An honor to be a foodstamp president.

[powderman]

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reagancoalition.com%2Farticles%2F2012%2F20120227005-rev-jesse-jackson.html&h=QAQGvPKzkAQFwH7ksAzBpg-UTnWVo1fazn9GFolmqRmpRmA
 
 
Says the righteous rev jesse bragging on obummer. POWDERMAN. 

[DDZ]

In this depression I got a feeling there's 40 million people and families thanking the good lord for food stamp assistance..
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...TM7

Do you think all of the food stamp people are thankful to the tax payers? Do you think most of them even know its other peoples money feeding them. How many feel they are entitled to it?

Why go find a job when the government is feeding, clothing, and housing you. Thankful? I doubt very many are. Its just a lifestyle.   

[powderman]

In this depression I got a feeling there's 40 million people and families thanking the good lord for food stamp assistance..
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...TM7

Do you think all of the food stamp people are thankful to the tax payers? Do you think most of them even know its other peoples money feeding them. How many feel they are entitled to it?

Why go find a job when the government is feeding, clothing, and housing you. Thankful? I doubt very many are. Its just a lifestyle.   

 
DDZ. Good post Sir. Some really do need help, but it also buys obummer a lot of votes. I have no prob with folks that really need them, unfortunately theres a lot of fraud and waste. POWDERMAN. 

[DDZ]

I can think of no better way for a power hungry government to transfer more power to the state, than make people rely on that government for their necessities. How is the food stamp program any good at all when you see people use food stamps then walk out and get into an expensive car? Or why do people get food stamps that have cable or satellite TV, or smart phones. There are people on the government dole that are living better than some people that work 40 hours a week, and receive nothing from the government.   
The point is that any program that government runs, there is corruption, waste, and inefficiency along with it. Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but I believe Obama does have an evil heart, he wants to get reelected because of the power that goes with it, along with the hopes of becoming a dictator.
You can believe all you want that government is handing out goodies to help people because they care about them.
I think its a big fat fallacy. Its all about transferring power, and only that.
In case you haven't noticed government has been transferring power from the people to themselves for a good number of years now. Whether its in the name of helping people, or in the name of keeping us safe, or in the name of keeping us from getting fat. Government will run this country into the ground, if they think it will gain them more power, and that is just what is happening. Obama hates what America stands for, and is hell bent on changing that.

[yellowtail3]

food stamps - do you actually get 'stamps'? - are probably much appreciated by folks out of work, where things are getting very tight.

Psssst.... program hasn't been food stamps for while. For the literate among us, see
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10101.html#a0=0

I know I'd appreciate them, if I were in need of them. I've been out of work, and I've been where things are very tight; probably other here have, too (or maybe not).

Would it be a moral failure for someone to accept gov't assistance for food?
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back to it: how is it that President Obama is a 'foodstamp president'?

[powderman]

The point is that any program that government runs, there is corruption, waste, and inefficiency along with it. Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but I believe Obama does have an evil heart, he wants to get reelected because of the power that goes with it, along with the hopes of becoming a dictator.

 
DDZ. Evil perfectly describes obama and those who support him. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

DDZ. Evil perfectly describes obama and those who support him. POWDERMAN. 

Powderman, seriously... you really believe that anyone who supports President Obama - votes for him? - is evil?

That would mean that most voting Americans are evil.


yikes!

[kynardsj]

yellowtail3, I'll put my 2 cents in on that , they're not necessarily evil, just stupid to help that POS destroy this nation. If enough of the ones that want the government to do everything, control everything and give them everything while they sit on their a** vote him back in then this nation is on a one way trip to Hell. Obama wants power and doesn't give a crap about this nation or it's people.

[DDZ]

food stamps - do you actually get 'stamps'? - are probably much appreciated by folks out of work, where things are getting very tight.

Psssst.... program hasn't been food stamps for while. For the literate among us, see
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10101.html#a0=0

I know I'd appreciate them, if I were in need of them. I've been out of work, and I've been where things are very tight; probably other here have, too (or maybe not).

Would it be a moral failure for someone to accept gov't assistance for food?
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back to it: how is it that President Obama is a 'foodstamp president'?

