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Where is the 300 AAC ?
« on: June 21, 2012, 04:32:26 PM »
OK, it is June, almost July. Has anyone actually seen and handled one ? Unless they make a 32/20, this still sounds theoretically the best small game, plinking, quiet, inexpensive reloading round in years. I am still hopeful, and waiting for info.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2012, 04:35:47 PM »
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 01:07:23 PM »
Ok, thanks. I find that my 357 is my most used rifle, followed by the Hornet. The Hornet is just a bit light and long range for some apps. (34 gr is best shooter) and the 357 a bit much for some ( 140 gr best) I keep hoping for one in that 80 to 100 gr range. Loading down a 30/30 just dont cut it for me, and you cant shrink a chamber very easily.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 04:32:21 PM »
For what it's worth, on the front page of the Savage website, they announce that they have discontinued development of any rifles in this chambering. They can't get acceptable accuracy with the 200 gr. bullet; as the "accuracy people", no way will Savage let inaccurate rifles out the door. Remember, the whole rationale to start with was highly accurate heavy bullets going suppressed.
This is a whole weird story, JDJ trademarking the 300 Whisper and only allowing licensed use, with AAC going to SAAMI with basicly the same cartridge with a diffenert name and a different throat.

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 04:53:34 PM »


   One slight difference, the .300 Whisper is based on the 221 Fireball brass. The Blackout uses .223 Remington.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2012, 03:00:35 AM »
I don't think that is right Rusty.  I have both and they are virtually identical.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2012, 05:44:49 AM »
The AAC is on a 221 case as developed, of course you can make them out of 222,222 mag, 223 cases. One of the main reasons I would like to have one is that you could use all of those plus 357, 360 DW, and Maxi cases once you cut a rim slot. I never figured to shoot suppressed loads, but light weight 85-100 gr jacketed 32's and 98-115 gr gr cast as in my 32/20 pistol. I have heard that they did have reasonable accuracy with the light loads.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 10:38:28 AM »
THere is always another way to skin a cat.  Green Mountain lists 300 AAC barrel blanks for $33, not in stock yet but supposedly soon.  (I would verify the twist rate and bore etc. as they didn't list it.)  Rent a 300 AAC reamer from 4D, fire up your lathe and do a liner or stub job and you will have your 300 AAC.

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 01:48:25 PM »
May have to go for stub, I am no machinist, have no equipment though, and need a rim cut so I could use 357 cases also. I will keep a close watch, thanks for the info.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 11:09:00 PM »

I'll bet the Handi 300BLK's are shipping, or at least the dealers are being invoiced.

Several on-line dealers are adding and modifying their listings.


...Oh!, and the prices are going up!!

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2012, 12:39:50 PM »
Coming soon  ;) ;D ::)
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 07:19:48 AM »

   This from the SSK website.

   Whispers are based on the .221 Fireball.

300 Whisper ® Whispers®: A wide range of calibers encompass the ‘Whisper®’ series of cartridges. A “Whisper®” cartridge must be capable of sub-sonic extreme accuracy with very heavy bullets for its caliber; i.e. 240 grains in 30, as well as moderate to high velocity while maintaining excellent accuracy with light bullets for the caliber; i.e. 125 at 2300 FPS in 30. The 300 Whisper® was the first of the series, and, contrary to what you may have read about it, the fact of the matter is the cartridge was designed as a multi-purpose cartridge from the beginning. Its design parameters, in addition to the ballistics quoted above, were that it must be capable of being used in the AR-15/M-16 family of rifles, Contenders and bolt action rifles as well as being easily suppressed. I know that because I invented it. It revolutionized the tactical suppressed sub-sonic field in controllability in full auto, power and accuracy. It has been very successful and has gained wide acceptance as a hunting round for mid-size game, such as deer, and has probably taken a wider variety of game than any other handgun cartridge in the same time span. Due to its small case capacity, its recoil is very mild. One Whisper® series from 6 mm, 6.5 mm, 7mm, 300 and 338 is based on the 221 fireball case. Another series is based on the 7 BR case in 338, 375 and 416 caliber to convert 308 case head size actions. Another used the 460 Weatherby case for 50 caliber conversions to 300 Win Mag case head size rifles. Others use rimmed cases, such as the 50-70-750, for use in single shots.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2012, 02:24:33 PM »

   This from the SSK website.

