De Spiegel: Isreali Dolphin Class Subs will have Nuke Cruise missiles afterall..

[TM7]

.... and counter to Non-Proliferation Treaties. Armageddon buffs take note: A few weeks ago this forum reported that Germany was selling Dolphin class submarines to isreal, but that nuclear capability on these subs was not happening or possible according to weapons experts. However, Germany's De Spiegel reports that nuke cruise missle launch capability will be in the deal....fyi...TM7
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons-on-german-submarines-a-836671.html
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.Israel Deploys Nuclear Weapons on German-Built Submarines

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The Dolphin class submarines are built for Israel in a shipyard in Kiel (March 2012 photo).A German shipyard has already built three submarines for Israel, and three more are planned. Now SPIEGEL has learned that Israel is arming the submarines with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. The German government has known about Israel's nuclear weapons program for decades, despite its official denials.  Germany is helping Israel to develop its military nuclear capabilities, SPIEGEL has learned. According to extensive research carried out by the magazine, Israel is equipping submarines that were built in the northern German city of Kiel and largely paid for by the German government with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. The missiles can be launched using a previously secret hydraulic ejection system. Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak told SPIEGEL that Germans should be "proud" that they have secured the existence of the state of Israel "for many years."
     ***In the past, the German government has always stuck to the position that it is unaware of nuclear weapons being deployed on the vessels. Now>, however, former high-ranking officials from the German Defense Ministry, including former State Secretary Lothar Rühl and former chief of the planning staff Hans Rühle, have told SPIEGEL that they had always assumed that Israel would deploy nuclear weapons on the submarines. Rühl had even discussed the issue with the military in Tel Aviv.
Israel has a policy of not commenting officially on its nuclear weapons program. Documents from the archives of the German Foreign Ministry make it clear, however, that the German government has known about the program since 1961. The last discussion for which there is evidence took place in 1977, when then-Chancellor Helmut Schmidt spoke to then-Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan about the issue.
The submarines are built by the German shipyard HDW in Kiel. Three submarines have already been delivered to Israel, and three more will be delivered by 2017. In addition, Israel is considering ordering its seventh, eighth and ninth submarines from Germany.
The German government recently signed the contract for the delivery of the sixth vessel. According to information obtained by SPIEGEL, Chancellor Angela Merkel made substantial concessions to the Israelis. Not only is Berlin financing one-third of the cost of the submarine, around €135 million ($168 million), but it is also allowing Israel to defer its payment until 2015.
Merkel had tied the delivery of the sixth submarine to a number of conditions, including a demand that Israel stop its expansionist settlement policy and allow the completion of a sewage treatment plant in the Gaza Strip, which is partially financed with German money. So far, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has met none of the terms.
Check back on SPIEGEL International on Monday for the full English-language version of SPIEGEL's cover story on Germany's cooperation with Israel over its submarine program.dgs/SPIEGEL

[P.A. Myers]

I must admit some curiosity how there could be a personal attack involving Israeli submarines? It would seem the subject does not inspire anything personal. Seems odd.

          P.A.

[BBF]

U-Boats carrying nukes under the Israeli Flag. Who "da Thunked" that ever ??
 
What ticks me off mostly is that the German taxpayer footed most of that bill. Those conditions layed down by Germany will never bet met by Israel. I wouldn't worry about Iran, they are not the problem.

[Nuke41]

Latest report they will have up to 500 megaton launch capability from these Dolphins.
...TM7

If you have a reference on how the Israelis could pack 500 MT of throw weight into their Dolphin sub fleet I’d love to see it.  I’m not going to waste half of a beautiful Saturday explaining why it’s impossible for the Israeli Dolphin sub fleet to have a combined throw weight of 500 MT, I will however as a point of reference point out that a D5 armed Trident ballistic missile sub has approximately a 45 MT combined throw weight.
 

[Empty Quiver]

Hot diggety damn.
 
Does this mean that if one of their neighbors decides to anhilate their tiny country with a nuclear device they will still have hell to pay? No sucker punch? A wingman lying on the ocean floor?
 
Well that has just got to suck if you just spent most of your nations treasure on developing a nuclear device.

[Empty Quiver]

As a nation you are expected to do something any reasonable individual would not consider. That is give up the option of using whatever means to defend yourself.
 
Would you sit down and sign an agreement to not own a means of defending your family? Keep in mind you now live in Compton, Ca. Understanding of course the police agree to come as soon as they can. If you get shot, while watching your wife and children being raped and tortured, they will of course send for an ambulance too.
 
Would it be wrong to own a 1911and a few mags and a couple hundred rounds of ammo? How about a short barreled shotgun with an extended mag tube. Maybe you and the wife goto a training facility. What about beefing up security around the place perhaps a defendable position from which to fight if it comes down to a Alamo scenario. Now would it be wrong to have interlacing fire positions?
 
Where do you stop, where do you begin?  You have to determine the validity of the threat. Compton, Ca. is a pretty lousy place, so is Isreil. If I lived in Compton, Ca. a couple of claymore mines might sound real comforting, the neighbors opinions be damned. From my secure little house on the prarie it sure sound ridiculous.
 

[BBF]

Just exactly where would these U-Boats be cruising around?  What other countries are earmarked for nuke attacks besides Iran?
Any ME country would be advised to get up to date anti sub aircraft ASAP. The Dolphin class boats are not nuclear powered so they got to come up for air much more often, at least I think so.
 
As far as Germany violating that treaty, yup, shame, on the other hand if a guy has you in an arm bar you can't really do much other then tap out.
Typical Israeli tactic: You Germans owe us forever !!

[Nuke41]

For the fleet!
.TM7

500 MT combined throw weight would be greater than 10 US Trident D5 boats.  I'm still waiting for the "report" you mentioned that would indicate a 500 MT combined throw weight for the Israeli Dolphin fleet.
 

[Graybeard]

You two end your pissing contest NOW!