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Ron Paul searching for delegates?? For WHAT??
« on: July 14, 2012, 01:38:53 AM »
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 It's D-Day for Ron Paul's 2012 InsurgencyBy Chris Good | ABC OTUS News – 2 hrs 9 mins ago.Today will mark the end, or the ultimate success, of Ron Paul's delegate insurgency.     After a primary campaign in which Paul's team focused on the most ignored parts of the GOP process, winning delegates in overlooked caucus states and organizing around delegate votes at state conventions, Paul supporters will have their last chance today to ensure an official presence for Paul at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla.
The Nebraska GOP convention - the last in which delegates will be up for grabs - will offer a long shot at putting Paul over a critical threshold.
Paul is on the cusp of winning enough support to secure a 15-minute speaking slot and to have his name placed on the ballot of official candidates for the nomination at the Republican National Convention in August.
Mainstream Republicans would blanch at such a prospect, given that Paul's views on the Federal Reserve, currency, foreign policy and America's global military presence run antithetical to Republican orthodoxy. Republican Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman, a supporter of Mitt Romney, has been making phone calls and organizing delegate support for Romney to block Paul's supporters at the state convention.
If Paul can demonstrate the support of a plurality of delegates from five states, Republican National Committee bylaws require he be allowed to speak in Tampa. Paul has enough delegates from Iowa, Minnesota and Maine, and Louisiana's still-disputed delegation could put him over the five-state mark, if his supporters prevail in Nebraska.
Paul backers will face long odds in Nebraska, where the convention's voting attendees were selected in early June at county conventions. Attendees of those events had to register by March 1, meaning that Saturday's outcome reflects a months-long organizing push by libertarian supporters of Paul.
"We have a rough count" of state-convention delegates and whom they support, said Laura Ebke, who leads the Nebraska chapter of the Republican Liberty Caucus and who is the chief organizer of Ron Paul supporters in the state. "We don't have a majority. We have a significant minority."
Saturday's results will depend on who shows up. The convention provides for 400 voting delegates, but state party Executive Director Jordan McGrain said he does not expect all to attend. More than two thirds will likely show up, he said.
Paul, who has stopped campaigning in new states, is not personally organizing around the Nebraska convention, Ebke said. According to Ebke and McGrain, neither Paul nor Romney have staff in the state working on this event.
The Republican candidate and libertarian hero will have a presence in Tampa, Fla., regardless of what happens in Nebraska. His campaign is planning a rally, and supporters have planned a festival, to coincide with Tampa's preparations for the Republican National Convention.
But unless Paul meets the RNC requirements as a candidate for the nomination, he has no guarantee of an official presence inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum. He'll be at the mercy of convention organizers and presumptive nominee Mitt Romney to grant him speaking time, entrance to the event and visibility as a participant.
In 2008, Paul was shut out of the Republican convention in Minnesota. As delegates rallied around the ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin in the Staples Center, Ron Paul held his own event across town.
Paul's status has risen since then, as he outdid his 2008 vote totals in key states along the way in 2012, but his views still make him a pariah to some. It's been suggested, most prominently in a column by Republican tax maven Grover Norquist, that Romney would be wise to seek a reconciliation with Paul in an attempt to bring his supporters into the fold.
Paul's campaign expects to bring as many as 500 supportive delegates to Tampa, out of 2,286 total, meaning his floor presence could be noticeable with or without the assent of Romney and the convention's organizers. But unless his backers can overcome long odds in Nebraska, Paul is guaranteed nothing from those putting on the event.Also Read
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Re: Ron Paul searching for delegates?? For WHAT??
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2012, 02:38:39 AM »
For WHAT?

So that his message can be heard at the convention, so that maybe it will get some people thinking and possibly save what's left of the Republican party.

In case you haven't noticed, the Republican candidates for president get more liberal with each election. The Republican party is dying a slow, painful death. You need look no further than the Bush years when he had a Republican House and Senate. Instead of reducing the size of government they spent way more than they received in taxes, they increased the size of government astronomically and took away more of our freedoms. Hardly "conservative".

Ron Paul was our only chance at saving the Republic. The "real conservatives" rejected him in droves in favor of extremely liberal candidates with the most liberal candidate getting the nod. You reap what you sow, the Republican party is just about dead as is the Republic. The piper will be getting paid at some point.

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Re: Ron Paul searching for delegates?? For WHAT??
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 03:36:03 AM »
For WHAT?

