Obamacare has started.

[Dixie Dude]

A guy I work with said his neice had an accident in the bathroom and slipped in the shower hurting her knee bad.  She went to the emergency room and had it x-rayed.  They said no bones were broken, gave her crutches, and sent her home.  After she got home, she fell again trying to go down the stairs in her home.  This time on the same leg, she twisted her ankle.  Went back to the emergency room.  They told her she needed to go to her primary care physician for follow up if there was any damage other than broken bones.  All this was on the weekend about a month ago and she has BC/BS in Georgia.
 
Well that next monday she went to her doctor.  Her doctor said because of Obamacare, she would have to wait a week before he could refer her to a specialist.  Well, she didn't get any better, and went back to her doctor.  He refered her to a specialist.  After waiting another week to see the specialist, guess what he told her?  He said she really needed an MRI to see if there was any torn ligaments or cartlidge and if she required surgery.  He said because of Obamacare he could only give her some pain and inflamation medicine and wait to see if it heals up, then he can order an MRI.  It has now been a month, out of work, and no MRI yet. 
 
So I hope all you libs, dems, commies, and socialists are happy, now we are having to wait just like we have been warning you.  This was in Columbus, Ga. 
 

[Cabin4]

No surprise. All anyone would have to do was pay attention during all the debates and comparison to existing socialized medical programs in other countries to know obama care is nothing more than a disaster in the making and simply just a form a wealth redistribution.

[Dixie Dude]

It is worse than what other countries have.  Too much red tape, too many rules, cost too much.  Where are the libs on this?  This is for real. 

[SHOOTALL]

control the food , control the medical care CONTROL THE PEOPLE ? SUBJECTS .

[crustylicious]

She's extremely fortunate she wasn't referred to an Obamacare "death panel"

[Cabin4]

She's extremely fortunate she wasn't referred to an Obamacare "death panel"

Yes, those do in fact now exist under the obamacare in the auspicious of "end of life care" panels. Basically, we will decide when care will stop and when death will begin.
 
 

[garbhead]

A guy I work with said his neice had an accident in the bathroom and slipped in the shower hurting her knee bad.  She went to the emergency room and had it x-rayed.  They said no bones were broken, gave her crutches, and sent her home.  After she got home, she fell again trying to go down the stairs in her home.  This time on the same leg, she twisted her ankle.  Went back to the emergency room.  They told her she needed to go to her primary care physician for follow up if there was any damage other than broken bones.  All this was on the weekend about a month ago and she has BC/BS in Georgia.
 
Well that next monday she went to her doctor.  Her doctor said because of Obamacare, she would have to wait a week before he could refer her to a specialist.  Well, she didn't get any better, and went back to her doctor.  He refered her to a specialist.  After waiting another week to see the specialist, guess what he told her?  He said she really needed an MRI to see if there was any torn ligaments or cartlidge and if she required surgery.  He said because of Obamacare he could only give her some pain and inflamation medicine and wait to see if it heals up, then he can order an MRI.  It has now been a month, out of work, and no MRI yet. 
 
So I hope all you libs, dems, commies, and socialists are happy, now we are having to wait just like we have been warning you.  This was in Columbus, Ga.

The following is from Head of Employee Benefits at a bank where my wife works:

 You can respond by informing him that Health Care Reform (HCR) does not contain any provisions that would make a physician wait for one week before referring a patient to a specialist or immediately recommend an MRI. If the employer’s health plan changed, it is the requirement of the insurance company and does not have anything to do with HCR. HCR does not ration or limit a physician’s ability to treat the patient nor does it contain a waiting period before referring to a specialist. Those changes are the direct result of a health insurance company changing their plan provisions and the employees are blaming HCR instead of their employer for changing their benefits.
 
These people don’t know the first thing about HCR and push their agenda and lies without any facts. HCR will provide better benefits to the majority of people and does not ration or limit care!

