Author Topic: My New Ruger (Read 14737 times)

Swampman · « **Reply #60 on:** July 24, 2012, 11:34:10 AM »

Ruger and a couple of others offer them. They make 3, 5, and 10 rounders. They come in polymer or metal.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #61 on:** July 25, 2012, 01:05:15 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on July 22, 2012, 11:46:04 AM

This rifle has some important features that Remington doesn't offer. It's a tank!

HOLY COW ! Remington taking a back seat to Ruger !

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #62 on:** July 25, 2012, 01:21:53 AM »

I like the rifle as a good survival rifle. It has rear scope mounting for traditional hunting. It has the scout scope mounting allowing for quick reloading from the top if needed from strippers. It has magazines that can also be used quickly. 3 or 5 for hunting, and 10 for survival emergencies. It also has iron sights if the scope breaks or something. It is also a 308 using standard military ammo. I also think the 308 is probably one of the best all round big game cartridges for North America. It can bring down anything even large bears with a 180-200 grain bullet. It also has a screw on flash hider that can be removed and a suppressor screwed on in its place if you want to go that route. Finally it can be tweeked to see what factory load is most accurate if you don't reload. Being a 308, there are a lot of factory choices. Even if it is only 2" at 100, that is 4" at 200, and 8" at 300 yards. That is accurate enough for most big game hunting and survival if you have to encounter a 2 legged predator. What more big rifle can a survivalist ask for?

Swampman · « **Reply #63 on:** July 25, 2012, 02:09:20 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on July 25, 2012, 01:05:15 AM

Quote from: Swampman on July 22, 2012, 11:46:04 AM
This rifle has some important features that Remington doesn't offer. It's a tank!

HOLY COW ! Remington taking a back seat to Ruger !

Sometimes we have to make choices. I prefer Fords but I don't believe Ford makes a good sub-compact so I drive a Toyota personally.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #64 on:** July 25, 2012, 02:28:10 AM »

I drive a Ford , wouldn't fit in a sub compact !

pastorp · « **Reply #65 on:** July 27, 2012, 03:57:43 AM »

I prefer Fords as well, but sometimes I buy the "best buy". So I end up driving something other than my first choice.

Right now I have a ford F150 my favorite truck.

New trucks are so expensive I now buy used. And that limits what I can find.

Since Swampy is into creating controversy, changing brands after all the years of outlandish claims about Remington's, makes perfect sense to me. Just part of the old TROLL thing..

Regards,

Cheesehead · « **Reply #66 on:** July 27, 2012, 07:15:32 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on July 24, 2012, 11:34:10 AM

Ruger and a couple of others offer them. They make 3, 5, and 10 rounders. They come in polymer or metal.

So the Ruger mags fit no other rifle?

Cheese

Drilling Man · « **Reply #67 on:** July 27, 2012, 07:52:17 AM »

Quote from: pastorp on July 27, 2012, 03:57:43 AM

Since Swampy is into creating controversy, changing brands after all the years of outlandish claims about Remington's, makes perfect sense to me. Just part of the old TROLL thing..

Regards,

AND you accused him of not having an open mind! lol

AND THE WINNER IS....... Bills post!!! I found it VERY funny! Now, where did i put that dictionary.........so i can see a pict of swamp gas! lol

DM

pastorp · « **Reply #68 on:** July 27, 2012, 08:11:15 AM »

Yes DM many of us missed it on that call, however his goal remains the same.

Yes ole Bill calls it like it is,

Regards

Swampman · « **Reply #69 on:** July 27, 2012, 02:15:22 PM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on July 27, 2012, 07:15:32 AM

Quote from: Swampman on July 24, 2012, 11:34:10 AM
Ruger and a couple of others offer them. They make 3, 5, and 10 rounders. They come in polymer or metal.

So the Ruger mags fit no other rifle?

Cheese

They fit any rifle that uses AI mags.

Swampman · « **Reply #70 on:** July 27, 2012, 02:17:55 PM »

Quote from: pastorp on July 27, 2012, 03:57:43 AM

I prefer Fords as well, but sometimes I buy the "best buy". So I end up driving something other than my first choice. Right now I have a ford F150 my favorite truck.
New trucks are so expensive I now buy used. And that limits what I can find.

