Author Topic: Hearing very loud screams again... (Read 11592 times)

Swampman · « **Reply #120 on:** July 31, 2012, 02:14:44 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on July 31, 2012, 02:04:20 PM

Old Ron White is right! Ya can't fix stupid!

Many examples of that here. Personal experience goes a long way toward helping you laugh off unbelievers. I do it everyday.

Scibaer · « **Reply #121 on:** July 31, 2012, 03:10:38 PM »

hey swampy ? let me ask ya something, but ill preface it first..
you've said here and in other post, that Bigfeet are spirits or more less, i can wont quote you unless you prefer i do, but you claim them to be other dimensional just the same.. true.. sans quote ?

now, all other paranormal researchers i.e. the ghost and UFO hunter types.. all i say again all ( per their shows, websites, and lectures ) use cameras, webcams, video cams, that see in differing range of light, you get the idea there to capture things the human eye cant see... they claim the camera is more sensitive then the human eye, so they use them to catch ghosts, shadow men, and whatnot creatures out of our spectrum...

so, that dont really fit now does it ? your claims that 'we' can see BF's but they trail cams cant ?
i do know what your answer , or lack thereof will be but go ahead and answer ..
how can they say the cameras work better then the human eye but , you say they dont ?
how can the cameras work for the ghosts and spirits , but not work for the bigfoot spirits ?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #122 on:** July 31, 2012, 03:16:55 PM »

I get it now bigfeet are vampires, that is why they don't show up on game cameras. Time to get a wooden stake and some holy water.

Swampman · « **Reply #123 on:** July 31, 2012, 09:38:11 PM »

The camera would take a picture but the way that it is triggered cannot sense that anything is there. On top of that these rifts in time/space would have to be right in front of the game camera and that is not likely to be the case. If your line of thought were correct then everytime we took a picture someting paranormal would show up and it doesn't. I think spirit is not the correct term but it's one that men use for things they don't understand.

Scibaer · « **Reply #124 on:** July 31, 2012, 11:58:43 PM »

ok. what makes a trail camera different, that they cannnot sense a bigfoot is there ?
are they less sensative ? or is the digital camera part different somehow ?

Swampman · « **Reply #125 on:** August 01, 2012, 12:20:50 AM »

A handheld camera is triggered by a human normally. A trailcam is triggered by motion. There is no motion to trigger the camera. I've explained that several times and it seems pretty easy to understand.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #126 on:** August 01, 2012, 01:45:22 AM »

But tO leave these "footprints" these bigfeet have to have both mass and motion. Physics 101.

Stop the personal attacks. Just stick to the subject not to personalities. Graybeard.

Swampman · « **Reply #127 on:** August 01, 2012, 01:56:16 AM »

Believe whatever you like. I know what I know.

GeneRector · « **Reply #128 on:** August 01, 2012, 05:21:49 AM »

Howdy! Both Scibaer and Swampman argue well for their views on BigFoot. However, until science explains and can repeatedly prove in experiments, there will always be views and hypothetical explanations on BigFoot. Unfortunately, someone is going to have to shoot or capture (or try to) a BF. And this can be part of an experiment. If a live trap is set with a trail camera watching it shows only the bait disappearing repeatedly, this might indicate that BF does not show up on trail cameras. If someone sees and shoots at a BF with a scoped, high powered rifle, and nothing is found, that might indicate another aspect of BF that scientists can speculate on. Whatever, the BigFoot phenomena and sightings will continue until science can repeatedly show in experiments exactly what it is or is not. That may be 100 years or more in the future. Always, Gene

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #129 on:** August 01, 2012, 06:47:46 AM »

throw in the time warps it could be 2-300 years ...............

Scibaer · « **Reply #130 on:** August 01, 2012, 07:48:30 AM »

trail cams are not 'triggered by humans" .. trail cams use optical sensor called a PIRS.
any creature that would or could seen seen by the human eye, will be picked up by the sensor.
also if the creature has the mass to leave any physical evidence, then the sensor would pick up that as well
and if the creature has any temperature to it at all, then the the sensor will pick that up too, =/- 0.5 of ambient temp.

your argument, of "i just know what i know" is not and never will be any type of valid argument.
you have explained nothing more then an opinon, and its not easy to understand or believe.
i asked you what made BF's different and your answer was "i just know" thats not a viable answer.
i know you believe, i can respect that. but you have to admit its your opinion,and not a fact, unless you are willing to
provide proof, testable and checkable proof, thats just how the world works

but i do agree that only a BF body will settle this. however, if the creature is like what swampy believes , then it cant be killed.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #131 on:** August 01, 2012, 07:51:16 AM »

They are dieing out anyway. All those tall lost hippies from the 60's are getting old now .