So that his message can be heard at the convention, so that maybe it will get some people thinking and possibly save what's left of the Republican party.

In case you haven't noticed, the Republican candidates for president get more liberal with each election. The Republican party is dying a slow, painful death. You need look no further than the Bush years when he had a Republican House and Senate. Instead of reducing the size of government they spent way more than they received in taxes, they increased the size of government astronomically and took away more of our freedoms. Hardly "conservative".

Ron Paul was our only chance at saving the Republic. The "real conservatives" rejected him in droves in favor of extremely liberal candidates with the most liberal candidate getting the nod. You reap what you sow, the Republican party is just about dead as is the Republic. The piper will be getting paid at some point.

How long would your household last if you borrowed 40 cents for every dollar that you spent?

Good points, we will see soon if it matters, hopefully it will.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2012, 05:27:06 AM »
Well, I guess if my household had a seeming unlimited credit and the ability to print legal tender, it might last long enough.
 
Ron Paul and supporters grasping at legitimacy defines "tilting at windmills."  But what the hell--go for it.
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Re: Ron Paul searching for delegates?? For WHAT??
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2012, 05:42:03 AM »
I agree guys, but at tis point all he is doing is further dividing the party and strengthening the obama supporters resolve. I'm glad his son Rand has the sense to see that Romney is the only hope we have of ridding America of the illegal kenyan. Ron now is simply a spoiler. The fact is that Romney or obama will be the presdident for the next 4 years. I don't really like Romney but he is our only hope of dethroning the liberal democrats messiah. I don't think that we gun owners can afford not to do everything in our power to defeat the evil that is squatting in the oval office. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Ron Paul searching for delegates?? For WHAT??
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2012, 06:03:47 AM »
I agree guys, but at tis point all he is doing is further dividing the party and strengthening the obama supporters resolve. I'm glad his son Rand has the sense to see that Romney is the only hope we have of ridding America of the illegal kenyan. Ron now is simply a spoiler. The fact is that Romney or obama will be the presdident for the next 4 years. I don't really like Romney but he is our only hope of dethroning the liberal democrats messiah. I don't think that we gun owners can afford not to do everything in our power to defeat the evil that is squatting in the oval office. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
And with that there is absolutely nothing else to say on the subject. Well put sir very well put.
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Re: Ron Paul searching for delegates?? For WHAT??
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 06:19:19 AM »
Well, I guess if my household had a seeming unlimited credit and the ability to print legal tender, it might last long enough.
 
Ron Paul and supporters grasping at legitimacy defines "tilting at windmills."  But what the hell--go for it.

There is no such thing as unlimited credit, at some point the lenders will cut it off if they aren't getting paid which brings up the next point - the more money you print the less it becomes worth. There will be a train wreck at some point, it's happening in Europe now and it already happened with the Soviet Union. We're next.

It isn't about Ron Paul's "legitimacy", it's about waking everyone up. We're about to fold as a country but nobody seems to care as long as their guy Romney gets in. Even if Romney gets in we're still stuck at square one because he won't do a thing to stop the train wreck. The fact that people who claim to be conservative will constantly belittle Ron Paul, the only person talking about the impending train wreck is proof that this country is in serious trouble.

It isn't about which liberal is in office for the next 4 years. Radical changes need to be put in place in order to stave off a meltdown. Your boy Romney the liberal isn't going to do a thing about it even if he gets in by some miracle.

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2012, 06:21:46 AM »
The fact that people who claim to be conservative will constantly belittle Ron Paul, the only person talking about the impending train wreck is proof that this country is in serious trouble.


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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2012, 08:02:20 AM »
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I agree guys, but at tis point all he is doing is further dividing the party and strengthening the obama supporters resolve.

I think I have to disagree that Ron Paul is diving the republican party. They are dividing themselves, which each passing year they get less and less conservative and more socialistic.  Ron Paul tried to help them, but they may be beyond repair.  He is not strengthening the Dem's, the reps are doing that all by themselves. 
I did not walk away from the republican party because they are conservative, I left because they are not. Let me know when they are, I'll listen. I do not think we need to blame anyone for the demise of the republican party, they need to take the blame for that themselves. To even blame someone else for the rep party problem is in itself...left wing thinking.  Think about it.   
 
 

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2012, 08:59:11 AM »
The fact that people who claim to be conservative will constantly belittle Ron Paul, the only person talking about the impending train wreck is proof that this country is in serious trouble.


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At best all that's being chosen is whose at the wheel as the bus gets driven off the cliff. Those who think they're making a determination as to the direction the country is headed in this election are sadly delusional.

