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Offline charles p

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Trickle Chargers
« on: June 30, 2012, 02:34:51 PM »
I have a trickle charger plugged into a Honda V-Twin generator at my house.  I have an ATV at my hunting camp that I'd like to keep charged during the year.  I've heard that these chargers can be hard on batteries.  What has been your experience with leaving auto trickle chargers on batteries for long periods of time?  Are they safe?

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Re: Trickle Chargers
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 03:44:03 PM »
Depends on the charger.  Some of the better ones knock off when the battery is charged, and will automatically come back on periodically to do a refresh charge.
 
All of them will taper the charge rate to almost nothing when the battery is charged, but it still is best to not leave it for indefinite periods.
 
A battery left uncharged too long will sulfate, and is often hard to renew.
 
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Re: Trickle Chargers
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2012, 04:42:21 AM »
  You need to buy a trickle charger that says it's a batt "maintainer".  Those won't hurt your batt...
 
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Re: Trickle Chargers
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2012, 05:23:20 AM »
I run the harbor freight solar charger on a lot of things. I just wire them in or use the 12v plug if the cigar outlet isn't switched with the key. It helps the batteries last longer. My newest atv battery  (aftermarket battery) is 7 years old. The stock one lasted 4 years with no solar deal on it. I think the lawn mower is 5 years old with a solar on it. Some of the scouts have 7 and 8 year old batteries on them. http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html
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Re: Trickle Chargers
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2012, 09:17:22 PM »
  You need to buy a trickle charger that says it's a batt "maintainer".  Those won't hurt your batt...
 
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What he said. Subtle but important difference between the two.
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Re: Trickle Chargers
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 07:41:32 AM »
Most but not all the small power cube trickle chargers are constant current chargers, think of a dripping water tap, once the basin is full it does not stop, the charger will keep charging even though the battery is topped off, if its the older type with vented caps you will notice a spattering of electrolyte around the vent as the electrolyte is boiled off.
 
 Batteries 101 
As someone in the industry once put it, "few batteries die a natural death, most are murdered". The following information is designed to tell you how to get the longest life possible from your battery bank and also why batteries fail.

 Why Batteries Fail
 
When a lead-acid battery is discharged, a soft lead sulfate material forms on the battery plates. During the battery's recharge, this material is lifted off the plates and recombined into the battery's electrolyte solution. If, however, the battery is left in a partial state of discharge for as short as 3 days, the lead sulfate material will begin to harden and crystallize, forming a permanent insulating barrier. As this barrier becomes thicker and thicker, the battery's ability to accept a charge or deliver energy is diminished, resulting in the perception that the battery is no longer usable. The accumulation of such deposits, otherwise known as sulfation, is the most destructive process in the life of any lead-acid battery.

  Multi-stage Battery Charging
 A typical 12-volt lead-acid battery must be taken to approximately 14.2-14.4 VDC before it is fully charged. (For 24 volt systems, double these figures.) If taken to a lesser voltage level, some of the sulfate deposits that form during discharge will remain on the plates. Over time, these deposits will cause a 200 amp-hour battery to act more like a 100 amp-hour battery, and battery life will be considerably shortened. Once fully charged, batteries should be held at a considerably lower voltage to maintain their charge - typically 13.2 to 13.4 volts. Higher voltage levels will "gas" the battery and boil off electrolyte, again shortening battery life. Most battery charger designs and standard alternators installed on boats cannot deal with the conflicting voltage requirements of the initial "bulk charge" and subsequent "float" or maintenance stage. These designs can accommodate only one charge voltage, and therefore must use a compromise setting - typically 13.8 volts. The result is a slow incomplete charge, sulfate deposit build-up, excessive gassing and reduced battery life. Trickle chargers keep the voltage at 13.8 volts which boils and eventually ruins a battery.
The charger available in most marine inverters, "smart" battery chargers, and alternators with "smart" external regulators automatically cycle batteries through a proper multi-stage sequence to assure a rapid and complete charge without excessive gassing. The better charge controllers used in solar charging systems are able to handle battery charging using a pulse width technology. The voltage is held at the desired value during the acceptance phase but the current is turned on only long enough to provide the required charge current. The voltage is reduced in the float stage and current is turned on only long enough to maintain the float voltage.

  Three Stage Battery Charging
 The battery is normally brought up to 75% of fully charged in the Bulk Charge Phase. The Acceptance or Absorption Phase continues charging the battery until fully charged. After the battery is fully charged, just enough charge current is applied to maintain the battery in a fully charged mode (this is the Float Phase). The float phase should not be confused with "trickle chargers" which have cooked many batteries.

 Bulk Charge Voltage
 The Bulk Charge Voltage of typical liquid electrolyte batteries should be about 14.4 VDC; AGM batteries about 14.2 VDC; gel cell batteries about 14.1 VDC. There is no one correct voltage for all types of batteries. Incorrect voltages will limit battery performance and useful life. Check your battery maker's recommendation's.

 Float Voltage
 The Float Voltage settings should hold the batteries at a level high enough to maintain a full charge, but not so high as to cause excessive "gassing" which will "boil off" electrolyte. For a 12 volt liquid electrolyte battery at rest, a voltage of 13.2 -13.4 is normally appropriate; gel cells are typically maintained between 12.9 and 13.1. If the batteries are being used while in the float stage, slightly higher settings may be required.
Temperature Compensation
 Temperature Compensation is important for all battery types, but AGM and gel cell (valve-regulated type batteries) are more sensitive to temperture.
Deep Cycle versus Shallow Cycle
 
A cycle in the battery world occurs when you discharge a battery and then recharge it back to the same level. How deep a battery is discharged is termed "depth of discharge". A shallow cycle occurs when the top 20% or less of the battery's power is discharged and then recharged. Some batteries, like automotive starting batteries, are designed for this type of cycling only. The plates of active material are thin with large overall surface area. This design can deliver a lot of power in a very short time. The second type of cycle is a deep cycle, where up to 80% of the battery capacity is discharged and recharged. Batteries designed for deep cycling are built with thicker plates of active material, which have less overall surface area. Because of the lessened availability of surface area for chemical reaction, these batteries yield just as much power relative to their size, but do so over a longer period of time. This type of battery design is preferred in a cruising boat, because discharging a battery to a deeper level is normal while anchoring out due to lights, instruments, fans, and other normal battery usage.

 
 Determining Battery State of Charge
 Battery state of charge is determined by reading either terminal voltage or the specific gravity of the electrolyte. The density or specific gravity of the sulfuric acid electrolyte of a lead-acid battery varies with the state of charge (see table below). Specific gravity is read with a hydrometer. A hydrometer reading will tell the exact state of charge. A hydrometer cannot be used with sealed, AGM or gel cell batteries.
Voltage meters are also used to indicate battery state of charge. Digital voltmeters provide the accuracy to read the voltage in hundreths and are relatively inexpensive and easy to use. The main problem with relying on voltage reading is the high degree of battery voltage variation through out the day. Battery voltage reacts highly to charging and discharging. As a battery is charged the indicated voltage increases and, as discharging occurs, the indicated voltage decreases. With experience, one can accurately determine state of charge using a voltmeter.
 
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