Author Topic: how the heck do you....... (Read 1196 times)

rookie · « **on:** February 03, 2004, 10:26:08 AM »

I was just wondering how most of u guys get yotes to come into howling. Every time me and my buddies go out and try we almost always get em to respond but we're still yet to see one. Some times there really close and won't budge an inch...just keep howling till they get bored i guess and leave. Sometimes there'll be several different groups calling back and forth with us and still nothing. I'm kind of getting frustrated but everytime i hear them howl back i get all the confidense back...that is until they don't come in. Me and the guys are seeing who can get a coyote first so every response will be GREAT.

DirtyHarry · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2004, 03:39:33 PM »

Rookie,
Personally I only use howling for locating purposes, I get them in with some type of distress call and/or a distress call plus decoy if the situation permits.

trappenjoe · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2004, 04:10:16 PM »

Rookie
howling is an art,,, when I call I howl once no more . wait 5 to 10 minutes
then go to your distres call . when you get them yotes to answer you,
and you howl again they will make you out . like i said howling is an art
that when over used , turns the yotes skittish for the rest of us. try to find someone that is good and ask if you can join him . remember less is good
Thats my 2 cents and it's not worth much..

trappenjoe :wink:

oso45-70 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2004, 06:16:29 PM »

Rookie, when you say the yote's howling is it after you make a call ?
If thats the case they are wise to you, some one has been calling them and missing with their shots, If they start that howling you need to find another place to call, If when you go into a area and find a place that looks good ,, sit down and get your self ready but wait at least five or ten min's before you start calling, Start your call and for about thirty to forty five seconds, then wait for another five min's, and repeat this five or six times, Most people call too often and too long, I know it's hard to sit there and wait but it pays off in the long run. Make sure you are well hidden and be still,, that is the main thing, Hope this helps rookie, Best of luck, it's a great sport, I have enjoyed it for fifty five years, there is nothing like it.

Best Wishe's Joe

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2004, 07:52:22 PM »

Rookie
When they answer back, I like to see if there is an older dominate male in the pack. You can usually tell this because he will be throwing a few barks in with the howls.
When this happens I pour it on pretty hard alternating two to three barks in between howls. What happens here is that you are challenging the dominate male.
There can be alot of variation here. Some times I might even answer myself then go to distress. Coyotes cannot stand to miss a fight and will readily respond.

I have been doing this since 1987 and got all of my info From BILL AUSTIN. Bill is gone now but his calls and excellent cassette can still be purchased at allpredatorcalls.com

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2004, 05:55:50 AM »

Continued to Rookie...forgot how to edit :oops:

Dirty Harry & Trappen Joe also have good advice: When you get a response within 400-500 yards it is time to shutup. The coyote might be looking you in the eye in just a few minuets.

OSO 45-70 is also correct. A dominate male might not answer you. He will come in looking for a fight though.
Again:Paient is the key, there is alot of senario's which can make this seem like an art form like joe was saying. I like to refer to this as language. Each phase has different senarios depending on what you want to do and what works best for you.

Long Howl---Locate
Barks & shorter howl's--I hear you but cant find you, where are you?
Alot of barks with short howls--Hey, I am dominate here, I have come to take over your area!
Distress--A fight is taking place and the yotes know it. They cant stand to miss a fight and will come in.
Distress--Call the ones that got away right back to you.

Bill Austin covers this very well with more detail on his cassette.

rookie · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2004, 10:11:13 AM »

Wow i've been goin at this all wrong. I'd start calling and if i didn't get a response then i'd move and start again....when i'd moved is usually when they'd start howling back. Glanceblamm what do u mean by distress call( haven't been doing this very long sorry)? And dirtyharry once u have one located do u wait for a while and then use a distress call in the same spot or do u relocate a little closer and then start calling? i was talkin to one of the guys around my house and he said that was a definate no.... but then again he's never been yote hunting ever.

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2004, 05:46:05 AM »

If you have ever heard an injured dog running down the street you have heard the distress call.
YIIIIIIII
YIIIIIIII
YIIIIIIII

It is loud and 3 to 4 seconds in duration. You make it by using your teeth near the end of the reed, biting down harder, and working the last 1/2 inch or so. Takes just abit of practice but you will pick it up quickly.

