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« on: February 05, 2004, 07:23:18 AM »
This is from the Issues section of Kerry's website:

Standing with Law Enforcement to Keep New Hampshire Safe

Concord, NH – On December 9th, John Kerry joined law enforcement officers and New Hampshire residents to outline his proposals to reduce crime and keep communities safe.

“We can do better – if we put public safety ahead of powerful interests.  As President, I will fight to preserve and strengthen the assault weapons ban.  One in five law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty is killed with an assault weapon.  The police officers who put their lives on the line every day should not be outgunned by criminals armed with weapons of war.   We need to stand with them – and stand up to the NRA.  I’ve done that throughout my career – and I’ll do it again as President."
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2004, 08:14:34 AM »
The last HONEST statistics I saw from the FBI's files indicated that no law enforcement officer has ever been killed in the line of duty by an assualt rifle.

Kerry is one of the MOST ANTIGUN politicians there are out there. He is also a multibillionair with money to burn and wants to be the prez in the worst way. He would be worst than Klinton was if that is possible.

Bad news dude is what he is.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2004, 08:28:51 AM »
just another demicraptic demigod to me.  Commies in American shirts and ties, that's all.  Just another excuse to weaken our freedoms.  Interesting note is that all the demicraptic candidates lie through their teeth, yet refuse to be held to the truth.  We need them like we need a case of dysentary.  Mikey.

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2004, 09:04:16 AM »
Actually, GB, his stance on firearms is the least of my worries. His "progressive" agenda is just a code word for socialism.  

I am, however, one to read the candidate's stances on the issues. His stance on all issues always seems to include something like "George W. Bush got it wrong" and then he says nothing about how to make it right.  In other words he has no articulated vision other than to get Bush out of office.

I find it amusing that while he says that Bush has exhibited no leadership, Kerry uses the terms that were invented by the Bush administration: Homeland security, War on Terror, etc.  These are terms that define the issues and the nations perception of the terrorism problem. While pointing out his view of the advantages of Saddham Hussein's capture, Kerry goes on to say how ineffective the effort in Iraq-- and by implication, president Bush-- has been.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2004, 10:16:34 AM »
This guy is a complete joke.

THE REAL KERRY

By HOWIE CARR
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February 5, 2004 -- BOSTON

ONE of the surest ways to get the phones ringing on any Massachusetts talk-radio show is to ask people to call in and tell their John Kerry stories. The phone lines are soon filled, and most of the stories have a common theme: our junior senator pulling rank on one of his constituents, breaking in line, demanding to pay less (or nothing) or ducking out before the bill arrives.

The tales often have one other common thread. Most end with Sen. Kerry inquiring of the lesser mortal: "Do you know who I am?"

And now he's running for president as a populist. His first wife came from a Philadelphia Main Line family worth $300 million. His second wife is a pickle-and-ketchup heiress.

Kerry lives in a mansion on Beacon Hill on which he has borrowed $6 million to finance his campaign. A fire hydrant that prevented him and his wife from parking their SUV in front of their tony digs was removed by the city of Boston at his behest.

The Kerrys ski at a spa the widow Heinz owns in Aspen, and they summer on Nantucket in a sprawling seaside "cottage" on Hurlbert Avenue, which is so well-appointed that at a recent fund-raiser, they imported porta-toilets onto the front lawn so the donors wouldn't use the inside bathrooms. (They later claimed the decision was made on septic, not social, considerations).

It's a wonderful life these days for John Kerry. He sails Nantucket Sound in "the Scaramouche," a 42-foot Hinckley powerboat. Martha Stewart has a similar boat; the no-frills model reportedly starts at $695,000. Sen. Kerry bought it new, for cash.

 

Every Tuesday night, the local politicians here that Kerry elbowed out of his way on his march to the top watch, fascinated, as he claims victory in more primaries and denounces the special interests, the "millionaires" and "the overprivileged."

"His initials are JFK," longtime state Senate President William M. Bulger used to muse on St. Patrick's Day, "Just for Kerry. He's only Irish every sixth year." And now it turns out that he's not Irish at all.

But in the parochial world of Bay State politics, he was never really seen as Irish, even when he was claiming to be (although now, of course, he says that any references to his alleged Hibernian heritage were mistakenly put into the Congressional Record by an aide who apparently didn't know that on his paternal side he is, in fact, part-Jewish).

