Privacy is a thing of the past!

[nw_hunter]

So much for privacy....On your person, or in your home.
You don't think the department of Homeland Security will use this device to violate our rights do you?
With this device at 50 yards away we won't know its even happening.



http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/12090-dhs-to-deploy-new-scanners-that-secretly-search-from-50-yards-away

[Doublebass73]

Frightening

[BUGEYE]

probably BS.  if it was so secret, we wouldn't know about.  and the technology just isn't there to search your suitcase from a distance.

[highwayman]

this has been going on since the goverment made the nsa years ago.

[Conan The Librarian]

This device originally appeared post war WWiI as the Gonkulator, as revealed in the subversive espionage thriller Hogan's Heroes.

[BUGEYE]

This device originally appeared post war WWiI as the Gonkulator, as revealed in the subversive espionage thriller Hogan's Heroes.

[Brett]

Ever watch the TV program Person of Interest?   The machine is watching us.   

[powderman]

I see nothing to worry about here, imam obama is in charge, he'll save us. WE all trust him, RIGHT?? POWDERMAN. 

[Doublebass73]

probably BS.  if it was so secret, we wouldn't know about.  and the technology just isn't there to search your suitcase from a distance.

Bugeye,

I didn't know you had a degree in Electrical Engineering with a specialty in RF technology. Where did you get your undergraduate degree?

Also, could you please explain to us laymen why the technology doesn't exist to search your suitcase from a distance?

[williamlayton]

Man--in all of his self-made magnificance--created this.
We only want privacy for ourownselves.
Blessings

[BUGEYE]

probably BS.  if it was so secret, we wouldn't know about.  and the technology just isn't there to search your suitcase from a distance.

Bugeye,

I didn't know you had a degree in Electrical Engineering with a specialty in RF technology. Where did you get your undergraduate degree?

Also, could you please explain to us laymen why the technology doesn't exist to search your suitcase from a distance?

check what you had for breakfast???  check your adrenaline level???
I guess if you check my stomach, the biscuits will be over in one corner, the gravy in another corner and the coffee somewhere in the middle.  or will it all be jumbled together in a nasty looking mess?    your cool-aid is tainted.

oh, and I just can't go along with everything about the john birch society.
 

[SHOOTALL]

Did you ever believe the scanner the Dr. used on the show star wars would come true ? seems it has.

[BUGEYE]

whatever man can conceive and believe, man can achieve.  I don't remember who said that.
however, checking my stomach contents and adrenaline level from 50 yards away hasn't been achieved yet.

[nw_hunter]

About 60 years ago, I spent several of the summer months visiting with my cousin in the country.
By country, I mean they didn't have electricity or running water.Lighting was a coal oil lamp and T paper was Sears&Roebuck.Water was drawn from a well in the back yard.
If someone had told my uncle that in a few short years we would have men walking on the moon, he would have rolled his eyes and said......Yea! and pigs will be flying by then.I'm not sure he ever really believed the photo's taken of the moon walks were real.He was not a stupid man, but some folks are just a little slower coming around.
The story I posted was from the New American.....A John Birch publication. I'm sure there are other publications running it.The JBS, in case some are not familiar with it, is a very CONSERVATIVE org. Not sure why some so called conservatives today have doubts about the direction of the JBL.They aren't perfect, and this story could be BS, but with their track record, I doubt it.

[SHOOTALL]

one shouls also consider what ever tech. the govt lets us know exist is in many cases old tech. and better is aval. and in use.
Another consideration is much information gained can't be used in court but it may give the lookers an idea of who to watch. Often illegal only means can't be used in court.
 
its a real can of worms ................

[lakota]

This isn't inconceivable. If they could measure skin temperature, rate of perspiration, the dilation of capillaries in your skin, maybe pupil dilation and plug it into some computer algorithm they could probably get a lot of info with a reasonable degree of error. As for being able to tell what you have in your suitcase or bag or pockets that would probably be even easier.