Swampman · « **Reply #132 on:** August 01, 2012, 08:11:10 AM »

Quote from: Scibaer on August 01, 2012, 07:48:30 AM

trail cams are not 'triggered by humans" .. trail cams use optical sensor called a PIRS.
any creature that would or could seen seen by the human eye, will be picked up by the sensor.
also if the creature has the mass to leave any physical evidence, then the sensor would pick up that as well
and if the creature has any temperature to it at all, then the the sensor will pick that up too, =/- 0.5 of ambient temp.

Well it doesn't.....and as I mentioned the camera would have to be pointed right at the rift or portal. A trailcam isn't going to take a picture. Even it it could you probably would see it as something else like a mist or a glare. All of this has to take place at the right time and exactly the right angle.

1911crazy · « **Reply #133 on:** August 02, 2012, 10:01:23 AM »

I'm confused now.
On TV the other day on the history channel they say that BF has something to do with the aliens and ufo's. They said its been seen dropping from a ufo.
I been thinking since Einstein said we can have up to 5 or more different dimentions. So that makes me think that BF can go to another dimention. Its the vibration that differs us from each dimention so they say. Maybe the earths magnetic lay lines has something to do with the transportation between the dimentions. I hear them and got a flash of one running, i see tracks of some sort, something unknown yet it disappears. They also said it can't be shot.
I'll be looking for BF more and more so time will tell. I have a few hotter spots. My land in VT has one area thats a magnetic lay line plus its the only spot that has water in my area. 1911czy
BTW; I took pics at Dudleytown using high speed 400 film at the time. I caught orbs all over the place that moved betweem the shots. What ever it is plays with the camera and pushes its button to take pics on its own. It even plays with the cam corder by turning it on when we turn it off. I don't get whats pushing the button on film too? It calls my dog from up on the small hill top and i don't get anything in the pics too. So its similair?

cwlongshot · « **Reply #134 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:32:25 AM »

Quote from: 1911crazy on August 02, 2012, 10:01:23 AM

I'm confused now.
On TV the other day on the history channel they say that BF has something to do with the aliens and ufo's. They said its been seen dropping from a ufo.
I been thinking since Einstein said we can have up to 5 or more different dimentions. So that makes me think that BF can go to another dimention. Its the vibration that differs us from each dimention so they say. Maybe the earths magnetic lay lines has something to do with the transportation between the dimentions. I hear them and got a flash of one running, i see tracks of some sort, something unknown yet it disappears. They also said it can't be shot.
I'll be looking for BF more and more so time will tell. I have a few hotter spots. My land in VT has one area thats a magnetic lay line plus its the only spot that has water in my area. 1911czy
BTW; I took pics at Dudleytown using high speed 400 film at the time. I caught orbs all over the place that moved betweem the shots. What ever it is plays with the camera and pushes its button to take pics on its own. It even plays with the cam corder by turning it on when we turn it off. I don't get whats pushing the button on film too? It calls my dog from up on the small hill top and i don't get anything in the pics too. So its similair?

Crazy,
I always forget we are both in CT...

When I read Dudley town.....

Never been there, been all around hunting, but as its private, I stayed out... Lots of stuff on UTube on it too.

CW

Victor3 · « **Reply #135 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:21:55 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on August 01, 2012, 08:11:10 AM

Quote from: Scibaer on August 01, 2012, 07:48:30 AM
trail cams are not 'triggered by humans" .. trail cams use optical sensor called a PIRS.
any creature that would or could seen seen by the human eye, will be picked up by the sensor.
also if the creature has the mass to leave any physical evidence, then the sensor would pick up that as well
and if the creature has any temperature to it at all, then the the sensor will pick that up too, =/- 0.5 of ambient temp.

Well it doesn't.....and as I mentioned the camera would have to be pointed right at the rift or portal. A trailcam isn't going to take a picture. Even it it could you probably would see it as something else like a mist or a glare. All of this has to take place at the right time and exactly the right angle.

So you've obviously done some extensive testing to prove all of this, or you wouldn't be making such detailed pronouncements about it. Cool.

I'll be awaiting your data. Will you be posting it soon?

Swampman · « **Reply #136 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:33:40 PM »

I have, none of my game cameras have ever taken a picture of the paranormal. My hand held cameras on the other hand have.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #137 on:** August 03, 2012, 12:26:56 AM »

I'm glad I don't spend so much time on the si-fy channel

Swampman · « **Reply #138 on:** August 03, 2012, 01:20:28 AM »

You'd be amazed at what's easily seen if you're looking for it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #139 on:** August 03, 2012, 01:47:34 AM »

even with your eyes shut .

trotterlg · « **Reply #140 on:** August 03, 2012, 05:51:01 AM »

SHOOTALL finally got it, you can "see" things without the use of your eyes, glad you have finally become a believer. Larry

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #141 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:29:19 AM »

