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Economist proposes a fairer federal tax plan
 
“I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization.”

— Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., former U.S. Supreme Court Justice

Justice Holmes is quoted by renowned economist Jeffrey D. Sachs in his new book, “The Price of Civilization.” Today I want to lean on Sachs' analysis to explain some of the most important facts about the cancerous growth of our federal government's budget deficit.

One thing I really like about Sachs' analysis is the fact that he presents the budget figures in relation to our nation's gross domestic product (GDP), i.e., the government's annual spending as a percentage of the total value of the nation's annual output of goods and services.

He demonstrates that under our current tax system, the federal government will collect tax revenues equal to about 18 percent of GDP in 2015. That will not even cover mandatory spending, military spending and interest on the debt, which together will equal some 20 percent of GDP. Adding in other expenditures brings likely total 2015 federal expenditures to 24 percent of GDP.

In other words, we are heading toward a 2015 budget deficit equivalent to 6 percent of GDP. Sachs explains why the idea that we can make a meaningful dent in this deficit by spending cuts alone is a dangerous fantasy.

Consider some of the politicians' favorite targets for cuts. Earmarks, or the pet projects of individual congresspersons, amount to all of 0.1 percent of GDP. Foreign aid amounts to 0.2 percent of GDP.

Then there are the mandatory programs. Those that are universal, that benefit everyone, such as Social Security, Medicare, federal employee benefits, and veterans' benefits, which amount to two thirds of mandatory spending, almost 10 percent of GDP.

There is no real appetite or reason for cutting these.

The mandatory programs that are means tested and can be thought of as transferring money from the better off to the poor have little fat on the bone. Medicaid (health care for the poor) is about 2 percent of GDP. Cutting that makes no sense unless we are comfortable with the idea of stepping over and around people dying in the streets.

Food stamps amount to 0.5 percent of GDP and the earned income tax credit 0.3 per cent. Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, which is what remains of our former welfare programs, amounts to all of 0.1 percent of GDP.

So how do we get rid of a budget deficit equal to some 6 percent of GDP?

As far as spending goes, the only real fat is in the bloated military and intelligence budgets. Sachs recommends cutting the military by at least 1.5 percent of GDP (from 4 percent to 2.5 percent) by ending the Iraq and Afghan wars, cutting procurement of unneeded weapons and scaling back foreign bases.

Then he points out that the rich, who have benefited most from our civilization, need to pay their due. Currently the richest, the top 1 percent, pay about 31 percent of their income in federal taxes, as opposed to 47 percent in 1970. He recommends that at a minimum, the Bush tax cuts should be ended for households with incomes of more than $250,000.

He also recommends:

• Raising capital gains tax levels to equal those on ordinary income.

• Limiting the mortgage interest deduction to one home of a limited size.

• Levying a tax on the net worth of households with more than $5 million in assets.

Other important revenue measures include closing the scandalous corporate tax loopholes, including foreign tax havens. The loopholes have been a force helping to bring corporate taxes down to 1.5 percent of GDP from 3.5 percent in the 1960s.

And Sachs calls for imposing a small tax on short-term Wall Street transactions, most of which are essentially gambling. Even a small tax on these could bring in a lot of revenue.

In general, Sachs' program would look something like this: The military cuts would be offset by higher expenditures on necessities such as infrastructure. But revenues would be increased by some 5.5 percent of GDP, with 2 percent coming from higher taxes on the rich, 1 percent from closure of corporate tax loopholes, 1 percent from taxes on short-term Wall Street trades, 0.5 percent from taxes on carbon emissions and 1.5 percent from a VAT (value-added tax) on all but necessities.

http://www.postindependent.com/article/20120712/VALLEYNEWS/120719976/1022&parentprofile=1077
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If you take the TOTAL income of all earned income taxpayers, not just tax it, it will not cover our expenditures.
 
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When Regan cut taxes revenue went up.
 
Increse taxes in the economy will contract. Revenue will most likely decrease. The government needs to do what every other entity from families to businesses do, keep their spending equal to or less than income.
 
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Someone can consume more than he produces only by borrowing from those who produce more than they consume. When the producers become wise to your lying promises, and see no progress, the game is over.
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Someone can consume more than he produces only by borrowing from those who produce more than they consume. When the producers become wise to your lying promises, and see no progress, the game is over.

Well put indeed!! But concerning the first sentence, Libs don't understand that at all & hence the fight will continue.
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Sounds good Crusty, trouble is, politicians never met a tax payers dollar that they didn't want to spend. gypsyman
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The part of the Bush tax cuts for people making over $250,000 per year lowered the government's income by $800 billion per year. It has been 12 years. That means the richest people in the country got out of paying $9.6 trillion dollars over that period. Without that deficit increasing setup by GW, our national debt would not have grown by that much. We would still have an AAA+ credit rating.

Goldman Sachs, whom we the taxpayers bailed out, stated last year that their holdings in just DERIVATIVES, that is, about 30% of their total worth, was $45 trillion (it was actually over $49 trillion). One company. 1/3 their total worth. 3 times the US national debt. If you'll notice, when people say you could take all the money from all the rich people and it would not put a dent in the national debt, they are always careful to say if you took all the money from all the richest HOUSEHOLDS. If corporations are people, besides making Romney a murderer (he destroyed corporations at Bain, after all), those "people" should be paying tax. If one company could pay off the national debt of the United States with 1/9th of its total worth, then those "people" are not paying their fair share.
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That sounds pretty good........until one looks at the REAL worth of Goldman Sachs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs

The one realizes that the above is just more political propaganda BS. 45 trillion is about as fake a number as any ever pulled out of someones arse! ::)
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Blaming the rich for our federal deficit and debt is subterfuge at its best--or worst.  It's obvious that unrestricted government is to blame and it wouldn't matter how much the rich are taxed, the same out of control spendthrifts in government would soon want more.  And that ignors the untold destruction to our economy that would result from the insane attempt to satisfy government greed.
 
It has now been certified by the Supreme Court that taxes are a penalty, so I have to wonder--what have the rich and successful done that deserves to be penalized?  And let's be clear, the rich already pay more than their fair share of taxes, whether by percent of income, or straight up dollars paid.  Only the liberals are able to rationalize that the rich somehow derive more benefit from government and citizenship than the unwashed masses.
 
Long before any consideration of an upward adjustment in tax rates, the federal budget (if we actually had one) must be picked to pieces.  When the government can make little goofs like paying out $14 billion more in unemployment benefits than what the law allows and countless other errors and duplications, the last thing we need is for the guvmint to have is even more revenue to squander.
 
I would, however, agree to a plan that would require all Dumycrats to pay taxes based on the rates that obtained under the Clinton Administration. 
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