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« on: June 11, 2012, 08:23:04 PM »
i was reading the other day that Chevy i going to be getting motors from china.that will definitely mean no more Chev's for me. :o

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 03:11:56 AM »
Soooooo, does this mean that you don't own or won't buy anything made in China or that contains Chinese made components?  Are you sitting in a bare, older  house with no electronics, appliances, lights, etc.?  Don't look now, but almost everything you buy now days is either made in China or contains components that were made in China.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 05:35:55 AM »
Buy an American made vehicle--a Toyota.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 12:22:05 PM »
i was reading the other day that Chevy i going to be getting motors from china.that will definitely mean no more Chev's for me. :o

Do you realize the keyboard and computer you just typed this post on are made in China?

I stopped buying Chevy's when they discontinued the TH350 transmission and replaced it with the metric junk.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 01:09:15 PM »
I'm done with GM (Government motors) because the government owns 26% of the company.

It's very doubtful that I'll ever own another one.

That said, I've got two ford trucks and a Tennessee built nissan truck.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 08:26:01 PM »

I don't think the big 3 make cars anymore. They assemble parts that were bought from the cheapest sources internationally and the ones that would be to expensive to ship they often outsource in America or make at an auto plant. The funny thing is most of the Japanese vehicles assembled over here have more American made parts than an American brand vehicle. I live in the South where wages are lower and the local towns will give tax and electricity breaks to the auto manufacturers to get them to give the economy a boost. Within a very small area near me they make motors, vehicles, brake/fuel line clusters, seats, molded interiors, starters, alts and so on. Those are just the Japanese vehicle suppliers near by that I know of. I don't know of any American vehicle manufacturers taking advantage of what is offered. Well unless you go way, way south on the other side of the Rio Grande.
 Not so sure China has advanced enough to create cnc machined aluminum blocks. But who knows? That is sad because the Asian manufacturers here have to put their own people in the auto plants to make sure QC is up to snuff. Almost is not good enough like it is with Americans. So with American bosses in China what kind of quality is there going to be?
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 12:17:29 AM »
Go find one of these, American made.

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Re: chevy's
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 12:32:44 AM »
i have bought a lot chink crap they don't know how to make bearings alot of there drills are noisey and products with there bearings usually don't last long. check out harbor freight crap. i certainly don't need there auto motors.some of the crap they make with plastic is toxic the won't tell anybody what type of chemicals they use in it.we need to make things here we need the jobs ;)

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 12:34:04 AM »
Chevys today are probably the best cars they have ever made. The newer ones I've seen look pretty good. I'll never own one because the others make better cars and don't have the stigma of a deeply flawed government bailout, but chevy should be given some credit.


Interesting also is the abstract nature of chevy in our own buying decisions. Its as if they don't exist. We don't even think of them when it comes time to buy a new car. Never have. Strange, especially when we do consider many other companies, like Kia, Hyundai, etc.

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2012, 12:36:34 AM »
I've been a GM man most of my life,owned several new ones. Traded my 99 silverado,rust bucket, in on a new Tundra last month.

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2012, 03:08:39 AM »

I don't think the big 3 make cars anymore. They assemble parts that were bought from the cheapest sources internationally and the ones that would be to expensive to ship they often outsource in America or make at an auto plant. The funny thing is most of the Japanese vehicles assembled over here have more American made parts than an American brand vehicle. I live in the South where wages are lower and the local towns will give tax and electricity breaks to the auto manufacturers to get them to give the economy a boost. Within a very small area near me they make motors, vehicles, brake/fuel line clusters, seats, molded interiors, starters, alts and so on. Those are just the Japanese vehicle suppliers near by that I know of. I don't know of any American vehicle manufacturers taking advantage of what is offered. Well unless you go way, way south on the other side of the Rio Grande.
 Not so sure China has advanced enough to create cnc machined aluminum blocks. But who knows? That is sad because the Asian manufacturers here have to put their own people in the auto plants to make sure QC is up to snuff. Almost is not good enough like it is with Americans. So with American bosses in China what kind of quality is there going to be?

A lot of truth to this.  I drive an American brand vehicle, a Chrysler PT Cruiser,  assembled in Mexico with parts from all over.   Prior to that I had a Chevy C1500, assembled in Canada.... again parts from all over.  The world has changed just not sure if it is for the better.     
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2012, 04:16:23 AM »
If any of you find anything that is totally made (including all parts) in America, please inform the rest of us so that we can take advantage of it.  I'm not talking about custom products, but commercially available products.  I think you will have to look long and hard to find it.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2012, 08:37:53 AM »
Like it of not due to some legislation there are changes coming down the turn pike (*pun)
Congress was busey and its going to affect allot of folks, look to California as the test bed for whats coming up.
These changes are sweeping and will happen fast, China has the industrial base to bang out the required materials.
 
Todays world trade your bound to encounter products that are mfg or assembled outside the USA.
 
I know Lynden Air Cargo regularly flys car chassis by C-130 to Mexico quite regularly to keep the production line moving, as a aircraft mechanic allot of aircraft parts are of overseas in origin, I'd seen allot of electrical microswitches, breakers, relays made in Mexico carry our FAA/PMA approval stamp.
aircraft radios from Indonesia, intertubes from brazil.
 
China has been exporting truck's in Asia since the 1920's and they do rather well in Asia.
like allot of things, I remember when Japanese tools were crappy, then Taiwan, China, now it seems India has that title.
 
