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38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« on: June 23, 2012, 10:46:23 AM »
Does anyone have a pet theory why the .38 (.357) cal. seems to continue to have such a large following.  In rifles cowboy action shooters use it in their  lever actions, in Handi rifles the .357 mag. and maxi are popular.  It's kinda like the .22lr it just keeps going and going.  Both have their roots as BP cartridges and in the case of the .38 the front stuffers swore by their .36 cal. squirrel rifles.
Seems like it never gets old.  Piney Creek
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 10:52:42 AM »
long as we can put them lil 38 handloads where we want them to go.... they'll be around way after most of us are gone................ ;)
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2012, 11:12:23 AM »
Lots of things are just fads that come and go, but the good stuff just keeps rolling along, same as good music, good literature.

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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 11:22:44 AM »
Lots of things are just fads that come and go, but the good stuff just keeps rolling along, same as good music, good literature.

ya know bilmac,  thatsa bout tha most truthful thing i've heard ina good while !!!!!!!!!!
gud music, gud lit and great experiances goes along ways.......thank you !!!! ;)
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2012, 11:40:05 AM »
i take it you don't have one  or you would know


38  is cheap yet fairly powerfull
357 rifle is not a 30-30 but getting into its class


doesn use  up my lead as fast when casting as the 44s and 45-70


do you anyone that has never fired a 38??
most people the own a gun own a 38...might as well get a rifle to match
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2012, 11:54:08 AM »
Fun - cheap, easy to reload - accurate, versatile - you can shoot 38 specials for plinking and rabbits, .357 mag or max for deer - what's not to like? 

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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2012, 01:39:29 PM »
I dont have a .38 Special, but have, um, a few .357 mags, and I think that a .357, being able to use both .38s and .357s, is the second most practical gun you can have.  The first is a .22 LR.  I have both calibers in both long and short guns, and they do the vast majority of what I need to do that can be done with a gun.  Cheap, versatile, and very accurate.  How can that be a bad combination?

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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2012, 05:04:10 PM »
Thanks for the replys! :)
Sounds like about everyone has an affection for the .38, its fun, inexpensive to reload, accurate and can be very effective for small and medium game at realistic ranges.  Maybe I should ask this in another area but is there anything particular that  makes this cal. so accurate and the terminal ballistics so good.  Thanks Piney Creek
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 11:43:51 PM »
Next to the 9mm, the 38 Special is about as cheap as it gets to buy or reload. The 38/357's are accurate and the recoil is very manageable. You can buy ammo where ever ammo is sold. I have thought about getting a 32-20 or a 327 Mag, but there really is not a reason when the 38 Special or 357 Mag has it all covered from a low cost plinker, to pest control, to small game hunting, to home defense, to a short range (under 100 yards or so) Deer round. Some of the proceeding is strictly my opinion and some is fact. Opinion - Recoil is relative, needing/wanting a 32-20 or 327 is preference.

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38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2012, 03:51:44 AM »
I think a large factor in the popularity of the Magnum pistol single shots is the ease of reloading. Straight walled pistol calibers with rims like the .357, .44, and (since its how everybody loads em) .45 LC are about as simple a reloading proposition as you can get. And there is a tremendous selection of components. But the .357 gives the widest range of CHOICES. From round balls to .358 rifle bullets. Plus H&R's actual rifles give you a range of choices from standard rifle sizes to my very compact Talo. Through in the cheap and easy team to Max and it's hard to beat.
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2012, 02:40:55 AM »
Here is my take on it.  The diameter is wide enough (.357") that you are no longer totally dependent on the round expanding, which means that it does not expand when it hits small game so it doesn't tear up much meat, while at the same time, that same bullet can and usually does expand when it hits something bigger like a deer, hog, or 2 legged threat, while still penetrating enough to easily get the job done on any of the above.  It is big enough that you are no longer having to wonder if you have enough gun, but at the same time still small enough that recoil is very controllable to the point of not being a concern at all in a rifle, or (for most adults) in a handgun either.  As to the accuracy of it, I can't answer that one, but I think part of that is due to the long history and unbelievable amount of load development that has gone into the .38/.357 over the decades.  With my .357 rifle, I regularly get 1.5-3" groups at 100yds, and the accuracy and power are sufficient that I trust the rifle out to 150yds on deer/hogs.  Some people limit this round to 100yds or less, some give it more than I do and say it is good to beyond my 150yd limit.  The way I see it is that this is a round that depends on precise placement but is very capable within the ranges most people limit it to.  It will never be a long range round with performance like a .308 or a .30-06, but at least for my hunting needs in my area which offers few shots over 100yds, it works great.  I'm not saying that I will ever replace the longer range capable rifles with pistol caliber carbines, but most days, I would much rather hunt than just shoot--and the .357 lever gun is one of my favorites.