[SHOOTALL]

so will suppliers come out with SS mesh clothes like the new wallets ? That should make being in an elec. storm exciting 

[Matt]

"S&T’s first project via In-Q-Tel was just announced with a company called Genia Photonics. This company developed a tunable laser source for the medical community and S&T is investigating the feasibility of this technology to perform non-contact, trace explosives detection. S&T expects to close four more In-Q-Tel deals in the next few months. All of these projects are expected to produce transition-ready technologies in the next 12 to 24 months. S&T’s total investment of $6.7 million is leveraging $11.5 million in investments by other government agencies. In addition, In-Q-Tel reports that $1 of government investment can attract $10 in private sector funding."
Sources : http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/testimony/20111117-otoole-scitech-budget.shtm
http://www.geniaphotonics.com/news/2011/11/genia-photonics-is-mentionned-in-the-testimony-of-honorable-tara-otoole-m-d-mph-under-secretary-for-science-and-technology-u-s-department-of-homeland-security/


"The researchers say that accurately determining the chemical composition of objects requires exposing it to different and continuous ranges of terahertz frequencies. MIT professor Qing Hu and colleagues have published a paper in the latest issue of Nature Photonics that outlines a method for tuning terahertz quantum cascade lasers. This is the most promising type of laser to provide the needed terahertz radiation for scanners. Terahertz radiation is also said to be safer for human exposure than x-ray radiation."
Soruce:http://www.dailytech.com/MIT+Researchers+Develop+Tech+for+New+Generation+of+Airport+Scanners/article17062.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25143


Here are some other links.
http://www.iqt.org/
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/GeniaPhotonics/prweb8922932.htm


So Bugeye, it would appear that once again you have spoken on misinformation. The tech is real and is 12 months max from being ready for implementation.  WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!! THEY ARE TELLING US WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO TO US!!!


Matt

[Doublebass73]

check what you had for breakfast???  check your adrenaline level???
I guess if you check my stomach, the biscuits will be over in one corner, the gravy in another corner and the coffee somewhere in the middle.  or will it all be jumbled together in a nasty looking mess?    your cool-aid is tainted.

oh, and I just can't go along with everything about the john birch society.

Once again you avoided the question and changed the subject. Way to argue like a liberal.

One more time. What are your credentials in EE and RF technology that makes you an expert in this subject? Prove us all wrong by explaining from a technical standpoint why this technology can not possibly exist. Do humans have a built in Faraday cage that we don't know about?

I'll sip my tainted Kool-Aid while awaiting your expert explanation.

[BUGEYE]

check what you had for breakfast???  check your adrenaline level???
I guess if you check my stomach, the biscuits will be over in one corner, the gravy in another corner and the coffee somewhere in the middle.  or will it all be jumbled together in a nasty looking mess?    your cool-aid is tainted.

oh, and I just can't go along with everything about the john birch society.

Once again you avoided the question and changed the subject. Way to argue like a liberal.

One more time. What are your credentials in EE and RF technology that makes you an expert in this subject? Prove us all wrong by explaining from a technical standpoint why this technology can not possibly exist. Do humans have a built in Faraday cage that we don't know about?

I'll sip my tainted Kool-Aid while awaiting your expert explanation.

well, you've convinced me.  yesterday I had biscuits, gravy and coffee.  this morning I had soft scrambled eggs, toast, a big bowl of grits and coffee. I'm sure that your machine can look at that mess in my stomach and sort it out for each day.  of course it can look in the stomach regardless of whether you are skinny or big and fat and point out the difference between grits and gravy.
why I've even changed my political views to match yours and NWs but that would be off topic so I'll save that for another thread.   why before you know it, they'll be reading our minds

[Doublebass73]

well, you've convinced me.  yesterday I had biscuits, gravy and coffee.  this morning I had soft scrambled eggs, toast, a big bowl of grits and coffee. I'm sure that your machine can look at that mess in my stomach and sort it out for each day.  of course it can look in the stomach regardless of whether you are skinny or big and fat and point out the difference between grits and gravy.
why I've even changed my political views to match yours and NWs but that would be off topic so I'll save that for another thread.   why before you know it, they'll be reading our minds

I'm shocked that you can't back up your own argument by answering a simple question about your experience with this type of technology.

Your argument as to why this can't exist is equal to "because I said so". You're quite an impressive debater.

[BUGEYE]

Your argument as to why this can't exist is equal to "because I said so". You're quite an impressive debater.

well you kept pushing so I'll answer.  I personally don't have the exact information, but my oldest brother does and when I said you could tell the difference between grits and gravy in my stomach, he suggested that you go back to your super-hero comics.
and shame on the JBS for printing that nonsense as if it were the truth.
there are some amazing things going on in the weapon and detection industry, but reading my stomach contents are not among them, unless of course my grits were radio-active or my biscuits were packed with explosives.
btw, if the JBS says it's so, is it?  nah...
dabater??  I will debate by using common sense.  try it sometime.