 
 
 

[Cabin4]

The impetus for the change is Obamacare and that is the point here.
 
What you are saying is akin to: Gas prices are only high because oil companies are charging more and the obama administrations policy of not approving oil drilling on federal land leases is not to blame even know, it has contstrained our domestic supply output and increased dependency on more expensive foreign supply.
 
The results of a law or regulation are to blame if it causes a reaction in the market, good or bad. Obamacare is all bad, for the 270+ million of us that already have a policy and it is bad for those of us who pay taxes because we will pay more.

[garbhead]

Actually the point is:

Either the BC/BS or the doctor lied to the patient.........and blamed it on Obamacare

Has nothing to do or compare with oil production...although domestic oil production has increased since 2008 and foreign imports have decreased, no matter what you want to believe.

[LONGTOM]

"The following is from Head of Employee Benefits at a bank where my wife works:

 You can respond by informing him that Health Care Reform (HCR) does not contain any provisions that would make a physician wait for one week before referring a patient to a specialist or immediately recommend an MRI. If the employer’s health plan changed, it is the requirement of the insurance company and does not have anything to do with HCR. HCR does not ration or limit a physician’s ability to treat the patient nor does it contain a waiting period before referring to a specialist. Those changes are the direct result of a health insurance company changing their plan provisions and the employees are blaming HCR instead of their employer for changing their benefits.
 
These people don’t know the first thing about HCR and push their agenda and lies without any facts. HCR will provide better benefits to the majority of people and does not ration or limit care!"

 
 
Nothing but BS, especially the part at the end about us having better benefits.
Not to mention all the other BS that has nothing to do with health care that is included in it!!!
Would you like another glass of kool-aid?
 
 
LONGTOM

[DDZ]

I see some people are going to be in for a rude awakening. I guess I should try the "just close your eyes, and ears, and everything will be ok method". Then have the belief that government is here to help you. It appears to work for a lot of people.
Hey, it reminds me of the Pink Floyd song, "comfortably numb" "Hello-Hello- Hello is there anybody in there"? "just nod if you can hear me".... 
Yes we can all just become comfortably numb, and believe government is only trying to help us, and they don't want our money or guns.  Then again, I just hate the thought of becoming a liberal.       

[garbhead]

"Quote From Longtom"
Nothing but BS, especially the part at the end about us having better benefits.Not to mention all the other BS that has nothing to do with health care that is included in it!!!Would you like another glass of kool-aid?

The other BS you referred to was in response to Cabin4's off the subject comment comparing this to oil production...we are all entitled to our own opinions , but there is only one true set of facts.

Prove anything I quoted is not the truth. Show me the facts.

 "Obamacare" also has been in effect since Jan 2011....so it actually started quite a while back
 

[Cabin4]

Actually the point is:

Either the BC/BS or the doctor lied to the patient.........and blamed it on Obamacare

Has nothing to do or compare with oil production...although domestic oil production has increased since 2008 and foreign imports have decreased, no matter what you want to believe.

Well, obviously it's not enough because the price for a barrel of imported oil is far more and so is the price at the pump, no matter what you want to believe since obama took office. And that is the only thing that matters to consumers, business and the economy at large. Additionally we know the massive oil reserves sitting under federal land is off limits due to obama's policy. This administrations lack of a domestic strategy to combat the international oil impacts are there. It is driving up the cost. The incease we have seen is on private leases/land and has nothing to do with this administrations policy.
 
Obamacare is a disaster unfolding in front of us as is nearly every policy position this administration has staked out. The only facts that are relevant are the results of his policy or advocated law. Reading a law does not always tell you what it will result in down stream and what behaviours are necessarily transformed because of it. That's just takes some deduction on the part of the citizen, too look at the facts and come to a resonable conclusion. I can tell you without any question, my health care policy as offered by my employer is GOING to change for all 900 employees  becasue of obamacare come Jan 1 2013 and after as the law continues to ramp up/roll out.
 