The basic issue is quality control, some the chinese mfg items that are coming in  are of rather high quality materials, fit and finish, for years we been getting the low end export junk and assumed the whole country is nothing but shoddy low end goods, now we are beginning to see products the regular Chinese use every day.
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Policy_Act_of_2005
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Independence_and_Security_Act_of_2007
Fuel economy
Congressmen representing automobile manufacturing regions objected to the proposed increase in fuel economy standards. They said the measure would sharply increase the cost of new cars, lowering demand and further burdening the struggling automotive industry. Representative John Dingell of Michigan advocated instead an increase in the federal gasoline tax, which he said would have more immediate effects on oil consumption by influencing consumer behavior (i.e. car purchase decisions and total miles driven).[24]
Summary of Legislation
The bill signed into law in December 2007 was an 822-page document changing U.S. energy policy in many areas.[11][12]
  Title I-Energy Security Through Improved Vehicle Fuel Economy Title I contains the first increase in fuel economy standards for passenger cars since 1975, and the establishment of the first efficiency standard for medium-duty and heavy-duty commercial vehicles. In the year 2020, it is estimated to save Americans a total of $22 billion and have a significant reduction in emissions equivalent to removing 28 million cars from the road. Title I is responsible for 60% of the estimated energy savings of the bill. [13]
 
A. Increased Corporate Average Fuel Economy
 
  • Manufacturers must meet the average fuel economy standard of 27.5 miles per gallon or come within within 92% of the standard for a given model year. [14]
  • Development of standards for commercial medium-duty and heavy-duty vehicles [15].
  • Manufacturers can receive credit in one vehicle class if it exceeds the CAFE standards, allowing them make up for another vehicle class that may be below standards. Credits can also be exchanged between manufacturers [15].
  B. Improved Vehicle Technology   C. Federal Vehicle Fleets
  • New conservation requirements for federal vehicle fleets.
  • Federal agencies cannot use light-duty or medium-duty passenger vehicles that do not meet the new low greenhouse emission standards.
  • Using 2005 as a baseline, by 2015 Federal agencies must reduce petroleum consumption by 20% and increase the use of annual alternative fuel by 10% yearly [15].
Title II: Energy Security Through Increased Production of Biofuels
Title II contains the first legislation that specifically requires the creation of Biomass-based Diesel fuel, which is the addition of renewable biofuels to diesel fuel. To be labeled as Biomass-based Diesel, fuel must be able to reduce emissions by 50 percent when compared to petroleum diesel. As of now, Biodiesel is the only commercial fuel that meets this requirement [17].
 [edit] A. Renewable Fuel Standard
  • Taxpayer funding for increased production of biofuels. The total amount of biofuels added to gasoline is required to increase to 36 billion US gallons (140,000,000 m3) by 2022, from 4.7 billion US gallons (18,000,000 m3) in 2007. The Energy Act further specifies that 21 billion US gallons (79,000,000 m3) of the 2022 total must be derived from non-cornstarch products (e.g. sugar or cellulose).
[edit] B. Biofuels Research and Development
  • States with low cellulosic biomass ethanol production may be rewarded grants for research, development, and application of biofuel technologies [15].
  • Requires the Secretary of Energy to initiate studies on the use of algae as a feedstock for biofuel production, studies on the durability and performance of engines with the use of biodisel, and studies to optimize the use of E-85 fuel in flexible fueled vehicles [14].

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Re: chevy's
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2012, 10:20:46 AM »
Never owned a GM product and never will if I can help it.  I prefer a good car.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2012, 12:29:32 PM »
  Many motors come from china these days, includeing at least one motor that's in chevy car's today.
 
  MANY CAT diesel motor blocks come from china, many John Deere motors come from china, along with many of there other parts too...  And so it goes!
 
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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2012, 12:44:38 PM »
Ford motors do not come from China....they didn't take the bailout either.
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Re: chevy's
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2012, 01:57:39 PM »
 Ford motors come from Mexico.

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2012, 02:20:35 PM »
Only the tiny ones.  I'm fine with Mexico.  I hate China.
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2012, 05:15:13 PM »
Both Ford and GM have plants in many countries, and interests in many others, and in just about all the continents.
All the car companies source parts from all over the World.
I wouldn't sneeze at a nice little US Chevy truck, myself.
My wish list seems to have faded from the ubiquitous F150.
Always been a Ford person since my old man had Fords when I was a kid in the 50's.
As you say, it's a Chev v Ford thing.


Unfortunately, Chinese manufactured goods have suffered from poor quality, finish, inferior steel, and quality control.
They're obviously getting better and they currently have quite a thriving modern vehicle manufacturing industry .
From what I've seen, build and material quality is still an issue.
I wouldn't trust their bearings or gearboxes, .....in fact most moving parts !!!


I drive a Toyota. Locally assembled from mostly Japanese made components.
Probably 60/40 percentages.
Toyotas just seem to go forever with little issue. Gearbox has developed a whine at 200,000k but I just merge it with the outside noise.
(Oh for a quiet ride like in a Cadillac/Rolls Royce/Bentley/Mercedes or BMW !)


Driven an African assembled Chrysler with some local content.
Driven African, British and German made Fords, and GM's
Australian GM's
Brazil still making the last old VW's
India making old British marks
and E.Europe famous for their old mostly Fiat derivatives, using original tooling.


Sorry to have to mention this, but it appears that we're a 'Global' economy.
(Just don't tell the Protest movements !)  :)


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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 09:42:28 PM »
Chevy diesels have been japanese [izusu] for quite a while.
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2012, 02:18:24 AM »
Chevy diesels have been japanese [izusu] for quite a while.

  Design wise yes, but they are built un the USA, at least the Duramax is.  I'm not sure if the new small diesels comeing in 2013 will be built in the US or not?
 
  My 2012 Chevy pu was built in La., so far it's been a great truck with zero problems.
 
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