I think pretty much everyone knows that stamps are not used anymore. Its just the term is used because it was the original.  It was just in the news not long ago where it was found out that people were selling their food debit cards for cash and then saying they lost their card and a new one was sent in the mail. Thus they would continue doing it. Now they are able to just sell their card three times before any questions are asked.

If anyone thinks that the government should be the giver of food after taking money from other people, then there really is no argument. It all comes down to what each of us think the government should or should not be doing. The government is delegated very limited, and very specific powers by the Constitution. Providing food assistance is not one of them. Nor does the Constitution anywhere authorize the government to have anything to do with food. Cracks me up how people complain about government over stepping their Constitutional boundaries, then applaud the fact that government is the giver of food.
Taking money from one group of Americans and giving it to another is immoral. It doesn't matter what the purpose of the taking is. Redistributing wealth from one person or group to another person or group for any reason is just plain wrong. The food give away program is just another redistribution scheme, that has support because of pictures of starving children put forth by its proponents.
The fact is that government simply has no business being involved in any way with feeding people, fighting hunger, providing nutritional guidelines, regulating or subsidizing agriculture, combating obesity, or making sure children don't go to bed hungry. People have become so accustomed to government doing everything, that it is seen as what they are supposed to do, and that is just how government wants us to think. Again it has not a thing to do with feeding hungry people, but everything to do with gaining power over those very same people.

Yes Obama is a food stamp president, along with many others in the past. I guess he got the title because so many have joined the redistribution scheme since his election.           

[DDZ]

  There's a lot of other things to level your sights on then feeding the unemployed and homeless under class.
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...TM7

Thats right, but this thread is about the food give away program. Dare I call it the food stamp program. Just because there are other things the government does that are wrong, does not make it right, or grant the government power to distribute food to who they think need it. It doesn't just stop at food either. There are all kinds of goodies the government has no business distributing. How is it right that some can choose which parts of the Constitution are ok for the government to circumvent? If we choose to not abide by some of the Constitution, what good is the rest of it? I guess that is just what is happening. If part of it doesn't matter, the rest doesn't either. It stems from people thinking that government should be a giver, by taking from others. I don't care what angle you look at it from, its plainly wrong.
The people in this country used to take care of each other. That is until government decided they would steal the givers money, and do the giving themselves.

[powderman]

Yes Obama is a food stamp president, along with many others in the past. I guess he got the title because so many have joined the redistribution scheme since his election.           

 
YEP, the ranks are growing daily as he destroys job after job. POWDERMAN. 

[scootrd]

My biological father died when I was young , My mother like most of that generation was a stay at home mom. When my dad died , she had to get a menial jobs and put herself through night school to educate herself while raising 3 kids on her own and trying to keep a roof over our heads so we would not be fostered out. We had to go on food stamps. 

My mom was always embarrassed to have to use food stamps and govt assistance programs during that time.
She finally graduated and went to work in a bank doing accounting and we were able to leave the program.

I bet most who comment here have know idea what it means to be truly hungry ( not the occasional skipped meal crap)
I mean down in your gut hungry . If it wasn't for the school lunch program and food assistance we would not have made it and there would have been many times we would not even had a meal.

If you have never been there , you should all keep your stupid comments to yourselves. for the occasional folks who abuse
there are multitudes who don't. It's a temporary hand up for most and it may be the only lifeline thread helping to keep a family together, it's not a hand out as many like to point a finger at the minority who may be abusing.

If you all are worried or so concerned about abuse in the system , then fix the system so the program operates more efficiently. It's a vital program. Some folks on GB who post are just plain ignorant.  If I was called a food stamp president I would gladly wear it as a badge of Honor.

Matthew 25:35
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,

Issiah 58:20
If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.

Proverbs 28:27
Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.

Proverbs 14:31
Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

Matthew 14:15:21
Now when it was evening, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a desolate place, and the day is now over; send the crowds away to go into the villages and buy food for themselves.” But Jesus said, “They need not go away; you give them something to eat.” They said to him, “We have only five loaves here and two fish.” And he said, “Bring them here to me.” Then he ordered the crowds to sit down on the grass, and taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven and said a blessing. Then he broke the loaves and gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the crowds.