   Whispers are based on the .221 Fireball.
... And the .221 is based on the .223, so it amounts to the same thing. If you're worried about neck thickness from brass formed from .223, don't. The SSK .300 Whisper barrel I bought 7 or 8 years ago works just fine with .223-based brass without neck turning.

And the formed brass I bought direct from SSK was all made from LC 5.56 brass as well.

I've used .223, 5.56, and .221 brass and have not found one that is appreciably more accurate than any other.

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2012, 01:18:55 PM »

   This from the SSK website.

   Whispers are based on the .221 Fireball.

300 Whisper ® Whispers®: A wide range of calibers encompass the ‘Whisper®’ series of cartridges. A “Whisper®” cartridge must be capable of sub-sonic extreme accuracy with very heavy bullets for its caliber; i.e. 240 grains in 30, as well as moderate to high velocity while maintaining excellent accuracy with light bullets for the caliber; i.e. 125 at 2300 FPS in 30. The 300 Whisper® was the first of the series, and, contrary to what you may have read about it, the fact of the matter is the cartridge was designed as a multi-purpose cartridge from the beginning. Its design parameters, in addition to the ballistics quoted above, were that it must be capable of being used in the AR-15/M-16 family of rifles, Contenders and bolt action rifles as well as being easily suppressed. I know that because I invented it. It revolutionized the tactical suppressed sub-sonic field in controllability in full auto, power and accuracy. It has been very successful and has gained wide acceptance as a hunting round for mid-size game, such as deer, and has probably taken a wider variety of game than any other handgun cartridge in the same time span. Due to its small case capacity, its recoil is very mild. One Whisper® series from 6 mm, 6.5 mm, 7mm, 300 and 338 is based on the 221 fireball case. Another series is based on the 7 BR case in 338, 375 and 416 caliber to convert 308 case head size actions. Another used the 460 Weatherby case for 50 caliber conversions to 300 Win Mag case head size rifles. Others use rimmed cases, such as the 50-70-750, for use in single shots.

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 OMG.. (Insert sarcasm) Is this a suggestion that a RIMMED case might be better used in a single shot rifle???  PERISH the thought...  ::) ::) ::) Where do people get these ideas?? (Remove sarcasm)

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 04:02:22 PM »
Baa-da-Dumpf....... RIM SHOT, ;D ;) OK OK, we know what we can make them out of..... has anyone actually seen a real one, outside of their nocturnal hallucinations ?? What I want is confirmation they exist..... a range report...... a picture......otherwise they are just like Sasquatch.........they only exist in Jacks Links commercials and special effects. If I can find one, I can put a RIM on it  8) ::)
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2012, 08:01:18 PM »
Gendoc,
 OMG.. (Insert sarcasm) Is this a suggestion that a RIMMED case might be better used in a single shot rifle???  PERISH the thought...  ::) ::) ::) Where do people get these ideas?? (Remove sarcasm)

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I first learned a preference for rimmed cartridges in a T/C 30 years ago, (but not in XP's, obviously).


....so I would submit that rimmed cases are better in break open actions.


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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2012, 12:37:07 AM »
im at tha coppertop bar shoot'n scene.

i'll defend MODS later
sea-ya.....
in tha meen time, i'm wait'n for tha  7th trumpet ta sound !!!

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2012, 03:55:08 AM »
Gendoc,
 OMG.. (Insert sarcasm) Is this a suggestion that a RIMMED case might be better used in a single shot rifle???  PERISH the thought...  ::) ::) ::) Where do people get these ideas?? (Remove sarcasm)

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I first learned a preference for rimmed cartridges in a T/C 30 years ago, (but not in XP's, obviously).


....so I would submit that rimmed cases are better in break open actions.


...respectfully.  [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] (That means none intended!)

I agree with you my friend!

John on the other hand has another opinion on the matter... Comeon back later. He will have a retort I am certain. ;)

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2012, 10:04:23 AM »
I understand the part about you dont want to use 90 something to 115 bullets in a downloaded 30-30 case, but it does actually achieve the result you want; so for those interested in the concept and ready to go for results, give it a go.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2012, 11:11:00 AM »
im at tha coppertop bar shoot'n scene.

i'll defend MODS later

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2012, 11:29:32 AM »
Gendoc,
 OMG.. (Insert sarcasm) Is this a suggestion that a RIMMED case might be better used in a single shot rifle???  PERISH the thought...  ::) ::) ::) Where do people get these ideas?? (Remove sarcasm)

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I first learned a preference for rimmed cartridges in a T/C 30 years ago, (but not in XP's, obviously).


