Unbelieveable, I have been enjoying the conversation on the nef site, and had just registered. Still had not made a post or reply, two days later its gone. Glad to see everyone who has found this site. I kinda miss MORTY, does that make me insane? Any way, I have enjoyed learning about nef's, and perhaps will buy one someday (house payment, toddler, ....) My view of the nef's is that they are the working mans contender/encore. Could a bought a 223 super 14 contender from a friend for $200, but then each new barrel is that much too.