And some who call themselves Christians should be ashamed.
Semper Fi

[yellowtail3]

Thanks to Scoot for sharing some first-hand experience & lending a little vital context to a sharply ideological thread. Pardon ahead of time my bolding for emphasis:

If you have never been there , you should all keep your stupid comments to yourselves. for the occasional folks who abuse
there are multitudes who don't. It's a temporary hand up for most and it may be the only lifeline thread helping to keep a family together, it's not a hand out as many like to point a finger at the minority who may be abusing.

The voice of experience beats the recitation of ignorance-based ideological talking points any day of the week.

If you all are worried or so concerned about abuse in the system , then fix the system so the program operates more efficiently. It's a vital program. Some folks on GB who post are just plain ignorant.

Not only vital, but great good for the dollar. On 'ignorance'... the hard work of reforming is nowhere near as popular as tearing down & slander for political gain. Human nature.

  If I was called a food stamp president I would gladly wear it as a badge of Honor.

That might get you tagged as evil, or communist, but... I wouldn't worry overmuch about such insinuations.

Matthew 25:35
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,

Issiah 58:20
If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.

Proverbs 28:27
Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.

Proverbs 14:31
Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

Matthew 14:15:21
Now when it was evening, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a desolate place, and the day is now over; send the crowds away to go into the villages and buy food for themselves.” But Jesus said, “They need not go away; you give them something to eat.” They said to him, “We have only five loaves here and two fish.” And he said, “Bring them here to me.” Then he ordered the crowds to sit down on the grass, and taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven and said a blessing. Then he broke the loaves and gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the crowds.

Radical stuff, that.

And some who call themselves Christians should be ashamed.
Semper Fi

Bravo Zulu.

[DDZ]

scootrd please don't call people ignorant, because they don't believe the government should be a provider. Many problems that we have in this country stem from to many people thinking that its the governments duty to be a provider, instead of a protector of liberty. If you want to go there, I and many others believe people are ignorant that think the government should be a provider. Go read the Constitution.
The scripture you posted talks about people helping other people, and that is what Christ wants us to do. The scripture has nothing to do with a government taking money from people by force then distributing it as they see fit. Maybe before you post scripture for a cause you think is worthy, do some study and find the true meaning of it. Don't throw it up and pretend it refers to a government stealing money and then being the judge of who gets it.

I know many Christians that give what money they have left, after the government is done taking what they want, to needy people, myself included. Christians give to food banks, they give to churches that give food to needy people, and they help needy people in the community that they live in. Right now the church I belong to is helping a couple that lost their home, and is paying the rent on a place for them, that another Christian owns, and has sacrificed some of the cost.
This is a principle this country was founded on, and it worked, before government became bigger and decided they wanted more power or all of it. People gave from the heart and that is what the scripture you posted means. People should give from the heart, and many Christians do. You see, when people give to other people directly, the receivers are more grateful for the gift, and are more apt to make it on their own. 
So please don't try to belittle Christians with your false assumptions. I've seen it done here many times, and it confuses me because some of the people doing it indicate they themselves are Christian.   

[scootrd]

scootrd please don't call people ignorant, because they don't believe the government should be a provider.

There is nothing wrong with being ignorant , it is just lacking in knowledge,  and can be fixed.
I never called anyone stupid (Though I have referenced some comments as down right stupid as people really so know better). 

Stupid is the inability of having the mental capacity to learn ( which may not be an individuals fault) .

I am ignorant about a lot of subjects , doesn't make me stupid , I just haven't learned about it yet.


ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/
Adjective:   

    Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something.

Stu·pid [stoo-pid, styoo‐]   adjective 
lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.

[scootrd]

So please don't try to belittle Christians with your false assumptions. I've seen it done here many times, and it confuses me because some of the people doing it indicate they themselves are Christian.   

If people claim to be christian , then perhaps they should walk the walk. 
God Bless the children , and if the Food stamp program helps but a single child not go to bed hungry tonight , then that's a good thing.

I lived it , I know. I am not ignorant on the subject.

If folks have a problem with the program or the way it is being administered  - then fix the program , but don't belittle those families that may require the hand up , not the hand out.

Semper Fi,

[DDZ]

That is correct TM, we all should be against government sponsored assistance, including Christians, because Jesus was against stealing from one for benefit of another. Remember the words Thou shall not steal. Again Jesus wants us to love one another and give from the heart. Its not that hard to understand. Wouldn't hurt to read more than a few verses of the Bible instead of cherry picking a few that you think fits your argument.