[Dixie Dude]

The reason we are importing more is the economy is in the tank.  Also, we are still loosing our manufacturing base.  Just in my area alone, a Uniroyal plant was recently closed by Michelin who bought them out.  They used a lot of fuel oil.  Hmmm.  Their natural gas use was about half of the 25,000 population of the town they were in used.  Hmmm, not counting fuel oil.  I bet these people who champion Obamacare haven't read the 2,000 page bill.  The death panels ARE in there. 

[BUGEYE]

since obama-care passed, my insurance premium has gone up twice and the coverage has gone down twice.  my wife carries our insurance.  she is the book-keeper and insurance guru at her school, and has learned already that big changes are coming again this fall.
continued obama-care will kill this already wounded country.
obama care has already notified certain specialists that some procedures will be restricted.
like my defibrillator, since it costs roughly $15,000 to replace, the one in my chest will stay there after the battery dies.

[Cabin4]

The only people who can say obamacare has not increased or changed their current health care policy are the ones that dont have a policy.
 
Its like the obama income tax debate. Only rich people benefit the most from an income tax reduction. Well, DUHHH ,,, rich people pay most of the income tax already. Sooooooo of course they will benefit the most.

[garbhead]

As usual....opinions and not facts....I have a policy and it hasn't been affected....I guess maybe I'm the only one in the country....hahaha .....the sky is falling

[Cabin4]

Your time will come. Dont worry. If it does not, its because obamacare has been repealed. There are no real smoke and mirrors here. You cant put 40 million people into the system and think nothing will change?? If you do think nothing will change, then that means obamacare is doing nothing Sooooo what is it........something or nothing?

[LONGTOM]

"Quote From Longtom"
Nothing but BS, especially the part at the end about us having better benefits.Not to mention all the other BS that has nothing to do with health care that is included in it!!!Would you like another glass of kool-aid?

The other BS you referred to was in response to Cabin4's off the subject comment comparing this to oil production...we are all entitled to our own opinions , but there is only one true set of facts.

Prove anything I quoted is not the truth. Show me the facts.

 "Obamacare" also has been in effect since Jan 2011....so it actually started quite a while back
 

I said nothing at all about oil production and was not refering to anything about it when I said all of the other BS that is included in it.
Like ICC which has nothing to do with health care, a new farm bill is in there, new rules on items pretaining to EPA and the list goes on.
That is just a few of the other BS items I was refering to!
 
 
LONGTOM

[Dixie Dude]

My insurance went up about $100 a month after Obamacare passed.  That is a fact.  Doctors are only starting to do what is in the law.  They may be starting early so people can realise the real facts.  Government control of health care. 

[Cuts Crooked]

Ok, yesterday & today I got my education in Obama care! My neighbor came to ask for a ride to the local hospital yesterday because her infant daughter was running a high fever. (A rental property in my neighborhood seems to attract single mothers) We gave them a ride to the ER. The staff took the childs temp..........104!!!! They gave her childrens asprin and told her to take the kid home! Said that under new medicaid rules the high fever and vomitting did not meet the criteria for hospital admission!

This morning an ambulance siren woke us up.....at the neighbors. Now, the child is in a different hospital with IVs, wires, and a tube down her throat........

[Cabin4]

obamacare at work. Lower quaility of care, higher costs for those of us in the system and already paying.
 
Just wait, this nightmare has just begun.

[garbhead]

 HEALTH CARE REFORM (HCR) DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY RATIONING OF HEALTH CARE SERVICES OR DEATH PANELS. IN FACT, HCR HAS IMPROVED THE BENEFITS FOR THE MAJORITY OF EMPLOYEES COVERED UNDER THEIR EMPLOYER HEALTH CARE BENEFIT PLANS BEGINNING IN 2010 (NO LIFETIME LIMITS, CHILDREN AGE 19 AND UNDER ARE NOT SUBJECT TO PREEXISTING CONDITION LIMITATIONS, INSURANCE CARRIERS CANNOT RETROACTIVELY RESCIND COVERAGE, PROVIDES FOR INCREASED PATIENT RIGHTS TO APPEAL A CLAIM DECISION, ETC.).
 