Kerry is, in fact, a Brahmin - his mother was a Forbes, from one of Massachusetts' oldest WASP families. The ancestor who wed Ralph Waldo Emerson's daughter was marrying down.

At the risk of engaging in ethnic stereotyping, Yankees have a reputation for, shall we say, frugality. And Kerry tosses around quarters like they were manhole covers. In 1993, for instance, living on a senator's salary of about $100,000, he managed to give a total of $135 to charity.

Yet that same year, he was somehow able to scrape together $8,600 for a brand-new, imported Italian motorcycle, a Ducati Paso 907 IE. He kept it for years, until he decided to run for president, at which time he traded it in for a Harley-Davidson like the one he rode onto "The Tonight Show" set a couple of months ago as Jay Leno applauded his fellow Bay Stater.

Of course, in 1993 he was between his first and second heiresses - a time he now calls "the wandering years," although an equally apt description might be "the freeloading years."

For some of the time, he was, for all practical purposes, homeless. His friends allowed him into a real-estate deal in which he flipped a condo for quick resale, netting a $21,000 profit on a cash investment of exactly nothing. For months he rode around in a new car supplied by a shady local Buick dealer. When the dealer's ties to a congressman who was later indicted for racketeering were exposed, Kerry quickly explained that the non-payment was a mere oversight, and wrote out a check.

In the Senate, his record of his constituent services has been lackluster, and most of his colleagues, despite their public support, are hard-pressed to list an accomplishment. Just last fall, a Boston TV reporter ambushed three congressmen with the question, name something John Kerry has accomplished in Congress. After a few nervous giggles, two could think of nothing, and a third mentioned a baseball field, and then misidentified Kerry as "Sen. Kennedy."

Many of his constituents see him in person only when he is cutting them in line - at an airport, a clam shack or the Registry of Motor Vehicles. One talk-show caller a few weeks back recalled standing behind a police barricade in 2002 as the Rolling Stones played the Orpheum Theater, a short limousine ride from Kerry's Louisburg Square mansion.

The caller, Jay, said he began heckling Kerry and his wife as they attempted to enter the theater. Finally, he said, the senator turned to him and asked him the eternal question.

"Do you know who I am?"

"Yeah," said Jay. "You're a gold-digger."

John Kerry. First he looks at the purse.

Howie Carr, a Boston Herald columnist and syndicated talk-radio host, has been covering John Kerry for 25 years.

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2004, 03:16:24 PM »
This message needs to get out to the rest of teh people in our nation. I have been a life long resident of the Bay State and realize that he is a clone of Ted Kennedy. The people aren't getting the full story behind this clown. He is rabidly anti-gun despite his recent comments of being a hunter. What a load of manure.

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2004, 05:02:24 PM »
Any time that I hear a politician say that we don't need an AK47 (they only "ugly" gun that they know the name of) for hunting I throw a boot at the TV.  
WE DON'T NEED THEM FOR HUNTING, WE NEED THEM TO PROTECT US FROM A TYRANICAL GOVERNMENT!!

Sorry if I get a little excited here.  Our forefathers never intended otherwise.  They wrote the second amendment to protect us from tryany, not for hunting.  That men will seek to bring home their own harvest would only seem obvious to them.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2004, 09:54:47 PM »
Well lets hope that if/when Kerry gets the nomination all of this stuff comes out.  IMO Kerry is to liberal for the mainstream and as long as things continue to improve in iraq and Bush continues to pertray himself as an intelligent, moderate (sorry guys but moderate is the only way we are going to get him back in the white house) republican then the race should go to the right side.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2004, 01:24:55 AM »
What we need to do as sportsmen and Americans is mobilize!  Too often you hear people complain that the candidates are all the same:  tell them the truth!  We have to spread the truth about this loser to the general public.  Every time the lefty media portrays this guy as the second coming of Kennedy, we have to put a letter to the editor about what he really is.  The above quote from the Boston Herald would serve nicely as a basis.