Scoot, do you have any suggestions for fixing a program that government runs? Its quite easy to just say "then fix the program" Kind of hard to do when so many people want the government doing exactly what they are doing. It appears that every program the government runs is screwed up. So there is a heck of a lot of fixing needed done.  The fix would be if government quit doing things they have no business doing in the first place.
The program maybe wouldn't be so wasteful and corrupt if government did truely care about helping people. The whole thing is a transfer of wealth scheme, along with a transfer of power to the giver. Wouldn't hurt either to read more of the Bible if you want to relate giving to government giving, instead of cherry picking a few verses that you think fits your argument. 

Like I said before, don't believe me, go read the Constitution. Or is it ok to circumvent the Constitution, because the program is labeled for the good, and its something you guys want, and you are fooled into thinking the government is there for us, and wants to help.     
Like I said the discussion is over if you guys think the government should be a provider, and its obvious that you do. Nothing I have said or will say that will change your minds, because you are set in the idea that our government should hand out food, while stealing from others.
 

[yellowtail3]

You didn't address to me, DDZ, but I'll comment, if you'll indulge me a bit.

That is correct TM, we all should be against government sponsored assistance, including Christians, because Jesus was against stealing from one for benefit of another.

I've read the NT, bro, and don't recall Jesus commenting on role of gov't in the context of our political arguments of today. But I may have missed it... what does it say on the role of the state, and taxes?

Remember the words Thou shall not steal.

He wasn't talking about taxes, was He, which is what we're talking about, right? And when He did talk about taxes... well, I'll bet you know what He said there.

Wouldn't hurt to read more than a few verses of the Bible instead of cherry picking a few that you think fits your argument.

Sounds like you consider a view re scripture & bible position on role of the state (inasmuch as there is one) to be wrong, if it ain't the same as yours? I'll admit, I've done that. 

[powderman]

SCOOTRD. Glad the system was there to help you Sir and theres no shame in accepting a helping hand. Like DDZ said, the scrips you quoted are about us helping each other, as we all should do, and most of us do. There are many situations where folks are able to survive because of the govt programs and I'm glad for them, but there is great abuse in the system too.
Obummer is called the fs president because he has put more people out of work and onto the govt giveaways than any other president in history. FS president is not meant as a compliment to him. I'm glad the program exists for those who are really in need. POWDERMAN. 

[scootrd]

DDZ...you seem to be making the argument that Jesus and Christians should be against any government sponsored assistence to the needy and underclass just because it eminates from the government.  I don't think that would be the case_ _quite the opposite in fact.
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...TM7

The position doesn't even hold water . Whether the FS program is administered by Govt workers or individuals reach out at community level or not is not the issue. Both should be avenues employed to reach our less fortunate.

I have seen some claim we were founded as a christian society (I would argue that point but that's for another thread).  however , for those that have made that statement than as a christian society we should concentrate less on war and more on clothing , education, and feeding  the less fortunate among us. The military taught me you are only as fast as the slowest member of your team, it is everyone's responsibility (including Local, state , federal Govt ) to pull together and help lift each other up (it takes a village) . 

A healthier society is a more productive society . When a human beings basic needs are met - Shelter ,  clothing , food hygiene , education , etc.. Heathier children can concentrate better in school and eventually becoming better contributors to OUR society , hold down stable jobs , and yes eventually even pay more taxes into the system.

Govt is not always the big bad wolf (as some would like to espouse). There are things productive govt's can do on large scale that provide greater and positive impacts on society and reach more people for the better , (and yes sometimes for the worse) that an individual cannot. Govt run programs are not always "Society's enemy."

The FS program is one of them. 

I'm not here to offer solutions to fix Govt programs and make them run more efficiently (we actually have people employed that can do that -  if we haven't laid them all off yet).

For the fiscal hawks I would be more worried about all the fraud and abuse that incurs in our defense budgets.  Where did all those millions go during the Iraq war. (poof gone). Maybe Haliburton knows ? (again for another thread) If were looking for fraud waste and abuse lets start there.

my point is  - The FS program is a vital program and gutting it makes no sense. and on a large scale I am less inclined  worrying about the miniscule number of folks who may be abusing the program. On the whole , The program helps lift many of our societies most needy out of dispair. 


God Bless our children. May none experience hunger pains in America today. 

 Semper Fi