Quote from: trotterlg on August 03, 2012, 05:51:01 AM

SHOOTALL finally got it, you can "see" things without the use of your eyes, glad you have finally become a believer. Larry

Scibaer · « **Reply #142 on:** August 03, 2012, 09:45:50 AM »

ok let me jump back in here..
firstly i asked you about why BF cant be photographed by a trail cam and you answered with rifts being a mist..
so thats not an answer.
victor3 asked about showing proof of your testing and you answered that your cams have never taken a paranormal pic, which does not prove anything in the way of test evidence.
now if your hand held cams can get pics then it stands to common sense that a game cam could as well.
now this is the 2nd time you have mentioned that you have pics, and i ask yet again to post them here or send them to me in a pm for some basic evaluaton.
and you have yet to actually answer the forementioned question .. why if someone can see BF, a handheld camera can capture it , why could not a game cam with a PIRS that is more sensative and better tuned ?
i would you to answer these questions directly, show me the pics and show me /us your data from your testing by the scientific method, or admit that these are just your opinions and beliefs and not facts or proofs.
what say you ,swampy my friend ?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #143 on:** August 03, 2012, 09:49:49 AM »

I get it , the trigger on the camera can't see big foot but the camera can. Funny really man has been making triggers for hundreds of years but cameras just over 100 and triggers are less advanced !

Scibaer · « **Reply #144 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:00:00 AM »

trail/game cameras use, all of them use, a PIRS system.
this system is used by all active, passive, infrared and daytime cameras in security, game cams, ATM's and a pile of other monitoring systems.. its a very good setup, accurate and reliable.
what all that means is.. if it can be seen by the human eye, the PIRS is going to see it too, plain and simple, period.

i am awaiting the collected evidence, data, pics or whatwever.. not stories, beliefs or "because i say so" nonsense.

1911crazy · « **Reply #145 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:16:24 AM »

Crazy,
I always forget we are both in CT...

When I read Dudley town.....

Never been there, been all around hunting, but as its private, I stayed out... Lots of stuff on UTube on it too.

CW

CW/guys; I've seen cloven hoof tracks inside human boot tracks in the fresh snow. It tried to hide its own tracks. Plus the boot tracks had to beginning or end of were they came from. Its a place with no noise for birds too. I liked going there to do research. I think the main problem is from the kids with there weegee boards they open a door and never close it.
Back to topic if BF shows up on the thermal then it has a heat signature so why can't it trip the trail cam? I'd love to get an FLIR but there so expensive i wonder if we can rent them?
Will the claymore type setup with the string work on the trail cam?

1911crazy · « **Reply #146 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:20:11 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on August 03, 2012, 01:20:28 AM

You'd be amazed at what's easily seen if you're looking for it.

Your right i didn't see it until it ran. It was hiding in a group of trees and i never seen it. It went 25yds in a few steps its that fast.

Scibaer · « **Reply #147 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:52:38 AM »

get pics of those tracks.
yes a string trigger would work.
yes a thermal signature means heat is given off and therefor recordable, i.e. photographic images
trails cams use a passive infra-red trigger, for it NOT to work would mean... the BF's body would give off zero heat OR be cooler then the surrounding atmosphere... and that the BF's body would not reflect any light in any spectrum and its motion would not disrupt the atmosphere around its body as it moved...

extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence , its mush simpler to say that BF is a flesh and blood animal.
still waiting on swampy's pics and or evidence .

you not seeing it until it ran , is a very common statement made by those that have seen BF's. and that is very primate type behavior. and you say that it covered 25 yards in a few steps is another common report...
question, the footfalls in the track way of the trail you saw , how far was the step apart ?
can you get good crisp and clean pics of the footsteps and show them to me/us on here ?

Swampman · « **Reply #148 on:** August 03, 2012, 11:07:50 AM »

Quote from: Scibaer on August 03, 2012, 10:00:00 AM

trail/game cameras use, all of them use, a PIRS system.
this system is used by all active, passive, infrared and daytime cameras in security, game cams, ATM's and a pile of other monitoring systems.. its a very good setup, accurate and reliable.
what all that means is.. if it can be seen by the human eye, the PIRS is going to see it too, plain and simple, period.

i am awaiting the collected evidence, data, pics or whatwever.. not stories, beliefs or "because i say so" nonsense.

As mentioned several times the rift would have to be right in front of the camera. That's never going to happen. Extra dimensional beings will not trigger a trailcam. That's all there is to it.

Scibaer · « **Reply #149 on:** August 03, 2012, 11:23:20 AM »

Extra dimensional beings will not trigger a trailcam. That's all there is to it.

says who ? where your proofs ? care to actually explain why and how you know this ?
why do all ghost/paranormal investigators use cameras with triggers then ?

i keep asking the same questions and getting silly "because" answers , where the proof, the pics, the data ?