Iraq?  What would Kerry have done?  12 more years of ineffectually exchanging misslies with them?  Remember Operations Northern and Southern Watch, each costing billions per year?  They're done.  We don't have to keep a couple of carrier battle groups in the region, just in case, any more.  The destabilizing threat in the region is no more.  GEORGE W. GOT IT DONE!

Sorry for the rant, GB.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2004, 03:47:29 AM »
Hay Folk - I tolja he was a commie, and thought of himself as a demigod.  I'm tellin' ya, that if we don't keep this yoyo out of the white house we're gonna be fightin' our own cops in the streets.  

I keep tellin' ya it's time fer another revolution............  This is Mikey.

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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2004, 05:22:08 AM »
BUT..BUT.. He has the classic "look" of some of the greats. That long face like that of Jefferson and Lincoln. That alone should make him a good candidate.  :grin:  :o  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2004, 08:48:51 AM »
Wouldn't this be better off in the SA + PI Discussion forum?

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2004, 04:22:59 PM »
I think the war in Iraq was just, whether we find significant WMD or not. Didn't a million people die in wars Saddam started with Iraq and Kuwait? Saddam was suspected to be behind an assassination attempt on the first President Bush. Saddam used gas, a WMD, to kill 5000 of his own people, the Kurds. Saddam never properly accounted for destruction of his weapons. Dennis Kay said Saddam was trying to develop Ricin as a weapon. If Ricin is not a WMD, then isn't it a terrorist weapon? Saddam's son practiced rape and torture of women. Saddam's son tortured joskeys who rode horses that beat his horse, and tortured soccer players if they lost. Thousands of Iraqis and Kuwaitis were tortured and killed under Saddam's regime. (Remember after WWII when western leaders said "never again"?) Saddam also supported terrorism by giving thousands of dollars to families of suicide bombers in Isreal. I think Kerry's questioning Bush's intentions in the war effort simply plays into the enemy's hands and causes more of a threat to our forces. Kerry is risking the lives of our servicemen for personal political gain.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2004, 03:41:43 AM »
GW Bush is a far better than yet another Liberal from MA and he will get my vote....However our government is a far cry from our constitution and the vision of our forefathers.  A great summary is listed below from Henry Lamb.

Wanted: New candidates who uphold Constitution
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There are only two systems of governance available to society. In the first system, government is the absolute authority and grants (or denies) rights and freedoms to the people. Throughout history, most people have lived under some variation of this system of governance.

In the other system of governance, the people have absolute authority, recognizing that certain rights and freedoms are endowed by the Creator, including the right to invent a government and limit its power and authority. This system of governance began to nudge its way into existence relatively recently, in historic terms, and reached maturity in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

There can be no doubt that government in the United States was created by the people, who limited the power of government to those powers enumerated in the Constitution, and specifically retained all other rights and powers to the states or to the people.

Both major political parties pay tribute to this American system of governance. Neither of the major political parties, however, is the least bit reluctant to ignore the limitations of governmental power imposed by the Constitution – and consolidate power to the government at the expense of the peoples' freedom.

They do so because the people allow it and even seem to want it. The people can stop the encroachment of government into individual freedoms by electing representatives who pledge to uphold constitutional limitations of government power. The candidates who make such a pledge are rarely elected. Instead, the people tend to elect candidates who promise to provide even more government power and control, along with increased social programs.

In the current presidential election campaign, the choice is not between a candidate who pledges to honor the constitutional limitations on government power and one who does not. It is a contest between two candidates who promise different degrees of even more government power and control.

Change at the top of the ticket will not come from the top. It will come from the bottom. But change is not happening at the bottom of the political ladder. In fact, it is from the city, county, state and congressional levels that the top of the ticket is determined. City, county and state government officials who believe government is the solution to all problems are consistently elected. It is little wonder that this attitude is reflected in Congress and in the White House.

If America is ever to return to the system of governance created by the Founding Fathers, it will have to begin at the local level, where city councils and county commissions honor and respect the limitations of government power, rather than continually striving to expand government power. State and congressional candidates often move up the political ladder from these positions. Consequently, the current crop of officials and candidates do, in fact, represent the will of the people who elected them.

Too often, the people who complain most bitterly about the direction of the country and the failure of politicians are the people who are not involved in the selection or the election of candidates. Too few people are involved in political parties at the county and state level, where the candidates are groomed. Too few people ever get involved in an election campaign.

