Why are some of the best leaving our military ?

[ironglow]

  It could be because of a "culture in rapid decline"..and the general acceptance of same by our leaders:
       http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06-26/pentagon-celebrates-gay-pride-month-without-rainbow-flags
 
    The present dregs in charge in Washington are encouraging the decline of our culture spiritually, financially, morally and ethically.  Shows how much destruction, a screwed up few having the power to vote, can do...

[magooch]

I just can't understand why in the world our best and brightest wouldn't be proud to serve with a bunch of queers and misfits under a communist commander in chief.

[josiah712]

I G, I completely agree with your statements here.
 
As a young serviceman, I was so proud to serve my country that I couldn't think of anything that I would rather do.
 
I know that I wouldn't be able to feel that way today.  Not only for the reasons you listed, but also because my trust in this government has gone to zero.  We are attacking sovereign nations not for the defense of our nation; but because these nations will not take orders from the NWO globalist. 
 
If our government had even the slightest interest in national security, then our borders would be secured.

[Old Syko]

The best aren't leaving.  The best are hanging tough just like always and getting the job done despite the dregs.  Those that choose to leave because they don't like the way things presently are will never make it in the private sector either because there just isn't that much different.  The true best will never run.

[Conan The Librarian]

I don't think the military is filled with "good people". They can't even handle a couple of anti-terrorist actions without dragging the whole process on for over a decade, costing over a trillion dollars, buying a lot of junk they don't need, and putting tens of thousands of now dead or seriously wounded soldiers in places they never should have been.  They were great in the past, but not today. It's bloated, over staffed, over funded, and poorly managed. Meanwhile they remain entrenched in places the don't need to be, like Bosnia. They build redundant military bases just to create more commands with high retirement benefits for everyone from colonel up.
 
Even the stupidities of the 1968 thru 1972 Viet Nam era don't compare to this foolishness.

[mcbammer]

I   dont   think   the   best   leave   the   military .  The   military   has   left   them.

[ironglow]

  Old Syko says;
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  The best aren't leaving.  The best are hanging tough just like always and getting the job done despite the dregs.  Those that choose to leave because they don't like the way things presently are will never make it in the private sector either because there just isn't that much different.  The true best will never run." xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx     To that I say "poppycock" !   #1) The best are NOT "running", but rather, walking away in disgust !  Some folks believe it or not, don't choose to live in a neighborhood filled with 'the dregs'..it's more about choices.   As  far as "never make it in the private sector either", that too is poppycock !  I know of one case where the #2 rated man in his MOS in the USMC left...and now has a better job by far, and paying more than he was previously paid, and he is using the skills our taxes paid to train him.   True; this sicko move was not the only problem; there was the new "rules of engagement" , and "political correctness" in general, which in itself is enough to bring on regurgitation... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   Then from conan; 

They can't even handle a couple of anti-terrorist actions without dragging the whole process on for over a decade, costing over a trillion dollars, buying a lot of junk they don't need, and putting tens of thousands of now dead or seriously wounded soldiers in places they never should have been.  They were great in the past, but not today. It's bloated, over staffed, over funded, and poorly managed. Meanwhile they remain entrenched in places the don't need to be, like Bosnia. They build redundant military bases just to create more commands with high retirement benefits for everyone from colonel up.
 
Even the stupidities of the 1968 thru 1972 Viet Nam era don't compare to this foolishness.

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  Conan;
  Some things you said, I agree with..but when you said;... "I don't think the military is filled with "good people"., I have to vehemently disagree.  I would rather you said;.. " As with any other endeavor, the military has some bad apples."  Now, that I could agree with.  My concern, one I have voiced here regularly, concerns the heart of the fighting forces.. the NCOs ! 
  Without adequate NCOs to lead, many more fine , young soldiers and marines will be killed.  The NCOs, more than any other group, are the ones who do the most to keep the new guys safe.
   To say they are not "good", i would hope you are not implying that they are not professional inm every aspect, since we probably have the best trained, best equipped, most dedicated and most professional combat troops we have ever had.
  Yes, in the higher eschelons of rank..the officers promoted reflect the commander-in-chief and his attitude.  It appears today's generals are very political, but don't blame that on the 95% or so, who are not among the "elite appointees"..
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  Hey; do you suppose this guy was invited to the Pentagon the other day ?  After all, he too is a spopkesman for 'gay rights'..same as Leon Panetta..
   http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/26/san-francisco-gay-rights-activist-reportedly-arrested-over-child-porn/?test=latestnews

[josiah712]

I agree with you Conan, but the lowly GIs are not responsible for this.  Blame the Commander and Chief, and the men he takes his orders from.