Since Swampy is into creating controversy, changing brands after all the years of outlandish claims about Remington's, makes perfect sense to me. Just part of the old TROLL thing..

Regards,

If it bothers you, that's reason enough. This rifle is far from perfect. In fact it's proven me right again. No suprise there. Haven't been wrong yet.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #71 on:** July 27, 2012, 02:56:55 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on July 27, 2012, 02:15:22 PM

Quote from: Cheesehead on July 27, 2012, 07:15:32 AM
Quote from: Swampman on July 24, 2012, 11:34:10 AM
Ruger and a couple of others offer them. They make 3, 5, and 10 rounders. They come in polymer or metal.

So the Ruger mags fit no other rifle?

Cheese
They fit any rifle that uses AI mags.

Meaning, M1A type rifles?

Cheese

Swampman · « **Reply #72 on:** July 27, 2012, 09:55:29 PM »

Accuracy International makes magazines for several types of sniper rifles. Ruger was unable to get M-14 magazines to feed reliably. There are 3-4 companies that make magazine that fit the Scout. I want a polymer 3 and 5 rounder. "The original designer of the style of magazine these rifles use is Accuracy International. It is the standard for detachable box magazine aftermarket conversions on various brands of bolt action rifles. It is often referred to as AICS, which stands for Accuracy International Chassis System, because Accuracy International also sells replacement "bottom metal" or "chassis" for converting a standard bolt gun to accept their detachable box magazine. Lots of custom rifle makers utilize this system, so it is not proprietary to the Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle. Accuracy International is located in England.

You may have noticed that the magazine that comes with the Ruger is not marked Accuracy International or AICS. It is marked Accurate Mag. Accurate Mag is an American based company that makes a high quality exact copy of the AICS magazine.

Both of the above companies utilize a single column/single feed design. Think of the 1911 pistol as an example of this. Rifles such as the AR-15 and M-14 utilize a double column/double feed design where the top round in the magazine changes sides from left to right back and forth with each round. High capacity pistols such as the Browning High Power utilize a double column/single feed design.

I noticed that there is a lot of side to side wiggle room inside the magazine that came with the Ruger Scout Rifle. This tells me that the single column magazine is wider than it has to be. A new company called Alpha Industries is manufacturing a double column/single feed design magazine for rifles that accept AICS or Accurate Mag style magazines. The 10 round Alpha Industries magazine is only 3 1/2" long versus 5 1/2" long for the 10 round AICS or Accurate Mag. This means that the Alpha Industries 10 round magazine is about the same size as the AICS or Accurate Mag 5 round magazine. The Alpha Industries magazine is also manufactured from teflon coated stainless steel as opposed to the blued carbon steel of the AICS or Accurate Mag, so it should be more durable."

Brithunter · « **Reply #73 on:** July 28, 2012, 10:44:31 PM »

Accuracy International is a company set up by Malcolm Cooper the Gold Medallist in rifle shooting who won Gold at successive Olympics:-

http://www.accuracyinternational.com/about_us.php

Using his knowledge the Palma Match rifle was made which is a solid floored single shot target rifle that uses a lot of the features of the military/tactical "sniper" rifles the All Weather series which is in service around the world with various military and agencies in that role.

I do not think AI make magazines for other makes only their own AI rifles.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #74 on:** July 29, 2012, 03:10:24 AM »

So, this Ruger rifle uses a single stack, single feed mag?

Cheese

mannyrock · « **Reply #75 on:** July 29, 2012, 04:01:36 AM »

Yep. That's why the 10 round magazines hang out of the bottom of the rifle like a brick.

An 8 round mag would be more practical, size wise, but I doubt anyone will ever make one.

Swampman · « **Reply #76 on:** July 29, 2012, 05:51:24 AM »

I uses either one. The Ruger brand 10 round metal mag is a single stack single feed. The others are not. That's why they are much more compact. When I get the 3 and 5 round poly mags, I'll never use the 10 rounder. The poly mags can be topped off without removing them from the rifle.

Spanky · « **Reply #77 on:** July 29, 2012, 06:16:05 AM »

I wish I was the moderator of this forum... a whole bunch of posts would be in the trash where they belong. It's too bad Swampy can't open a decent thread without Laurel and Hardy running their mouths.

That being said... I like the rifle Swampy and I hope you get it shooting to your liking.