The simple truth is that the people who believe that government should abide by the limits imposed by the Constitution have been outworked and outnumbered by the people who want government to ignore those limitations.

Franklin Roosevelt completely ignored the constitutional limitations of governmental power and was re-elected again and again. Since then, the nation has moved further and further away from the system of government created by the Founders.

Roosevelt was re-elected because he used the power of government to take money from those who had it and give it to those who had none. During the Roosevelt years, this was a very popular system of governance, especially among the recipients, who always outnumber – and out vote – those from whom money is taken.

Just how far the nation has strayed from the Founders' vision is reflected in the campaign speeches of every candidate. The promise from all the candidates is more government and less freedom. It will likely remain so unless a new generation of candidates can be cultivated, starting in every city, county and state.


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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2004, 03:56:40 PM »
Start a rumor Kerry has WMD's


(weapons of mass destruction)


I didn't say that?   ... oh look I did!

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2004, 05:15:33 AM »
Liberalism is a disease, and  the by products are Tyrants, Despots and evil dictators.  And WMD are product of their rule...so it's not a rumor.  Kerrys and his liberal cohorts have led us down this path and allowed an enviroment for WMD's to flourish in the hands of our enemy.

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2004, 05:34:53 AM »
We must remember amidst all the cries from the liberals---read socialists---- read Democrats----during the last 40 or so  years of the evil of atomic weaponry and the propensity of Goldwater, Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43---- Republicans--- to use these weapons------EXACTLY  under WHOSE adinistration were they invented, used, and  then allowed to be stolen to begin the spread of WMD's------the liberal Democrat icons FDR and Truman. See any irony here,hmmmmm?     pg
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2004, 06:35:28 AM »
I am s State Trooper and I believe that if more law abiding citizens owned guns crime would decrease.  I don't see ownership of guns as a problem.  I believe as long as you are not a criminal you should be able to by any (including assault rifles) weapon you want.

One thing you have got remember is that you will not hear Kerry say that the criminals who used the guns should have been in jail and not out on the street in the first place.  All liberals want to believe that when the criminals serve a very small percentage of their sentence they are rehabilitated.  When in reality it is second time offenses that should have been prevented by those scumbags being locked up.  You guys know as well as I do, that even if the guns are outlawed the criminals will still get them.  First of all these dirtbags are not obtaining them legally anyway.  If Kerry things a law preventing the ownership of these is going to stop anything he is stupider than he looks.  Hum lets see there is a law against illegal drugs,  and I seem to keep arresting people for that.  

I will tell you one thing for sure, if there ever comes a time when we as police officers are told to take guns away from law abiding citizens I will quit my job and become one of the citizens who will become criminals by owning guns.

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2004, 09:09:01 AM »
how do we get this word out to those who can either swing a vote or quash it before Kerry even gets to the front of the line.  While it is true that zealots never listen to reason and most of those who support kerry won't listen to any adversarial statements about him, the word still needs to be stated loudly, and clearly, so that those who can think and there are more of us than they, can prevent another klinton whitehouse.  Mikey.

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2004, 02:15:48 PM »
man, these gunboards are such bandwagons. since i dont care to ride 'em, i'll take the opposite view just because no one else has.

where he stands on guns is not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, at least not to me.

i'd swap whatever his view is on guns is for someone who wont sell out the ordinary guy to his rich pals. they got huge tax breaks while old people miss meals to pay for medicine and working people like me go without health insurance. they even get tax breaks when they outsource work that we could do here.

he pretty much gave the world the finger and went into iraq anyhow which is why we now get to foot the entire bill. and as i said when he started the whole idea, it wasnt even necessary. if a simpleton like me could figure it out, why couldnt he and cheney, our de-facto president... because they had it planned way before 911.

the list is a lot longer but this is old stuff already. before the barrage begins, remember i have made no personal attack on anyone here. havent even made a political type slur. thank you.

