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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2012, 02:44:44 PM »
Quote from: trotterlg on July 23, 2012, 01:48:29 PM
I would say that, if Savage can't make that round shoot in their bolt guns, that H&R doesn't stand a prayer of getting it to hit a paper plate at 50 yards.  Larry
"Savage was going to offer a 300 Blackout rifle, but they said they could not get good accuracy out of subsonic loads, so they have dropped it. "" This exhaustive testing left us quite unsatisfied with the accuracy we were able to get from the subsonic loads in this chambering. Accuracy with the lighter, faster loads in this caliber was actually quite good. "

"Savage used 1:10 twist and 20 inch barrels - about the two worst decisions imaginable. 1:10 is not stable with 220 and 20 inch makes subsonic go transonic." (R Silvers for AAC)

If Silvers information is correct, Savage had a tumbling bullet going subsonic between the muzzle and the target.  I think the surprise would be if they hit a paper plate.


Remington out-sourced the barrels to get 1:7.5" twist.



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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2012, 03:25:51 PM »
I know you can probably do some great calculation, but, somehow I think Savage engineers probably have a little more experience in how to make a rifle shoot most anything that can be sent down the barrel.  If the subsonic load cannot be made to shoot with accuracy in a Savage then I think there is a snow ball's chance in He** of getting it to shoot in a break action rifle.  If you want a round to shoot 30 cal supersonic then there are about a thousand of them out there and we don't really need a new one.  Larry
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2012, 04:58:34 PM »
Truthfully, I did not want a new one, I wanted a very old one, but it ain't happenin". SO. I am not interested in subsonic, nor paying nosebleed prices for a silencer and the registry etc. Whatever I shoot at supersonic will be dead before it hears the shot anyway. My 32/20 contender barrel will shoot nickel sized groups at 50 yards with a 10" barrel from a machine rest and 85 gr .312 hornadys through a 308 barrel. I cannot hold a pistol that steady, you cant put a decent scope on a 10" barrel, and if I stick a stock on it it would be illegal. A 16.1 inch light weight synthetic stock carbine sounds really good. One of the "Trapper" 357's would not be bad, but I am happy with my std 357 and dont want to cut it, and I would like to be able to use my 32/20 cast bullets, as well as lighter jacketed bullets . It is just a thing. Just like rims and redheads, some things just turn you on ::) ;D
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2012, 07:33:53 PM »
Quote from: trotterlg on July 23, 2012, 03:25:51 PM
..... I think Savage engineers probably have a little more experience in how to make a rifle shoot most anything that can be sent down the barrel....


I'm quite sure that Savage has some fine engineers.
If you understand Dilbert, you know that engineers sometimes have to stand by and watch while the wrong decision is made for the wrong reason.


I think time will provide the answer to this one.


...as for me, I didn't want to shoot subsonics anyway, and Savage says the 300blk is good for what twoshooter and I want it for.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2012, 02:44:55 AM »
Years ago in Gun Digest I read about a guy that made up the 30 Apache, a 223 necked to take 30 cal. bullets. They were not subsonics but used, IIRC, a regular 30 cal barrel, and worked wonderfully. I also do not think anything was said about trying light 30 cal bullets as they were interested in longer range accuracy; ie, better BC projectiles. I could see using a 223 barrel and a bore/rifling to your spec job and rethroating if these factory rifles dont hit the market.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2012, 02:55:55 AM »
A 308 stubbed to itself should be perfect for twoshooter and me, but I would have to make nice to Larry before mine would happen.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2012, 06:09:39 AM »
Quote from: ibgp3 on July 24, 2012, 02:55:55 AM
A 308 stubbed to itself should be perfect for twoshooter and me, but I would have to make nice to Larry before mine would happen.
A shortened .308 has been around a bit.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2012, 09:33:03 AM »
Sorry, to be clear:
   ...a 308 stubbed to itself and chambered in 300BLK rimmed (for me) or 32/20 (for twoshooter)....


To me, the point of stubbing a barrel to itself is to wind up with no chamber, not a shortened version of what you started with.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2012, 02:29:09 PM »
Hey Boys,,,,,,,,,, I;m BBAAAAACCCCCCKK!!! OK, where did Jason get the 300AAC he listed in his 30/30 AI thread, and where is the range report and the pics HMMM?? Isnt there some kind of unwritten code about Pics ???? I posted a pic of a 300AAC rimmed  and it doesn't even EXIST yet. C'mon bro......
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2012, 05:42:37 PM »
Quote from: ibgp3 on July 23, 2012, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: trotterlg on July 23, 2012, 01:48:29 PM
I would say that, if Savage can't make that round shoot in their bolt guns, that H&R doesn't stand a prayer of getting it to hit a paper plate at 50 yards.  Larry
"Savage was going to offer a 300 Blackout rifle, but they said they could not get good accuracy out of subsonic loads, so they have dropped it. "" This exhaustive testing left us quite unsatisfied with the accuracy we were able to get from the subsonic loads in this chambering. Accuracy with the lighter, faster loads in this caliber was actually quite good. "

"Savage used 1:10 twist and 20 inch barrels - about the two worst decisions imaginable. 1:10 is not stable with 220 and 20 inch makes subsonic go transonic." (R Silvers for AAC)

If Silvers information is correct, Savage had a tumbling bullet going subsonic between the muzzle and the target.  I think the surprise would be if they hit a paper plate.