....so I would submit that rimmed cases are better in break open actions.


...respectfully.  [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] (That means none intended!)

I agree with you my friend!

John on the other hand has another opinion on the matter... Comeon back later. He will have a retort I am certain. ;)

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so tha blackout will handle a heavier bullet thana "39" ??  so what !! whats 20gr when you can
do anythin with tha 7.62x39, much less anathang close in comparison !!.
  if you know what yur doin... i know i do.
far asa rim goes......... ::)   i cud care less what yalls favorite assumptions and opinions are.
there are too many handi folks that are happy with there rimless, and prolly there are more folks happy with there rims.
 
its justa majority thin........ no real evidence.... no real justice.
rim or shoulder  and even both !!
headspace isa headspace no matter what you make of it, or shud i say.... what you can do about it ;) ;) !!
 
don't say you ain't never heard or hada prollum with yur rims.....  its there, but no one will admit it.
 
i have seen it, had it, experianced it.  but you know, i've overcame it.  same as with rimless.
 
only thang required isa little more time work'n with your problem chamberins.
and if it can't be taught to respond to yur like'n...... throw ita way !!!
 
if you think you gotha perfect rifle ............then the next person will condem it as junk !!
 
it is written....for every negative there isa positive.  and in this case, vise-versa.
 
i for one don't need no-one to put words in my mouth based on assumptions.
cause i'll speak my mind with tha best of'um................................................................................... 8)
 
 
 
 
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2012, 12:06:22 PM »
im at tha coppertop bar shoot'n scene.

i'll defend MODS later

Doc,
 
I envy your "Swamp" but not your day job.  Pickin' up the pieces after someone shoots 17 people with a black gun can't be much fun. :'(
 
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you make it sound like clean-up detail..... :o
got tha call between 1 - 2 am this morn'n.....hit tha road spin'n wheels ;D
4 hours (i drive slow) ::)
i gatherd lottsa gud stuff to take back to tha lab..... ya know tha media blows ever thin outta tha loop.
but thats kind good tho.........cuz my findins won't mean much till tha day they put water in tha pool !!!
 
tha media and a few folks here have alot in common......its kinda like tha "assumption thang"............
i enjoy my work greatly ;D i will never retire.......i'll be planted first 8)
sea-ya.....
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gotta big green tractor ana diesel truck, my idea of heaven's chasin whitetail bucks and asa country boy, you know i can survive............

hey boy, hit this mason jar one time...
burn ya lil'bit did'nt it. ya ever been snipe hunt'n ?  come on...

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2012, 03:06:01 PM »
OK, now that the folksy bar shootin' thang is over..........

It is up to the last week of July. Anybody seen one yet? Had one in hand? Heard of someone who knows someone who has a relative that once saw one??? :o ::)
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2012, 03:42:56 AM »
..somebody needs a snickers bar ;D


...this thread isn't going anywhere for a while anyway, they haven't shipped yet!!


I'm watching the industry, as soon as the 300blk Handi's come out, I will be crowing  like a rooster at 3am on Sunday.

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2012, 04:15:07 AM »
There were some of us shooters standin' around the barbie the other day and just chattin' about this & that; some particular questions came up, got some answers, got off on a tangent, stirred the pot over there a while and circled back, and nobody got ruffled (or even pringled). Thats the way it goes with friends that are often closer than family.
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Strictly on topic now: With a 30-30 I dont need or want a 300 AAC, so I wont be buying one and FWIW, I dont think its gonna be a barn burner in sales either. Get it while you can, if you can, they wont be around long.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2012, 06:18:16 AM »



             Try this blog for a photo of the H&R 300 AAC Blackout.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2012, 12:27:37 PM »
I was in no financial shape to buy a Marlin CL in 32/20 or 25/20 when they came out, and I dont want the expense and trouble involved in stubbing a 32/20 now. They dont have to be out for long. And no, I am not pouring 10 gr of unique in a 30/30 and call it good. They dont have to be popular with anyone but ME, as long as I am the one buying. ;)
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2012, 01:06:17 PM »
Sounds like cranks buddies to me:
....one doesn't want a 300blk,
....and one does.


...and each of you have a lot of people who agree with you.


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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2012, 01:48:29 PM »
I would say that, if Savage can't make that round shoot in their bolt guns, that H&R doesn't stand a prayer of getting it to hit a paper plate at 50 yards.  Larry
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2012, 02:07:44 PM »
I just wish this round would hurry up and flop so guys will stop talking about it. ;)
 
 
 
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