Author Topic: Say What?  (Read 604 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline crustylicious

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 697
  • Reading is fundamental, comprehension optional!
Say What?
« on: July 16, 2012, 06:14:54 AM »
"With regard to any foreign investments, I understand, and you understand of course, that my investments have been held by a blind trust, have been managed by a trustee. I don't manage them. I don't even know where they are."
-- Mitt Romney, campaigning against Barack Obama in 2012

"The blind trust is an age-old ruse."
-- Mitt Romney, campaigning against Ted Kennedy in 1994
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so sure of themselves, and the wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
"The speaking in perpetual hyperbole is comely in nothing but love" Francis Bacon, Sr.
Voting is like driving a car- choose (D) to go forward- choose (R) to go backwards!
When all think alike, no one thinks very much. Albert Einstein

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Say What?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 06:34:41 AM »
Sounds like he is learning ...........................
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Say What?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 06:36:16 AM »
Sorta like if I can't fix the economy in 3 years I will step down .........................
 
How do you know a politican is lieing ? THEIR LIPS ARE MOVING  ;)
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline Needles

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 169
  • Gender: Male
  • What the Thinker thinks the Prover proves.
Re: Say What?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 06:49:44 AM »
He's painted himself into a corner--- like Boener said, the only votes he will get are going to be because the voters dislike him less than they dislike Obama.The Bubs better start planning for 2016. They've lost 2012.
Jim

"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, the night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man."  Patrick Rothfuss

Offline lakota

  • Trade Count: (26)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3472
  • Gender: Male
Re: Say What?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 06:50:26 AM »
"The individual mandate is a penalty not a tax!"
 
“By the way, if you’ve got health insurance, you’re not getting hit by the tax,”
Hi NSA! Can you see how many fingers I am holding up?

Offline Needles

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 169
  • Gender: Male
  • What the Thinker thinks the Prover proves.
Re: Say What?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 06:56:08 AM »
"Read my lips: NO New Taxes."    Bush 41

"Mission Accomplished!" GW
Jim

"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, the night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man."  Patrick Rothfuss

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Say What?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 07:06:27 AM »
"The individual mandate is a penalty not a tax!"
 
“By the way, if you’ve got health insurance, you’re not getting hit by the tax,”

Really ? if you sell your home under the Obama health care bill you pay a tax  10% of sale price I heard. There are other taxes also , dream on if you don't think you will pay more tax.
say you work for a good company who decides to let all employees get their own insurance thru govt or what ever. They give you what they had been paying in insurance for you , nice guys. Ok you now pay tax on the money  ;) and bet you can't get insurance of equal coverage for the same cost , it will be more .
this is all in the OHCB .
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline Needles

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 169
  • Gender: Male
  • What the Thinker thinks the Prover proves.
Re: Say What?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 07:25:52 AM »
If you work for an employer that pays for all or part of your insurance, the employer gets a tax break and you get that "benefit" added to your income. In other words, you're paying tax on the insurance NOW.
Jim

"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, the night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man."  Patrick Rothfuss

Offline lakota

  • Trade Count: (26)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3472
  • Gender: Male
Re: Say What?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 07:48:08 AM »
"Read my lips: NO New Taxes."    Bush 41

"Mission Accomplished!" GW

Now thats some timely info right there!
Hi NSA! Can you see how many fingers I am holding up?

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Say What?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 07:59:47 AM »
If you work for an employer that pays for all or part of your insurance, the employer gets a tax break and you get that "benefit" added to your income. In other words, you're paying tax on the insurance NOW.

of course if you have one employee decide they would rather use the govt health care the employer had to pay a penalty . now at that point why furnish insurance ? you have paid the fine. Also in construction where some don't provide insurance it can be a problem to bid aginst them if you provide insurance (a cost they don't have) .
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline jimster

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2237
  • Gender: Male
Re: Say What?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 10:04:48 AM »
Quote
If you work for an employer that pays for all or part of your insurance, the employer gets a tax break and you get that "benefit" added to your income. In other words, you're paying tax on the insurance NOW.
Wrong.  Read the health care regulations, you must not have.
If your employer does not jump on the government health care plan, they are penalized...our company sent out this information a while back to all employees, they listed the laws involved, they dropped priority health and jumped into another insurance plan, our costs went up, they told us die to regulations coming they had to make a move. We pay more now...and have insurance through the company.
 
False information comes from not reading the legislation your backing up....read it yourself, don't take your parties word for anything. This mess of legislation will cost us all more money, including companies that already offer us insurance.
Almost nobody has actually read the legislations/regulations/tax/penalty laws, they act like they know a lot, they don't.