Remington out-sourced the barrels to get 1:7.5" twist.


Yes, and what make me mad is Savage starts acting like snobs. I mean what? they no see their bolt?  ;D
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2012, 05:43:48 PM »
Quote from: twoshooter on August 03, 2012, 02:29:09 PM
Hey Boys,,,,,,,,,, I;m BBAAAAACCCCCCKK!!! OK, where did Jason get the 300AAC he listed in his 30/30 AI thread, and where is the range report and the pics HMMM?? Isnt there some kind of unwritten code about Pics ??? ? I posted a pic of a 300AAC rimmed  and it doesn't even EXIST yet. C'mon bro......


So someone actually have one here?  I was thinking December if you go by AAC time.  ;D
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2012, 07:22:10 AM »
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2012, 05:07:06 PM »
You definately cant use mag brass for 300 rimmed, to much jump to rifling.  Max brass is a must and you better anneal it first or it will split.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2012, 08:49:38 AM »
Well, that stinks if it holds true with all brands, and possibly will require longer bullets, or just seating them insanely far out for accuracy. Thanks for the info and please keep us up to date on your range results. This does not dissuade me from possibly wanting one, but it will require some additional thought. If accurate higher speed loads with light bullets are possible then it is still very much on, unless they have a psychotic episode and make a 32/20, or 256 Winchester or something. My target remains an 75-100 gr bullet at 1600 to 2200 fps, preferably under- but up to 30 cal. Something to fill the gap between my Hornet and my 357.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2012, 02:46:03 PM »
Here is a 220 rn loaded to max length, base of bullet is flush with shoulder of brass. This is max brass resized and trimmed to 300 aac blackout. Should get to shoot it in next couple days
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM »
They shipped today, but I am not an advertiser so I can't post links, photos, or list the final feature set they ended up with.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2012, 01:43:01 PM »
YES!! Thanks for the info. Hopefully there will be some quick range reports here, I am keeping a close eye on it.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2012, 02:20:07 PM »
I got my notice of mine being shipped today.   Now I need a scope and time to get on the reloading machine.
I have found this round to be plenty accurate in my 15 platform using both supersonic and sub sonic ammo.   Not sub MOA , but then I am not a MOA shooter.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2012, 03:41:18 PM »
I'm going to place an order for one this weekend.  I missed that NEF was producing a rifle chambered for the .300aac.  I am excite!
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2012, 04:09:57 PM »
A few people have already brought them home from Bulls Eye In Lawrencville GA. I have seen a few pictures posted up already. I dont know if this is old news or not but aperantly they are finding their way into the stores.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2012, 05:30:26 PM »
I cannot go for full MSRP + Tax + Shipping + FFL transfer fee......... however, if one shows up in my neck of the woods it is gone.
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2012, 04:49:03 AM »
Quote from: Singleshotsam on August 15, 2012, 03:41:18 PM
I'm going to place an order for one this weekend.  I missed that NEF was producing a rifle chambered for the .300aac.  I am excite!

There is no NEF, hasn't been for several years, just H&R.  ;)

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2012, 07:09:13 AM »
Good catch Quick lol!  That's a hard habit to break ;)
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2012, 07:59:21 AM »
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2012, 01:17:34 AM »
 
 
 
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2012, 01:50:57 AM »
Quote from: Spanky on July 23, 2012, 02:07:44 PM
I just wish this round would hurry up and flop so guys will stop talking about it. ;)
 
 
 
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2012, 02:18:58 AM »
What is the difference talking about this round compared to everything else that gets brought up every day on here.  Just about every day someone talks about the 357 max using small rifle primers, large firing pin, what barrels you can put on what frame, o ring on the forearm,head space and the list goes on. So why does talking about this round bother some of you
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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2012, 02:29:50 AM »
Quote from: Jason F on August 17, 2012, 02:18:58 AM
What is the difference talking about this round compared to everything else that gets brought up every day on here.  Just about every day someone talks about the 357 max using small rifle primers, large firing pin, what barrels you can put on what frame, o ring on the forearm,head space and the list goes on. So why does talking about this round bother some of you

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Re: Where is the 300 AAC ?
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2012, 05:54:41 AM »
I understand being happiest with something to gripe about; I get that way some times.
BUT!!!
   as many times as I have seen it on various gun forums, I don't understand:


"My favorite cartridge is the only one worth having.
    ...and if you want another one you're a fool."


I guess that attitude is why so many forums are centered around one cartridge.
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