Spanky

mannyrock · « **Reply #78 on:** July 29, 2012, 07:12:49 AM »

Spanky,

Wow. Hope you didn't mean me.

The purpose of these forums is the expresssion of full and fair comment and opinion, accompanied by respectful and robust debate. :-) These are not cheerleader boards for everyone who buys a new rifle or has a specific viewpoint.

Swampy certainly pulls no punches when he is sizing up a rifle or disagreeing with another viewpoint.

Most of the written reviews on the Ruger Scout list the single stack magazine as the number one negative. Glad to hear that someone is making an aftermarket double stack. Hopefully Swampman will buy a 10 rounder and lets us know how it works.

Best, Mannyrock

Cheesehead · « **Reply #79 on:** July 29, 2012, 07:19:15 AM »

I also would like to know, how the 10 round double stack fits and performs.

Cheese

Spanky · « **Reply #80 on:** July 29, 2012, 07:21:31 AM »

Not you Manny. I think debate and a little friendly ribbing is a good thing but the guy is constantly getting torn apart by two guys inparticular and it's ridiculous. Not to speak out of turn but it doesn't help when the bossman himself takes a turn in the antics. That being said... it's not my site and not my rules so there's not alot I can do other than keep it off my forums.

Spanky

Bugflipper · « **Reply #81 on:** July 29, 2012, 07:34:47 AM »

Swampy, if you don't like the 2 moa, why not convert one of your already owned rems? I imagine you have seen the m14 and fal conversions. Also there is Mo Defina who has gotten the $5 hk91 mags to fit and feed reliably in a 700. As well as the badger and AI kits, and the knock offs of those that are about $100 cheaper for the kits. Cabelas sells a "kwik clip" conversion for long action rems that feeds pretty reliable. CZ has their 550 line with mags as well as the 750 mags that are interchangeable if a fellow wants higher capacity. Plenty of options out there for sub moa, if you don't like what you are getting.

Harry Snippe · « **Reply #82 on:** July 31, 2012, 01:58:51 AM »

Here hope Swampy will work with that ruger abit and tighten the groups .I know the Man likes his remington brand and there is nothing wrong with that .
But I am glad he also has Winchesters and worked with them .
I tend to respect a man a bit more for going that .

I like my Fords and worked at their dealerships for over thirty years .My Wife drives a GM and I must agree this is a great little car . Still I shall drive a Ford truck 'cause I like them .

Swampman · « **Reply #83 on:** July 31, 2012, 02:09:19 AM »

I'm impressed with the ruggedness of this rifle. I'm sure it will shoot better the more it's shot. I can break clays with it at 100 meters so I suspect it will be good enough to supply skillet meat.

Swampman · « **Reply #84 on:** September 01, 2012, 01:48:33 PM »

Out again today with two more brands of ammo. 2-3 MOA is the best it would do. Pretty disgusted....

mcserpent · « **Reply #85 on:** September 01, 2012, 03:27:54 PM »

You have been hand loading since you where like six, whats the issue ? A good hand loader should be able to make any rifle shoot.

Swampman · « **Reply #86 on:** September 01, 2012, 03:48:53 PM »

Do you really believe that?

bilmac · « **Reply #87 on:** September 01, 2012, 03:49:10 PM »

I've been down the road Swampys headed a couple of times with Ruger rifles. About 2 moa was the best they would do. I thought for sure I could find some magic handload that would make them shoot.

I can tell all the rifles that gave me trouble in the past, I have dozens of cards of load data for them, but I don't have the rifles anymore. On the other hand the guns that shoot good, I have just a few cards with load data and the rifle resides in my cabinet.

Swampman · « **Reply #88 on:** September 01, 2012, 03:53:33 PM »

I suspect this one is headed down the road......Ignored my own advise. How many times do I have to hit my thumb with a hammer before I figure it out. I wish Ruger would buy Savage. I like everything about a Ruger but it's lack of accuracy. The only thing I like about a Savage is it's accuracy. They might make a great team.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #89 on:** September 02, 2012, 03:40:52 AM »

How many times have i said in here, "you buy a Ruger, then throw money at it until you get it where it SHOULD have been in the FIRST PLACE"!!

Even the great Gandhi, "swampgas" can't seem to get it!

DM