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Offline muslmutt

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Small caliber Contender question
« on: June 23, 2012, 01:12:10 AM »
I was just wondering if anyone here had any experience shooting a contender pistol in a .17 or .20 caliber? Any information including barrel length, load data, accuracy, and/or performance on critters would be appreciated.
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Re: Small caliber Contender question
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 07:04:00 AM »
I had a truckload of 17 caliber Contender's (and quite a few semi to full custom rifles as well), for Contender's mostly in handgun lengths but also some carbines.   Mine included both of the 17 rimfires, almost all of the 17 centerfires both commercial and wildcat at the time, and multiple barrels over the years for many of my favorites.   IMO 14/15" and 20" are the optimum barrel lengths for all of them on the Contender platform; all of them can be very accurate in the right hands with the right loads and the best optics to amazing ranges; the hydrostatic shock they impart on game is legendary, and contray to belief most are not barrel burners using reasonable loads.   And they are not as wind sensitive as some folks might think they are, will do just fine in up to moderate winds to reasonable ranges.   I have a lot of shooting/hunting experience with them, at least in the high 10's of thousands of rounds fired if not well into the 100's, so I admit I am very biased toward the 17 calibers as being among the best of the best small bores.   They all overlap each other in sequence ballistically, so just match the cartridge to the intended use for it and you will have a winner that you can count on to get it done.
 
I don't pass on load data to anyone I don't personally have first hand knowledge of their reloading prowess and ethics, and certainly not on a public forum.   The small case 17's especially are very sensitive to very small increases in powder, some as little as 1/10 grain when you approach max for a given chamber.   So optimum yet safe loads MUST be worked up to in EVERY firearm IMO - including two firearms of the same brand/model.   None of them need max to perform very well, in fact they all have a sweet spot a little below max, and another even lower. 
 
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Re: Small caliber Contender question
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2012, 09:23:50 AM »
Hey Ladobe,
Thanks for the info. I am a big .17 caliber fan too. But my .17 and .20 caliber experience has been strictly with rifles. I currently have 2 .17 Remington rifles (1 custom, 1 Remington 700 BDL) and a .204 Ruger rifle (Savage Predator Hunter). I only but factory loaded ammo for my rimfires and a couple auto pistols; I handload for the rest of my firearms. When I asked for load data I didn't mean for powder charge weight to be included. I am interested in what powders worked well, what bullets gave the best performance on game, and velocities I might reasonably expect from pistol length barrels.
I am considering obtaining a .17 Ackley Hornet, .17 Ackley Bee, .17 Fireball, .17 Remington, or .204 Ruger 12" or 14 " barrel and I am wondering what velocities I could expect from these so that I may chose the cartridge that best suits the application I have in mind.
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Re: Small caliber Contender question
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2012, 02:59:45 AM »
That's a lot of information for a lot of cartrideges, especially considering all my data is buried someplace over in storage.
 
You can research each cartidge yourself on-line to get a pretty good idea of what powers and bullets give what velocities in each of them in both rifles and Contenders.   That done it would be easier to help you with your first choice or two.
 
The 17 Ackley Hornet, 17 Ackley Bee, 17 Mach IV and 17 Remington were all favorites of mine for different uses in any firearm, they progressively step up to or overlap ballistically, they all can take game efficiently, they can all use the same bullets, some the same powders and they can all be tack drivers in a 14" barrel.
 
Most fun, the 17Ackley Hornet hands down; most versatile, the 17 Mach IV (or the 17 Fireball clone) IMO.
 
 
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Re: Small caliber Contender question
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2012, 05:39:06 AM »
You won't go wrong with the .17 Ackley Bee.  I've been shooting a 15" bullberry for a couple years now.  It's been a great little round to shoot on the prairie dog walks with.  Bunny's seem to be a tad hard to hit when they take off.  The swing of the barrel and trying to line up in a scope is not one I'm good with.  Unless they stop and wait for me to line up on them.  They are free to go.   
Brass is easy to get here locally.   Powder, primers and bullets are easy also.




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Re: Small caliber Contender question
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 02:51:24 PM »
Thanks Chigger. I just missed a .17 Ackley Bee on ebay a couple weeks ago.