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Offline lep999

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"Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« on: June 24, 2012, 10:19:36 AM »
Is one better then the other or just personal choice??
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2012, 10:28:47 AM »
Ejector barrels that always work are real popular, unfortunetly they don't all the time and is the biggest reason why H&R hasn't offered ejectors on centerfire rifles for many years. They work best on low pressure rimmed chamberings, 30-30, 45-70 etc. Personally, I like my hybrid extractor/ejector, it pushes the round out further than a standard extractor which is the biggest complaint on extractors, but if a round is sticky, it will eject it, see the FAQs ejector to extractor conversion info.

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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 02:37:57 AM »
Besides the issues that Tim talks about, I think it a matter of personal choice. If you are in a hunting situation, you want the case to clear the chamber pronto, so you can insert another cartridge for a second shot when a griz  is bearing down on you. It would be handy if you have heavy gloves on for a follow up shot on a wounded critter, or a shot at a second critter, say a coyote, even with out gloves. Of course in these situations, you could give a rats behind about saving cases for reloading. On the other hand if you are a varmint hunter or a paper puncher, and want to save all your brass, extractors are nice.

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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 02:52:47 AM »
I like the ejector on my older H&Rs for hunting I carry ammo on a arm band and can reload and fire in a few seconds but for the bench shooting I guess the extractor is a little nicer. When I bought my first non ejector H&R I called H&R to ask why they changed it because I liked the ejector so much and they said some guys complained about getting hit in the head with spent brass lol, so there you go because of some dumb A... they changed it, probably so they don't get sued. :(   
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2012, 03:12:27 AM »
Like Tim said, rimless cases often had problems with ejection.  My ejector 223 barrel has never worked, but it did extract just fine. My 45-70 ejector works great and can easily spit cases 8-10 feet.  You do have to be careful where you point it when letting it eject.  A 45-70 case to the face would hurt. My extractor guns are more convenient at the range, especially when shooting from the bench. 

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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2012, 03:22:18 AM »
Quote from: muznut 54 on June 25, 2012, 02:52:47 AM
When I bought my first non ejector H&R I called H&R to ask why they changed it because I liked the ejector so much and they said some guys complained about getting hit in the head with spent brass lol, so there you go because of some dumb A... they changed it, probably so they don't get sued. :(

If that was true, they would have switched rimfire and shotguns to extractors which are still ejectors, they started  making extractor rifles in 2004, I don't think they've made an ejector centerfire rifle since ~2007, although slow moving ejector equiped barrels such as the 450 Marlin and some others may have been sold since.

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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2012, 03:36:52 AM »
That's what the guy told me but not sure if its true or not but I'm glad to hear the rim'fires and shotguns still have ejectors.
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2012, 03:38:49 AM »
That story has been floating around for years.  :-\

Tim
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2012, 05:55:16 PM »
but its true they will hit you in the head. :-[
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 12:39:00 AM »
Quote from: srussell on June 25, 2012, 05:55:16 PM
but its true they will hit you in the head. :-[

You wanna have a .45-70 pop open sometime and hit you between the eyes with a hot one :o :o   It's all a matter of preference.  How you use your rifles.  I hate ejectors.  I seldom have need for a fast second shot and when I do, Tim's modified extractor makes it almost as fast as an ejector.  I see very little difference.  If I hit an animal and it runs, I don't follow up right away anyhow.  Lots of time to reload.  I don't have anything here in Michigan that is going to eat me if I mess up, and I detest hunting around in snow, mud, weeds, etc. looking for brass.

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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2012, 12:49:20 AM »
I have mostly ejectors because that's what mine came with.  They are a pain at the range, so I have to tilt the gun and catch brass against my chest. 

What I like it the ejector-extractor mod so it pushes the brass out farther.  Even with a shim the new extractors don't push the shell out far enough.  Why I don't like the 454 carbine hunting... gloves make it VERY difficult, but I adapt.  Just one of the Handi quirks.  There are no perfect guns.

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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2012, 02:18:12 AM »

Quote from: muznut 54 on June 25, 2012, 02:52:47 AM
When I bought my first non ejector H&R I called H&R to ask why they changed it because I liked the ejector so much and they said some guys complained about getting hit in the head with spent brass lol, so there you go because of some dumb A... they changed it, probably so they don't get sued. :(

I agree with the above, an attempt has been made to stifle and discredit that fact but they cannot eliminate it. Just remembr back to when the change was made and the truth will be evident. I don't really mind the cheaper extractor for shooting at the range on a day that is not so cold you have to wear gloves but for most (not all) hunting an ejector is superior to an extractor.
Tim is correct, if extractors were made to lift the fired shells a bit more out of the chambers they would be nore user friendly. Extractors were driven purely by fears of litigation and cost.
Also, I have never had any more problems with rimless calibers than rimmed calibers, now there is a case of a story that has been floating around for years. I do like Tim's theory of high pressure vs. low pressure and that seems to have more validity. That's my story and I'm sticking to it....<><.... :)
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2012, 06:29:34 AM »
Quote from: lep999 on June 24, 2012, 10:19:36 AM
Is one better then the other or just personal choice??

For us shooters its a personal choice with good arguments on both sides.

I like both!, But mostly extractors. Ejectors are prefered in my rimfires and shotguns but in my rifles, the ones I reload for. I find chasing brass a nusance.
One range I belong to has a ruling any brass hitting the ground belongs to the range. Guess they don't like brass scroungers...  ::) :o

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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2012, 11:00:52 AM »
I prefer ejectors. I long ago figured out how to catch the empties so it is second nature now. I don't have any rimless caliber guns and don't plan on getting any.
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2012, 09:33:30 AM »
An extractor is convenient at the benchrest, but for field shooting (hunting) I'll take the ejector every time.  Seems most reliability problems with H&R ejectors are related to rough chamber finish or lack of hand fitting/finishing of parts.  Most are 'fixable.'
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2012, 10:07:41 AM »
"One range I belong to has a ruling any brass hitting the ground belongs to the range. Guess they don't like brass scroungers...  ::) :o
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I would call BS on that!  Sure hope you don't shoot semi-auto - or drop your wallet!
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2012, 11:52:58 AM »
I have been leaning the way of the ejector. I stumbled upon a 30-30 ejector and just loved it compaired to the extractor so all but one of my guns is now ejector. even at the range i have no issue as I can open and catch the shell no problem. not that the extractors are bad just now like the ejectors. Bolts and lever guns are ejectors to so cant be that bad.
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2012, 12:38:49 PM »
I only had one small problem with the ejector on a new survivor 308, a few times I had to use a cleaning rod to remove the case then I just polished the chamber a little and all was good . When I'm bench shooting I just hold my hand to block the case when I open the action to catch my brass.
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2012, 12:16:56 PM »
I hate have'n to dig a spent case from a gun, always liked a ejector the would one into orbit.
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2012, 12:24:04 PM »
I like the ejector hunting in northern Maine because its cold and I have gloves on and its a pain I have to pull my glove of one hand to pull out the spent case with an extractor gun.
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Re: "Barrel ejector or extractor which is better"
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2012, 07:23:56 AM »
ive had a few of both...dont own any with ejectors now...doesnt really matter to me...either way is fine
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