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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2004, 04:39:25 PM »
Hi Targetshootr
Well, I will play the devil's advocate to your statements.
Bush did not give tax breaks to the wealthy. He reduced tax rates for eveybody. The wealthy still pay more taxes then antbody else. How much tax should a wealthy person pay? Federal tax rates reach 35%. http://taxes.yahoo.com/rates.html
Is 35% too low? If a person makes $350,000 a year, how much of that 350,000th dollar should the feds take? More than 35%? All of it? Should the country make it illegal to earn over a certain dollar amount?
Regarding the Iraq war, should the US let France tell us when we can go to war? Do you really want to give France the power to veto US foreign policy? Iraq had WMD. It used gas to kill 5,000 Kurds. It supported terrorism. Saddam paid tens of thousands to families of Palistinian suicide bombers. A million people died in the wars Saddam started with Iran and Kuwait. That OK with you?
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2004, 04:58:57 PM »
OK, ironfoot, we're off to a good start then....   where do these guys get the tax breaks for the rich thing?  If you don't feel like your paying your fair share, Kerry's got a great plan...
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040310/D817KIM80.html

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i'd swap whatever his view is on guns is for someone who wont sell out the ordinary guy to his rich pals. they got huge tax breaks while old people miss meals to pay for medicine and working people like me go without health insurance. they even get tax breaks when they outsource work that we could do here.

same old democraptic rhetoric.  ....yada yada Republicans steal from the poor to give to the rich, starve the seniors and deny the schoolkids their lunches... to make their rich pals get richer.  And lets not forget how they take all the money out of that mythical 'social security lock box' BUNK!  

The whole "Bush outsourced all the jobs"  thing is getting really old too.  NAFTA started with Clinton.  Guess what? FREE TRADE IS GOOD and will lead to economic recovery.  FREEDOM is always the solution.  What would be BAD is if the gov't put up fences to keep the 'jobs' in the country (This is Kerrys' plan).  ... Then the domestic business owners could not compete cost effectively and would end up GOING OUT OF BUSINESS altogether,  resulting in NO JOBS.  

Its simple supply side economics, it works EVERY TIME.  As opposed to the result when gov't suppresses the FREEDOM to run a business profitably.  

Do you want socialized medicine?  Goto France.  15000 people died there last summer because they had a heat wave (probably brought about by global warming blamed on Bush's 'failed' env.  policy!) and the socialized medical system couldn't handle it.  15000 thats 5X as many people as we lost on 9/11!  

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he pretty much gave the world the finger and went into iraq anyhow which is why we now get to foot the entire bill. and as i said when he started the whole idea, it wasnt even necessary. if a simpleton like me could figure it out, why couldnt he and cheney, our de-facto president... because they had it planned way before 911.


I know, I know, they did it all for OIL too,  right?  It was all a plan to make Bush & Cheney's oil buddys richer right?  Do you wear a NO BLOOD FOR OIL tshirt too?

Kerry voted to disarm Saddam, and is on the record making statements fully supporting Bush to do so, based on the same intelligence that was presented to Bush.   Now he's just undermining our troops with his hypocritical political BS.   He OFFERS NO SOLUTIONS, only criticism of everything Bush does.

Lets put Kerry in office and watch how fast he'll cater to the UN and France and the socialist Euroweenies.  Thats all we need.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2004, 01:16:56 AM »
Quote from: ironfoot
Iraq had WMD. It used gas to kill 5,000 Kurds. It supported terrorism. Saddam paid tens of thousands to families of Palistinian suicide bombers. A million people died in the wars Saddam started with Iran and Kuwait. That OK with you?


fine with me. just as it was with reagan, bush 41, rumsfield and the rest when hussein was our guy because he was in a war with iran, our enemy at the time. why suddenly care now?

i'll go even further. i hope our next president takes legal action against bush and his cohorts, if only to signal to the rest of the workd that we havent lost our collective minds after all. that we dont just prosecute people when they tell petty lies, but biggun's too.

kerry hit the nail on the head when he called those boys liars. the only reason they havent been impeached is because republicans control congress.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2004, 01:44:50 AM »
Lets take a look at what the Democrats had to say:

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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
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"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
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"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
-Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
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"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
-Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
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"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
-Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
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"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
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"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
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"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
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"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept 19, 2002
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"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
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"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
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"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
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"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
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"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
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"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
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"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
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"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
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"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction"
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
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"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime . He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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I'm curious what is the most common cause of death to police officers. If  1 in  4 are killed from an assult rifle how do the other 4 die?
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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040312-120719-7926r.htm

Kerry fails to back up foreign 'endorsements'

By Charles Hurt and Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    Sen. John Kerry refuses to provide any information to support his assertion earlier this week that he has met with foreign leaders who beseeched him to prevail over President Bush in November's election.