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2012, 11:08:45 AM »
I agree that the rep party has been pushing libby, weak candidates the past 2 elections. Mccain was the worst of all the nominees no doubt. There are a lot of things I don't like about Romney, but he's way ahead of what I see as the worst, most arrogant, disrespectful  president to ever sit in the oval office. The only reason I'm for Romney is that he is the ONLY one running with a chance to dethrone the liberal democrats chosen one. I see nothing but evil in obama, he must go, and the only way that is gonna happen is to vote for Romney. You guys can toss your vote out the window and say you have your pride and principals, but that aint gonna get  the obamination out of the whitehouse. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 11:23:20 AM »
Some people have a hate of Obama so much that the are willing to give up their freedom, liberty and country just to make sure that he is not reelected. It is the Rep party that gave us the Patriot act, TSA, drones flying over our heads, a police state, medicare part D,  and two wars for no good reason than to make their cronies wealthier. Ron Paul gave the party hope and it was rejected; and return it to it's roots. I have already given up on it's resuscitation. That much corruption cannot be repaired. It must be swept away. It will do that itself; it is participating in it's own demise and so is the other head of the snake.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2012, 12:18:12 PM »
Some people have a hate of Obama so much that the are willing to give up their freedom, liberty and country just to make sure that he is not reelected. It is the Rep party that gave us the Patriot act, TSA, drones flying over our heads, a police state, medicare part D,  and two wars for no good reason than to make their cronies wealthier. Ron Paul gave the party hope and it was rejected; and return it to it's roots. I have already given up on it's resuscitation. That much corruption cannot be repaired. It must be swept away. It will do that itself; it is participating in it's own demise and so is the other head of the snake.
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  What he is doing by rounding up supporters is legal and may even be helpful.  He does add some good ideas to the discussion..limiting the fed, stop spending in a BIG way etc.
  Some of his ideas seem a bit "out there" to many of us..isolationism..wide open party on illicit drugs etc.  If we are fortunate, his good ideas may be adopted and his bad ideas tossed out.. a possible win/win.
 
  Curiously, with him being an MD, I expected to hear from him,much condemnation of Obamacare...did I miss it ?
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2012, 12:30:02 PM »
Some people have a hate of Obama so much that the are willing to give up their freedom, liberty and country just to make sure that he is not reelected. It is the Rep party that gave us the Patriot act, TSA, drones flying over our heads, a police state, medicare part D,  and two wars for no good reason than to make their cronies wealthier. Ron Paul gave the party hope and it was rejected; and return it to it's roots. I have already given up on it's resuscitation. That much corruption cannot be repaired. It must be swept away. It will do that itself; it is participating in it's own demise and so is the other head of the snake.
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  What he is doing by rounding up supporters is legal and may even be helpful.  He does add some good ideas to the discussion..limiting the fed, stop spending in a BIG way etc.
  Some of his ideas seem a bit "out there" to many of us..isolationism..wide open party on illicit drugs etc.  If we are fortunate, his good ideas may be adopted and his bad ideas tossed out.. a possible win/win.
 
  Curiously, with him being an MD, I expected to hear from him,much condemnation of Obamacare...did I miss it ?


If you just watch Fox news or MSNBC, then you will prob. miss what Paul has to say about important issues.
RON PAUL: OBAMACARE AN “UNCONSTITUTIONAL MONSTROSITY”[/font]
Ron Paul rightly blasts[/size][/font][/color] ObamaCare as an “unconstitutional monstrosity” and yet we might see this week whether or not the Supreme Court agrees. As Dr. Paul has pointed out time and again, ObamaCare is but the latest example of a federal government that behaves as if the Constitution doesn’t exist. The American Spectator’s[/size][/color]James Antle makes a similar point regarding this week’s decision:
Today the Supreme Court begins to hear a constitutional challenge to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare. But this case really goes a long way toward deciding whether we have constitutionally limited government at all…If the Supreme Court accepts the individual mandate, even under the pretext of regulating interstate commerce, the federal government will have exactly what those who framed and ratified the Constitution sought explicitly to deny it: a general police power. If the Court accepts that the individual mandate is a legitimate tax, then the federal government can levy taxes for any purpose, not just to carry out functions delegated to it by the Constitution…But what’s at stake here isn’t a particular health care policy, or the legacy of one president, or the outcome of a single presidential election. It is whether we respect that Founding Fathers’ idea of a federal government whose powers are few and defined, laid out in a Constitution that imposes substantive as well as procedural limits on federal power. It is hard to rule in favor of Obamacare without ruling against the Founders’ Constitution.
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2012, 12:57:46 AM »
   I gather news from many sources, but haven't heard Paul's response before, probably because since the primaries have been settled, he doesn't garner a great deal of press coverage.  I am pleased to hear he is on the correct side of the issue, perhaps that is one of his ideas which he can insist upon at the Republican convention. I doubt he would get much resistance on that from the delegates, since it seems to be a Republican mainstream idea.
   Ron Paul has the wisdom to go ahead and try to bring some Republicans to his view, and in this case he will, since most are there already.  Other ideas & options, he can present at the convention..
    In considering our "founding fathers", I am pleased to see that he is sharp enough to recognize what they had in mind.
  That is, "bring your ideas to the table..let's discuss, bargain & horse trade" ...just like THEY did in colonial days. 
   