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Say What?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2012, 10:07:33 AM »
read it ? the guys who passed it didn't read it but hey it didn't effect them now did it ! ;)
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline m-g Willy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1739
Re: Say What?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2012, 10:24:20 AM »
"Read my lips: NO New Taxes."    Bush 41

"Mission Accomplished!" GW

WOW! Now you are going back to Bush sr. .
Aahhh...---NEWS FLASH---
THIS IS ---2012---
BTW- What do you think about ending slavery? And do you think Lee will fight for the North or the south?
 

Offline jimster

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2237
  • Gender: Male
Re: Say What?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2012, 10:39:26 AM »
It took me about a month to get through 70 percent of it, readding it in my spare time...then spent several more weeks trying to get the rest of it done.  Still not done...but for the most part, I can talk about it...Needles should not be saying anything about it until he takes the time to read it. It funnels money we don't have almost every bad place you can think of, bass akwards legislation, if you own a business it will hurt you, if you are a citizen with a job it will hurt you, if you are an insurance company it will hurt you...everyone gets hurt. Now there have been a couple of democrats who finally took some time to skim though some of it, they say it needs to be rewritten..LOL!! 
Bottom line is there are many people, including the people in congress and our president who have not read any of it...which I expect, but to listen to people who have not read it like Needles and tell us what is is about or whats in it is way less than honest.
If Needles read it...you would not hear another word about the health care plan from him, he would be embarrassed such a thing passed congress in the first place. Not to mention what he already posted.   Add to that many places have already signed waivers to not do it, and these places were represented by dems in congress who suppported it, but never read a thing. And..I'll probably never read legislation like that again...its not only a major pain, it makes you very mad to see whats in it, and whats tacked on it.  Very LITTLE of this legislation has anything to do with health care at all.....most of it is growing government employees by leaps and bounds, not to mention thousands of IRS agents...it's all government growth and power, and a take over of health care. Which means it's already bankrupt, cause everything the government takes over is bankrupt...just another FACT I thought I'd throw in there.
Remember...the dems in Congress had to bribe each other with our tax dollars to get yes votes....they didn't like it either, but got money sent to their broken states to vote yes.  The dems could not get enough yes votes without being bribed to sign it. Which makes it illegal far as I'm concerned. All criminals...all of them.
Must be millions of people out there that think they know whats in it...without reading a bit of it.
Your money will go to government employees and a much bigger government...nothing to do with actual health care.  It's a money pit already and most of it has not kicked in just yet....but what has kicked in...raised the insurance rates already. It will do the opposite of what government says it will.
 
 

Offline Needles

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 169
  • Gender: Male
  • What the Thinker thinks the Prover proves.
Re: Say What?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 12:01:19 PM »
Some of y'all need to update your tax software. Do not misunderstand. I'm not thrilled with Obama, and I'm not that crazy about the healthcare law. But, here's what I see: the conservatives completely refuse to acknowlege that millions of people are uninsured, or that that is a problem. The regressive politicians are still refusing to admit that this IS a problem, or even that the problem exists. They consistantly give interviews where they come across as not giving a rat's behind about a large percentage of the people. They have no plan, nor did they ever have a plan, because they have never acknowleged the problem. The ACA, bad though it may be, was passed because they did nothing. Their whole campaign for this November rests on them repealing the ACA, and then doing nothing again. They are going to lose. They will not lose because the ACA is a bad law, but because they are blind to the problems it tries to remedy, and they offer nothing. Voting against the other guy is not the same as voting for your guy. Both parties are corrupt, and both parties take money from the same people.
Jim

"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, the night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man."  Patrick Rothfuss

Offline jimster

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2237
  • Gender: Male
Re: Say What?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2012, 01:21:42 PM »
Quote
the conservatives completely refuse to acknowlege that millions of people are uninsured, or that that is a problem.
False...never met anyone conservative or otherwise who said all people were insured.  We know there is a problem. Obviously government is not the answer, they are bankrupt and fail at everything they take over.  Why give them something as large as healthcare when they are unable to do simple tasks, such as a budget, protecting your wealth, or even protecting our borders?
Quote
They have no plan, nor did they ever have a plan,
False...there have been plenty of ideas thrown at them, but they refuse to listen or accept anything from anyone.
Quote
They are going to lose.
We all already lost...all of us.
Quote
Both parties are corrupt, and both parties take money from the same people.
This is true....glad we can agree on that.  I'm not involved with either party.
I am unwilling to give up any basic liberties in the name of anything or anyone. 
We could have bought 30 million health care policies for cheaper than the health care take over....would have been done and over with by now, we could have just added it to the debt, there is no budget anyways....sometimes things are so simple, people make them so complicated for no reason.
 
I might add...the socialists who passed this law do not care about your health care or anyone elses...they care about the power of government, and government growth.  Which is what happens when they take over anything. Government growth means dependency, dependency means votes, votes means contant power and money. If yhey really cared about real health care they would have just bought insurance policies and added it to the debt like everything else they do.  but then it would have been OVER and DONE...no power, no government take over. 
Those couple thousand pages of legislation was not about health care.