    The Massachusetts Democrat has made no official foreign trips since the start of last year, according to Senate records and his own published schedules. And an extensive review of Mr. Kerry's travel schedule domestically revealed only one opportunity for the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee to meet with foreign leaders here.

    On Monday, Mr. Kerry told reporters in Florida that he'd met with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him.

    "I've met with foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly," he said. "But, boy, they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' Things like that."

    Aides and supporters of Mr. Kerry have said providing names of the leaders or their countries would injure those nations' ongoing relations with the current Bush administration.

    "In terms of who he's talked to, we're not going to discuss that," spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said yesterday. "I know it would be helpful, but we're not going into that. His counsels are kept private."

    Mr. Kerry has made other claims during the campaign and then refused to back them up, including statements that Mr. Bush delayed the deal with Libya to give up its weapons of mass destruction program for political reasons.

    Republicans have begun calling Mr. Kerry the "international man of mystery," and said his statements go even beyond those of former Vice President Al Gore, who was besieged by stories that he lied or exaggerated throughout the 2000 presidential campaign.

    "I think it's beyond that level. The results of this week, I think he's going to have a very serious credibility problem with the American people," said Rep. Deborah Pryce, Ohio Republican and chairman of the House Republican Conference.

    The Kerry campaign declined to say where or when Mr. Kerry met with foreign leaders and discussed his presidential campaign, which officially began Sept. 2 last year. They refused to give any hints about the leaders such as what region, what continent or even which hemisphere they're from. The Kerry aides also have refused to say how many foreign leaders privately have endorsed their boss.

    According to travel records kept by the Secretary of the Senate, Mr. Kerry's last official trip abroad was in early 2002 when he visited the United Kingdom, Jordan, Egypt and Israel. The only other trip noted in Senate records since that time is an October 2002 domestic trip to Charleston, S.C., to appear on MSNBC's Hardball program.

    The Washington Times also scoured White House, State Department and other public records for all official trips made to the United States by foreign leaders since the start of last year. During more than 30 such trips, Mr. Kerry was out of town campaigning, at home or in the hospital for a prostate-cancer operation, according to his travel schedules from this year and last.

    The only instance found when Mr. Kerry was in the same town as a foreign leader was Sept. 24, when New Zealand Foreign Minister Philip Goff was in Washington meeting with State Department officials. On that day, according to his schedule, Mr. Kerry received the endorsement of the International Association of Fire Fighters in Washington.

    Meanwhile, Mr. Bush was in New York meeting with the leaders of Germany, India, Pakistan, Ghana and Mozambique on that same day.

    Pressed about the lack of evidence for any such meetings, Ms. Cutter said world leaders are weary of Mr. Bush's "go-it-alone" handling of the war in Iraq.

    "After September 11, we had an enormous amount of good will from around the world for helping us seek out who was responsible" for the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, she said. "This administration quickly squandered that good will by pursuing a very arrogant foreign policy. It's time to rejoin the community of nations."

    It may well be true that leaders are pulling for Mr. Kerry to win.

    A survey of world opinion in 2003 for the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found that in most countries, Mr. Bush ranked lower in popularity than Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, French President Jacques Chirac and British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

    Other presidential candidates also have been dogged by charges they were not truthful. In 1988, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., Delaware Democrat, withdrew from the presidential campaign after news reports that he had lifted whole passages from speeches by British Labor party leader Neil Kinnock.

    Republicans said they are beginning to see a pattern in Mr. Kerry's remarks.  <<Yeah, they're all BS!>>

    In a February meeting with the editorial board from the New York Daily News, Mr. Kerry said Mr. Bush, for political reasons, delayed closing the deal to have Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi surrender his weapons of mass destruction program.

    "There's evidence that we could have had that deal some time ago," Mr. Kerry told the newspaper, saying he had heard "from friends in the British government that the deal was in a slow lock."

    But the paper said Mr. Kerry refused to give specifics.