[ironglow]

I agree with you Conan, but the lowly GIs are not responsible for this.  Blame the Commander and Chief, and the men he takes his orders from.

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   Now, that wouldn't be Soros, would it ?
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/special-report-george-soros-godfather-of-the-left/

[hardertr]

I agree with you Conan, but the lowly GIs are not responsible for this.  Blame the Commander and Chief, and the men he takes his orders from.

I couldn't agree more!  If you haven't served in the past 10 years, you really don't have an argument to stand on.  22 years ago, I started out with a head full of steam and desire to make the world a better place.  When I walked away 2 years ago, it was in utter disgust and confused as to how the hell we will ever be able to win another war.


It all started with "W" sending us to Iraq after 9-11.  That was a completely pointless mission (you can argue if you want, but I was there).  9-11 also spawned an epidemic of temporary patriotism.  Some of the worst Soldiers I had ever seen joined during that time.  And, like a virus, they overtook the ranks and forced many EXCELLENT Soldiers to walk away in disgust.  For every 1 great Soldier with unlimited potential that I practically begged to stick it out and carry on a legacy, there were 10 I did everything in my power to kick out.  Our military is not the "elite fighting force" it used to be.  If it werent' for superior technology and air power (mostly UAVs), we would have already had our asses handed to us in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Yes, I am bitter.  But, like I said, I saw first hand how our military became what it is today.  I am no longer impressed...

[hardertr]

I guess instead of just complaining, I could offer a suggestion to fix it:


START KICKING ASS-CLOWNS OUT, and start courting the worthy ones again!


I've never seen so many fat, lazy, mentally and morally unstable people in any single career field as I did the last 5 years in the military. Raise the standards for entry, and enforce the standards for retention.  That will likely never happen though.  It's far to easy to lower the standards than to hurt people's feelings (it disgusts me to even have to say this in reference to, what USED TO BE, the most elite military in the world).

[Conan The Librarian]

I'm not blaming the GIs, it's a wayward and corrupt leadership.
 
Hardertr: I was in favor of the initial strike against Iraq because it served a very useful function. It told the Arab world that if somebody bombed inside the US, then there would be severe and more or less arbitrary retaliation, even if it meant inventing a target like Hussein and a WMD connection. It really scared the Arab world and I do believe it was an appropriate show of strength. Unfortunately that initial success has been squandered by staying there for over a decade longer than they should have. As for Afghanistan, I never saw a value to it. Even the top commanders can not explain why we are there. And they don't appear to understand what their mission is. That seemed to be true to a large degree in Iraq also, except they could say they were helping Iraq re-form. Thank you for serving. The sad thing is that we have these times, like just after WW I and WW II and Viet Nam and today, where the military is in a sorry state. I think it can be rebuilt, but it's going to take some house cleaning to make it happen. I think it will take a reduction in size, like the massive reduction after WW I to do this house cleaning, but I'm afraid that just won't happen.

[mcbammer]

I  suppose   when   one   has   been   in  the   service   a   few   years   ,  they    come  to   realize   they   have   been  brainwashed.

[yellowtail3]

I'm not so sure the 'best' are leaving the military. I'm a little out of date - I've not been on active duty for near twenty years - but some always chose to leave for greener pastures. Some that stick around for the retirement brass ring, aren't unnecessary the best to have on board.


I've heard that some are leaving because of the end of that Orwellian 'don't ask don't tell' business. That's just political - if they're gonna bail because they don't like some politics, let 'em bail, but don't be bothered by the whining that they're missing out on the pension. If troops can't follow orders to be respectful of their fellows, then they need to get out... they're too expensive to keep, and not as irreplaceable as they think they are.


military is a pretty good deal these days.

[Old Syko]

Anyone who believes there is any difference between how the military and the private sector corporate world is run is either delusional or just plain out of touch with both.  Religious extremists of all ilks, queers, and racial variations are all handled in the same way no matter which occupation you choose.  After all, the idiots that make and enforce the rules for one are the same idiots who make and enforce the rules for the other.