM
cleanliness is next to godliness. :)

Maybe with blackpowder.  With smokeless cleaning hurts accuracy and wears your barrel out.
 
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2012, 01:22:45 PM »
Unique is dirty, even the new stuff but it cleans up real easily.
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Re: range day using trail boss
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2012, 01:42:43 PM »
I looked at my spreadsheet that I keep for all the reload recipes that I have done in the past—well since I could use Excel…

I have 29 loads with various cartridges using Unique…

I have 66 loads using Trail Boss…

And the TB loads have been within the past several years.  The Unique loads have been since my computer usage in around 1997 or there about…

I do use Unique, but only for a few cartridges and then only when it is very accurate and produces a velocity that I consider acceptable for that cartridge…

Whereas TB is just a dang plain fun powder.  Nope, no top velocities and not always accurate, but always fun.  I get it to meter fairly well, so I just get 50 cases or so ready and drop the powder from the Uniflow into the case, a quick visual inspection and seat the boolit.  Go and shoot…

Some of the loads with TB are pretty accurate.  I have tried it in 12 cartridges as opposed to 10 cartridges for Unique.  But, I have used Unique in shotgun loads, but not TB as I doubt it has no application…

Sometimes reloading ammo may not use the most economical combinations, but that isn’t what reloading is all about much of the time…

Super economy is with Bullseye or 231 or such.  A few grains and the bullets go down range.  I use the super fast burners some, but closer observation is needed as the powder is barely visible in most cases.  This takes extra time.
 
Double charges are possible always with super fast burners and sometimes with Unique.  Never with TB...

I’m on my 2nd five-pound canister of TB and continue to use it…

And so it goes…

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