 I am pleased to see he is not going to go off into a corner and hold a "pity party".  He gave it a good run..offered what he had but did not get the "brass ring".  Maybe some day Rand Paul can do something with his ideas.
 
Ron is still in there, "fighting the good fight", rather than abandoning his principles..good for him !
 
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        Obama loves that idea..were we conservatives to bow to HIS wishes..
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2012, 04:09:58 AM »
Have any of you heard the term "preaching to the choir?"  Of course we know the country is in trouble and of course Romney wasn't our first, or even second, or third choice.  But for Pete's sake--it is what it is.  You've got to play the hand that is dealt.
 
Ron Paul is a good guy, but he is not the only one who knows how far we're in the toilet.  I would hope that he does get a chance to speak at the Republican convention, but I'm not pinning all the hopes for this country on him giving the speech of the century that will turn things around. 
 
As much as it frustrates all of us, there are only three things short of an armed rebellion that is going to start to set the course of the nation back on track and that is to elect more Republican Senators, hold the House and elect Romney.  That's just the way it is.
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2012, 05:01:59 AM »
Have any of you heard the term "preaching to the choir?"  Of course we know the country is in trouble and of course Romney wasn't our first, or even second, or third choice.  But for Pete's sake--it is what it is.  You've got to play the hand that is dealt.
 
Ron Paul is a good guy, but he is not the only one who knows how far we're in the toilet.  I would hope that he does get a chance to speak at the Republican convention, but I'm not pinning all the hopes for this country on him giving the speech of the century that will turn things around. 
 
As much as it frustrates all of us, there are only three things short of an armed rebellion that is going to start to set the course of the nation back on track and that is to elect more Republican Senators, hold the House and elect Romney.  That's just the way it is.


Well! He will prob. not get a chance to speak because Nebraska just gave it's delegates to Romney and Paul is now out That will make a bunch in DC happy, and I'm sure a few here on the forum.
I doubt they will even give him the courtesy of an invitation to speak.Not sure what third party candidate will be on the ballot here in the peoples republic of Oregon, but I am sure they will be a better choice for President than the other two.(YEA I KNOW) wasting my precious vote......;lol! I agree with Pat Buchanan! Really doesn't matter.It's just a matter of time.


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I believe government has gotten too huge. Republicans have colluded with Democrats to make it so and I am pessimistic that we’re ever going to be able to turn this around.
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2012, 05:11:46 AM »
From NW Hunter;
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Pat Buchanan: I am more of a traditionalist conservative than I am a libertarian but I share with Ron Paul the view that America has become an over-extended empire. After the Cold War we should have downsized the empire dramatically and returned to become a more normal nation in a more normal time.

I believe government has gotten too huge. Republicans have colluded with Democrats to make it so and I am pessimistic that we’re ever going to be able to turn this around."
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  I can pretty well agree with that, although I still believe we were dragged into a religious war, worldwide in scope and not of our making... 
   Pessimistic..but God willing, not hopeless...
 
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2012, 09:54:29 AM »
Frank Chadorov was the last of the old right in the old republican party, even as the GOP was being taken over by the Trotskyites. (If you want to know about Trotskyites, read this short piece:  http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2012/04/good_piece_on_the_trotskyite_r.html)
Chadorov understood that society and government were separate entities. The growth and power of the latter meant the demise of the first. The reasons are both the economic interference in the free market as well as a demise in society itself. Surely, you have noticed that as more laws have been made, society becomes more lawless. Adjusted for inflation, living standards have fallen to where it now takes two working parents to keep up a family. We are witnessing what Chaderov predicted. Ron Paul represented the old right and that is why he is so much hated by the republican establishment. I doubt that they will let him speak. If you understand this, you will see why Romney is as dangerous as Obama.
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2012, 10:22:52 AM »
From NW Hunter;
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Pat Buchanan: I am more of a traditionalist conservative than I am a libertarian but I share with Ron Paul the view that America has become an over-extended empire. After the Cold War we should have downsized the empire dramatically and returned to become a more normal nation in a more normal time.