60 sec is a long time to do this when calling the ones that got away back. I have seen them run right back to the downed yote. Sometimes, landscape permitting, you can follow stopping at some midway point & repeat the distress.

trappenjoe · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2004, 04:10:29 PM »

Once you start your call , don't move . thats where alot of mistakes are made. I know it's hard not to get excited but just sit there for a minutto see what is on their minds,food , fight , If they keep barking and you havent moved their out for a fight , now if they are quite start your disstres , and be ready for any bird , or squirle bark they will tell you when
a yote is coming
joe

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2004, 05:07:27 AM »

Trappenjoe

Thanks for your very good tip on misting with 50/50.

Rookie
You have probably read this in Joe's post. It involved spraying surrounding trees/brush with 50/50 mix coyote urine & water.
The coyote can be sooo wary at times, that doing this or using a decoy can make all the difference in the world.
The only thing that I might add to this is to use local water whether it be from a stream or pond.

rookie · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2004, 10:41:28 AM »

well thank u all for the advice. I'm headin out tonight to try my luck again and i think i'll try that misting method trappenjoe was talkin about. thanx again

trappenjoe · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2004, 02:19:22 PM »

Well rookie did it work

? Now on your misting if you call in a young
mail he might be intimidated by the urine . I had some luck today. I got
one , but there was 2 there just couldn't get on #2 .

rookie · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2004, 03:35:56 PM »

Well joe i went out friday night just as the sun set and it wasn't that bad for wind. I got set up and everything in place and waited for a few minutes. I didn't use the misting way yet because i still have to pick some urine up but i did try a howl and got one response from a lone yote and i think every dog in the neighbor hood. So after the the yote responded i waited for about 2-3 minutes or so and tried a few barks back to him. I waited for almost 30 minutes( it was a beautiiful night out so sittin there wasn't a problem for me) without barking at all and then tried a few distress calls. But before i could finish my second round the wind really picked up and so i just left. I got a response tho and to me that's enough to keep me goin.

trappenjoe · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2004, 03:37:20 PM »

Hope it turns out for you . Sounds like your doing ok, I don't call at night
can't help you there . Are you hunting that close to houses?

Well good luck. Little Joe

dangerranger · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2004, 11:30:19 PM »

When there shy I sometimes use a decoy.the kids had a toy called "Cat in a bag". its a motorised ball with a tail atached .you put it in a grocery bag and it flops around like an animal being eaten.I put it out, call a few times and just watch.I had one dog come in from behind me that was so hooked he walked within 20 ft of me. I shot him from the south end as he was headed north.I used to hunt with a guy that used a stuffed sock . he tied a string over a branch to make it dance.more than once a dog grabed it. Even in open country they seem to sneek in so that you may have called one up but just didnt see them. a decoy gives them something to look at other than you.

Wlscott · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2004, 05:18:03 AM »

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If you have ever heard an injured dog running down the street you have heard the distress call.
YIIIIIIII
YIIIIIIII
YIIIIIIII

It is loud and 3 to 4 seconds in duration. You make it by using your teeth near the end of the reed, biting down harder, and working the last 1/2 inch or so. Takes just abit of practice but you will pick it up quickly

The absolute BEST call I have found for making pup squeals is the Sceery Cow Elk call. I stumbled onto it by accident while hunting elk last year. The Tally Ho also makes pretty good pup squeals, just a little lower pitched.

One other thing I'll mention is that pup squeals work great for stopping a #2 dog after you've shot the #1 dog. When that second dogs lights out after you shoot the first one, hit the pup squeals and it'll usually stop and give you a shot.

coyote sniper · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2004, 12:15:46 PM »

I love to howl yotes in. I usually start out with an invitation howl, which is long. After a few minutes, i will then do a few challenge howls, which are short and have barks between the howls. If i don't get anything in with those, then i switch to my Pee Wee from Crit'R Calls. I do a challenge howl with this call, which sounds like a young dog challenging the dominant dog in the area. This usually really pisses the older dogs off.

ONLY do this if you know there is a dominant dog in the area though!!!

After i do the last challenge howl, then i wait about 10 min and start up with my distress calls. Maybe throwing in some crows calls with the distress. Coyotes will follow crows and crow calls in order to find an easy meal. Hope that helps you out.