    Then earlier this month, Mr. Kerry called for an investigation into whether the U.S. overthrew Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, telling NBC's "Today" show a "very close friend in Massachusetts" had talked with people who had made accusations that Mr. Aristide had been kidnapped.

    "I don't know the truth of it. I really don't. But I think it needs to be explored, and we need to know the truth of what happened," Mr. Kerry said.

    Republicans said Mr. Kerry's remarks remind them of former Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark, who said — and later recanted — that he knew of a secret Pentagon memo listing the next countries after Iraq to be attacked in the war on terror.

    In a speech to the Dupage County Lincoln Day dinner in Oak Brook, Ill., last night, Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie said Mr. Kerry has "a more vivid imagination than General Clark."

    "Kerry's imaginary friends have British and French accents," Mr. Gillespie said.

    Sen. George Allen, Virginia Republican and third-highest ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said such a political conversation occurring between a U.S. senator and the leader of a foreign country is hard to imagine.

    "It would just be so inappropriate," he said. "I think it would be insulting."

    Several foreign leaders denied having any such conversations with Mr. Kerry, including Mr. Schroeder, whose spokesman issued a denial.

    And Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer told Australian radio this week that the remarks certainly didn't come from Australian leaders. He said it's not right either for leaders to make those comments or for a candidate to make them public.

    "I think it's probably better to keep foreign leaders and the views of foreign leaders out of domestic elections, I mean, certainly we do that here in this country. I mean, people express different views to you, if you're a candidate, I tend not to pass on those kinds of views publicly," he said.

    Even if Mr. Kerry's comments are true, several Republicans said, it's hardly something to brag about.

    Republicans mocked Mr. Kerry after European newspapers reported that North Korea leader Kim Jong-il would prefer that Mr. Kerry win.

    "Rather than dealing with President George W. Bush and hawkish officials in his administration, Pyongyang seems to hope victory for the Democratic candidate on November 2 would lead to a softening in U.S. policy towards the country's nuclear-weapons program" according to London's Financial Times, which said that Mr. Kerry's speeches are being broadcast on Radio Pyongyang and reported in "glowing" terms.

    "The mullahs in Iran probably don't care to have Bush in there because he won't suffer terrorists or the country's that harbor them," said Mr. Allen. "I want a president who cares about what's right rather than the U.N. protocols."

    And a poll taken by Andres McKenna Polling and Research found that Americans overwhelmingly believe "the terrorists would prefer" Mr. Kerry to win the election.

    The poll of 800 registered voters, taken in February, showed 60 percent thought terrorists would be happier with Mr. Kerry, while just 25 percent said the terrorists would prefer Mr. Bush.

    Said Ms. Cutter: "I don't care what the Republicans are saying. The story here is the good will squandered by the Bush administration."

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2004, 12:00:44 PM »
In all the classes I have had in officer safety, I don't recall them saying any police officers being killed by assault rifles.  The majority of deaths is from traffic crashes, where someone else strikes an officer.

Like I said before talk to most police officers and you will hear that ownership of guns by "law abiding citizens" is a good thing.

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Iraq had WMD. It used gas to kill 5,000 Kurds. It supported terrorism. Saddam paid tens of thousands to families of Palistinian suicide bombers. A million people died in the wars Saddam started with Iran and Kuwait. That OK with you?


Targetshootr quote: "fine with me. just as it was with reagan, bush 41, rumsfield and the rest when hussein was our guy because he was in a war with iran, our enemy at the time. why suddenly care now?"

Ironfoot response: Well it wasn't fine with Bush 41. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, Bush 41 reacted and set Kuwait free. (So we aren't suddenly caring now.) The gassing of the Kurds certainly wasn't endorsed by Bush. Liberals don't seem to know which to complain about. (Should  they complain we should have intervened with force sooner? Or should they complain we intervened in Iraq too quickly because France did not give us a permission slip?) So they complain about everything.
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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2004, 03:57:09 AM »
Hay guys - got the perfect place for hanoi john 'the liberal' kerry - Spain.

They've just elected a socialist government that wants to pull the Spanish troops out of Irag.  Gee, it's funny but the new Spanish leader sounds an awful lot like hanoi john.................................

Can we get this bum a free ticket the hay out of the US??   I'll chip in, right now.  Mikey.