I believe government has gotten too huge. Republicans have colluded with Democrats to make it so and I am pessimistic that we’re ever going to be able to turn this around."
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  I can pretty well agree with that, although I still believe we were dragged into a religious war, worldwide in scope and not of our making... 
   Pessimistic..but God willing, not hopeless...
 

Both good posts!!! I personally believe we need to bring our troops home from around the world and use them to protect our borders. However most of the so called conservatives today scream that this is "isolationist", which it is not. Paul is perfectly willing to engage in trade, not the same thing at all. But frankly, these continuous "wars" are bleeding us to death and they have gained us nothing, least of all allies!
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Re: Ron Paul searching for delegates?? For WHAT??
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2012, 10:52:01 AM »
Frank Chadorov was the last of the old right in the old republican party, even as the GOP was being taken over by the Trotskyites. (If you want to know about Trotskyites, read this short piece:  http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2012/04/good_piece_on_the_trotskyite_r.html)
Chadorov understood that society and government were separate entities. The growth and power of the latter meant the demise of the first. The reasons are both the economic interference in the free market as well as a demise in society itself. Surely, you have noticed that as more laws have been made, society becomes more lawless. Adjusted for inflation, living standards have fallen to where it now takes two working parents to keep up a family. We are witnessing what Chaderov predicted. Ron Paul represented the old right and that is why he is so much hated by the republican establishment. I doubt that they will let him speak. If you understand this, you will see why Romney is as dangerous as Obama.
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    ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D
    There you go...giving uis a link to nutsy Lew Rockwell, who is not exactly an even-handed Encyclopedia Britanica.. ;)   :D   ;D
   Really, you simply must employ more circumspection..  Check out more credible sources..or at least opposing views.
  Your statements that the current right side of politics is "Trotskyite" is downright laughable.  Trotsky was an avid, confirmed communist.  The only thing  to distinguish Trotsky among the commies..is that he wasn't Lenin or Stalin..policy disagreements, you know.
  Now, Frank Chadorov was no conservative... he wouldn't make a patch on a complete conservative's sitter !  After all, a complete conservative believes in conserving the fiscal and social policies as well as the values of our founding fathers and the heritage given us by oue American ancestors..ever since there has been an America   Chadorov is basically a Libertarian, which is not a conservative.
  Some libertarian positions do come from the right..spending, taxing and fiscal policies..while others it would appear come from the left, their social  and cultural values it seems, are definite left leaners..drugs, abortion, their apparent views on marriage & family, plus..some even swallow Darwinism.
  Truly, Libertarianism does not come entirely from the RIGHT !   
       They are more like RIGHT...LEFT...RIGHT...LEFT  ... Shucks;...reminds me of my days in the Army... ;)   ;D   ;D
  The complete conservative endorses the fiscal, social and values heritage in it's entirety
   It's not the conservative Republicans who are presently preaching class warfare, war on women, drug legalization, abortion, and spending like drunken sailors..oops sorry...sailors spend their own money. 
  So, the closest thing you will find to Trotskyism, is today's Democrats.
       Here's a description of Trotskyism..by real, complete conservatives:
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Trotskyism
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2012, 01:24:23 PM »
As much as it frustrates all of us, there are only three things short of an armed rebellion that is going to start to set the course of the nation back on track and that is to elect more Republican Senators, hold the House and elect Romney.  That's just the way it is.        MAGOOCH. Very true Sir and ya can't elect Romney and get the illegal kernyan out of the whitehouse by tossing your vote in the can. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2012, 01:29:38 PM »
The "complete" conservative believes in stealing 1 TRILLION dollars from the taxpayers to fight a 40 year war on drugs that has yielded no reduction in the amount of drug users.

The "complete" conservative believes in stealing another 1 TRILLION dollars from the taxpayers to fight 2 unconstitutional wars

The "complete" conservative believes that the government should be large enough to force it's view of morality on everyone.

Wow, you "complete" conservatives are all about small government. ???