[SHOOTALL]

I would think the concern in many cases is that we can be looked at. without a warrant. We have lived under the camera for a long time now but we mostly know when. We now live with cell phones and gps and onstar so in reality where we go and how long we stay is known to those willing to look . What we buy on credit is known to the world and now our bank accounts can be invaded . If you have a smart tag or such it would be as simple as placing a reader anywhere and knowing which cars passed. So what difference does it make if "they" can tell whats in your stomach ? they know you bought it , how you travled to the store , what card you use and how you were dressed already.
Better to pass laws protecting our right to lifestyles than to worry about who sees. The things that make life easy and safe also make it easy to watch us . Better to pass a law that you can swim nude in your private pool then if a drone flys over there is no law being broken. Better to enforce the 2nd and if a gun is spotted on you no law is brken ...................
Seems some want to do things but are embarrased if others know !

[BUGEYE]

So what difference does it make if "they" can tell whats in your stomach ?

you're right.  it doesn't make a bit of difference if they could tell.
I just hate to see people put out stuff that hasn't happened yet.
wait, maybe they took that little martians discomboomulator and reconfigured it.

[SHOOTALL]

I agree but it could be a reality check that we need to strengthen our righis and define our freedoms before the monster is born.

[Doublebass73]

Your argument as to why this can't exist is equal to "because I said so". You're quite an impressive debater.

well you kept pushing so I'll answer.  I personally don't have the exact information, but my oldest brother does and when I said you could tell the difference between grits and gravy in my stomach, he suggested that you go back to your super-hero comics.
and shame on the JBS for printing that nonsense as if it were the truth.
there are some amazing things going on in the weapon and detection industry, but reading my stomach contents are not among them, unless of course my grits were radio-active or my biscuits were packed with explosives.
btw, if the JBS says it's so, is it?  nah...
dabater??  I will debate by using common sense.  try it sometime.

Wow, you heard it from your brother. It must be true. That is some serious common sense.
 

[BUGEYE]

Your argument as to why this can't exist is equal to "because I said so". You're quite an impressive debater.

well you kept pushing so I'll answer.  I personally don't have the exact information, but my oldest brother does and when I said you could tell the difference between grits and gravy in my stomach, he suggested that you go back to your super-hero comics.
and shame on the JBS for printing that nonsense as if it were the truth.
there are some amazing things going on in the weapon and detection industry, but reading my stomach contents are not among them, unless of course my grits were radio-active or my biscuits were packed with explosives.
btw, if the JBS says it's so, is it?  nah...
dabater??  I will debate by using common sense.  try it sometime.

Wow, you heard it from your brother. It must be true. That is some serious common sense.

he dealt in that sort of thing during the last half of his 24yr enlistment.  but no, common sense is when you look at all the evidence and make your assumptions on facts and not blindly follow what someone else posted.  I cranked up my google and worded my search at least 10 different ways and there's not a single word about looking at the grits and gravy in my stomach.
there's lots of amazing things being done, but this isn't one of them.  the JBS prints these stories because the world is full   of people who can't think for themselves.  gotta keep those membership dues coming.
detecting radiation and explosives is a whole "nuther" ballgame.

[SHOOTALL]

If such a thing existed it woild be a blessing to the medical field    people might be glad it existed .

[BUGEYE]

If such a thing existed it woild be a blessing to the medical field    people might be glad it existed .

it sure would be a blessing.  my stomach contents or those of my suitcase are of no consequence.
but a doctor would love it for diagnosis..  maybe someday there will be such a thing.

[Doublebass73]

he dealt in that sort of thing during the last half of his 24yr enlistment.  but no, common sense is when you look at all the evidence and make your assumptions on facts and not blindly follow what someone else posted.  I cranked up my google and worded my search at least 10 different ways and there's not a single word about looking at the grits and gravy in my stomach.
there's lots of amazing things being done, but this isn't one of them.  the JBS prints these stories because the world is full   of people who can't think for themselves.  gotta keep those membership dues coming.
detecting radiation and explosives is a whole "nuther" ballgame.

You sure like to talk out of your fanny.

You have no experience in electronics or RF other than "your brother dealt in that sort of thing". Matt posted some excellent links with discussion from an M.I.T. professor regarding this technology (I'm sure you didn't bother reading them) and you still have no better answer than "Because I said so". You have not backed up your statements with anything that would lead us to believe that this technology isn't possible.

I'm not going to post my resume but my credentials include:

• Currently employed as a cable engineer designing power, high speed data and fiber optic cabling
• Worked on an M.I.T. research and development project that involved high powered laser technology along with high powered HF and microwave technology
• Taught semiconductor and RF theory at a tech school.

I know a lot more about this subject than you obviously do. I can tell you with utmost certainty that this technology is very possible in the near future.

There are many subjects that I am not familiar with or an expert in. Common sense tells me to keep my mouth shut and not make bold statements about a subject that I know nothing about. You ought to try it sometime.