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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2012, 05:10:26 AM »
I agree with about everything that has been said so far. There IS nothing basically below the 357 except 22 rimfire rounds. They are fine for paper punching and very small game, but marginal for anything above rabbit/squirrels. On the other end, you do not need much more until you get up to deer at least. Deer seasons are usually a few weeks in most states, and so "deer" rifles set in the racks for most of the year for most of us. The other 10-11 months, what do you use ?? I have stray dogs, feral cats, armadillos, coyotes, coons, an occasional groundhog maybe. A 22 would likely wound them and let them get back into a hole or drag themselves off to die more slowly. The 357 will not. The "magnum" in its name also has helped it survive the "magnumization" of America, the thoughtless assumption that more must be better. Thank God the 357 did survive or since Dirty Harry we would only have 44 mags and up.

Like LaOtto above, I would love to have a 327 or 32/20 as they are faster and use lighter bullets, the 327 could also use 32 H&R and 32 short and long. They are very practical and were once the choice of most police forces in the country, until the advent of drug gangs and people on enough cocaine or meth that you could cut their arm off and they would smile at you. Until then, the 357 will remain (probably) the most used cartridge I have.
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2012, 03:39:38 PM »
I can drop cast wadcutters for the 38 faster than you can say "was dat", load it up with less than 3 gr. Bullseye, (goes a long long ways), and it's a good target round, and excellent close range pest control round, and if worse comes to worse, there are a lot of men in graveyards because of the 38.  It's just a good general do all round.  It's big brother ups the ante to serious power in the 357 mag., one of the most effective man stoppers of all time, and even in the face of bigger and faster, can still do it's job when called upon.
 
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2012, 06:10:08 PM »
And the ability to load the 38 to a soft kicker. makes it great to start younger shooters out on big bores.

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38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2012, 02:23:39 AM »
And with a .357 Max you can start a kid target shooting with .38's and work them up to a deer slayer load all in one platform.
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2012, 10:04:36 AM »
i think in a pistol the 38 suffers from being around for ever. people assume it has been replaced by "more effective" rounds. To prove this i shot our j frame against my best friends ruger 9mm. we fired into water jugs at 10 feet. same distance and point of aim. using the best expanding ammo for both pistols we were surpised to find the 38 and 9mm were identical in penetration and expansion. They both penetrated 3 jugs of water and expanded into perfect litle star patterns. Using non expanding ammo for both they were equal again with maybe, maybe a slight advantage to the 9mm. both penetrated 5 milk jugs of water. we learned that day the only thing the 9 has over the 38 is the pistol its chambered in! This was all done with factory loaded ammo. only difference he has 10 shots in his Ruger and the smith j frame only holds 5. but the j frame we have can be fired from inside a pocket or with the muzzle pushing against the bad guy. try either one of those with an autoloader!

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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2012, 04:31:15 PM »
Shootin' straight with a 38 beats givin' jive with a 45.
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2012, 10:22:30 AM »
another part that no one has touched on is alot of people have 38 and 357 handguns.
So breakdown the rifle, put your 38 loads in your revolver and throw a few and the bag, all but the max will be used in either.
Your covered from self defense to larger game to small game

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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2012, 03:27:04 AM »
what bore size did you think should have been the most popular?????


my guess would be 40 cal.
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Re: 38 Popularity (38 spec, 38+P, 357 Mag, 357 Max)?
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2012, 01:42:38 PM »
Huntingohio has a point. The guns made for these cartridges include both rifle and handgun, and there are several of these guns that are just classics. Any S&W revolver cannot be seriously criticised. The Ruger SAs are tanks that just keep on ticking. Everyone that has a Marlin 94 loves the gun. They are all proven excellent guns that no one argues about.