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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2012, 12:23:40 PM »
The "complete" conservative believes in stealing 1 TRILLION dollars from the taxpayers to fight a 40 year war on drugs that has yielded no reduction in the amount of drug users.

The "complete" conservative believes in stealing another 1 TRILLION dollars from the taxpayers to fight 2 unconstitutional wars

The "complete" conservative believes that the government should be large enough to force it's view of morality on everyone.

Wow, you "complete" conservatives are all about small government. ???
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   Obviously, you STILL don't have even the vaguest idea what a complete conservative is...
  A complete conservative stands by frugality..if they don't, then obviously they are not a complete conservative.
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2012, 12:45:40 PM »
The "complete" conservative believes in stealing 1 TRILLION dollars from the taxpayers to fight a 40 year war on drugs that has yielded no reduction in the amount of drug users.

The "complete" conservative believes in stealing another 1 TRILLION dollars from the taxpayers to fight 2 unconstitutional wars

The "complete" conservative believes that the government should be large enough to force it's view of morality on everyone.

Wow, you "complete" conservatives are all about small government. ???
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   Obviously, you STILL don't have even the vaguest idea what a complete conservative is...
  A complete conservative stands by frugality..if they don't, then obviously they are not a complete conservative.

Obviously you STILL don't even have the vaguest idea what sarcasm is.

I know what a complete conservative is, you sir are not one of them. There is nothing conservative about spending 1 Trillion dollars on a "war on drugs" that has yielded a MUCH bigger government and no reduction in the amount of drug users in the US. There is nothing "frugal" about that yet you support it.

I'm sure you'll have a reply which somehow tries to prove that spending 1 Trillion of our tax money on something ineffective like the "war on drugs" makes you a "complete conservative". Your way of thinking is no different than a liberal who thinks that banning guns somehow prevents gun violence.


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Re: Ron Paul searching for delegates?? For WHAT??
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2012, 12:56:56 PM »
   
 As U.S. citizens, probably the most 'fatal to freedom' mistake we can make, is to simply refuse to participate. 
        Obama loves that idea..were we conservatives to bow to HIS wishes..
it seems that Ron Paul followers are the ones who refuse to participate.  Is this the stance of Ron Paul??
I never heard anything but ugly accusations about any candidate from Ron Paul.
does he endorse anyone but himself??  that seems as arrogant as obama.
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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2012, 01:01:31 PM »
  Of course it is conservative to attempt to preserve a culture which has been comparatively drug free for nearly 300 years..that is a very conservative position.
   Of course those already hooked on a smoke, toke or coke..doesn't appreciate such efforts..but that is to be expected..
 
    Just FYI;
 
 
  con·serv·a·tive   /kənˈsɜrvətɪv/ [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv]    adjective  1.  disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.  2.  cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.  3.  traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.  4.  ( often initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to the Conservative party
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2012, 01:06:00 PM »
  Of course it is conservative to attempt to preserve a culture which has been comparatively drug free for nearly 300 years..that is a very conservative position.
   Of course those already hooked on a smoke, toke or coke..doesn't appreciate such efforts..but that is to be expected..
 
    Just FYI;
 
 
  con·serv·a·tive   /kənˈsɜrvətɪv/ [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv]    adjective  1.  disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.  2.  cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.  3.  traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.  4.  ( often initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to the Conservative party
well said.
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2012, 01:13:11 PM »
   
 As U.S. citizens, probably the most 'fatal to freedom' mistake we can make, is to simply refuse to participate. 
        Obama loves that idea..were we conservatives to bow to HIS wishes..
it seems that Ron Paul followers are the ones who refuse to participate.  Is this the stance of Ron Paul??
I never heard anything but ugly accusations about any candidate from Ron Paul.
does he endorse anyone but himself??  that seems as arrogant as obama.

Hey! When your are right, you are right! And when they are wrong, they are wrong! ;D
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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2012, 01:17:05 PM »
   
 As U.S. citizens, probably the most 'fatal to freedom' mistake we can make, is to simply refuse to participate. 
        Obama loves that idea..were we conservatives to bow to HIS wishes..
it seems that Ron Paul followers are the ones who refuse to participate.  Is this the stance of Ron Paul??
I never heard anything but ugly accusations about any candidate from Ron Paul.
does he endorse anyone but himself??  that seems as arrogant as obama.

Hey! When your are right, you are right! And when they are wrong, they are wrong! ;D
I'm sorry that you're so wrong, I'll pray for you. ;D
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