 DON’T SPREAD YOUR UNINFORMED OPINIONS OF HEALTH CARE REFORM.
 BEFORE YOU TRASH IT, KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS.
 YOU CAN READ THE FULL LAW AT: http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/index.html
Just the FACTS
Health Care Reform (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) was signed on March 23, 2010. The law puts in place comprehensive health insurance reforms that will roll out over four years and beyond. The new law began implementation as early as July 1, 2010.
Effective 2010
 
A new Patient’s Bill of Rights goes into effect, protecting consumers from the worst abuses of the insurance industry. Cost-free preventive services begin for many Americans.
NEW CONSUMER PROTECTIONS
 ·        Putting Information for Consumers Online. The law provides for an easy-to-use website where consumers can compare health insurance coverage options and pick the coverage that works for them. Effective July 1, 2010.
 ·        Prohibiting Denying Coverage of Children Based on Pre-Existing Conditions. The health care law includes new rules to prevent insurance companies from denying coverage to children under the age of 19 due to a pre-existing condition. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010 for new plans and existing group plans. 
 ·        Prohibiting Insurance Companies from Rescinding Coverage. In the past, insurance companies could search for an error, or other technical mistake, on a customer’s application and use this error to deny payment for services when he or she got sick. The health care law makes this illegal. After media reports cited incidents of breast cancer patients losing coverage, insurance companies agreed to end this practice immediately. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010.
 ·        Eliminating Lifetime Limits on Insurance Coverage. Under the law, insurance companies will be prohibited from imposing lifetime dollar limits on essential benefits, like hospital stays. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010.
 ·        Regulating Annual Limits on Insurance Coverage. Under the law, insurance companies’ use of annual dollar limits on the amount of insurance coverage a patient may receive will be restricted for new plans in the individual market and all group plans. In 2014, the use of annual dollar limits on essential benefits like hospital stays will be banned for new plans in the individual market and all group plans. Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010.
 ·        Appealing Insurance Company Decisions. The law provides consumers with a way to appeal coverage determinations or claims to their insurance company, and establishes an external review process. Effective for new plans beginning on or after September 23, 2010.
 ·        Establishing Consumer Assistance Programs in the States. Under the law, states that apply receive federal grants to help set up or expand independent offices to help consumers navigate the private health insurance system. These programs help consumers file complaints and appeals; enroll in health coverage; and get educated about their rights and responsibilities in group health plans or individual health insurance policies. The programs will also collect data on the types of problems consumers have, and file reports with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to identify trouble spots that need further oversight. Grants Awarded October 2010.
Effective 2011
 ·        People with Medicare can get key preventive services for free, and also receive a 50% discount on brand-name drugs in the Medicare “donut hole.”
Offering Prescription Drug Discounts. Seniors who reach the coverage gap will receive a 50% discount when buying Medicare Part D covered brand-name prescription drugs. Over the next ten years, seniors will receive additional savings on brand-name and generic drugs until the coverage gap is closed in 2020. Effective January 1, 2011.
 ·        Providing Free Preventive Care for Seniors. The law provides certain free preventive services, such as annual wellness visits and personalized prevention plans for seniors on Medicare.  Effective January 1, 2011.
 ·        Improving Health Care Quality and Efficiency.  The law establishes a new Center for Medicare & Medicaid Innovation that will begin testing new ways of delivering care to patients. These methods are expected to improve the quality of care, and reduce the rate of growth in health care costs for Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). Additionally, by January 1, 2011, HHS will submit a national strategy for quality improvement in health care, including by these programs. Effective no later than January 1, 2011.
 ·        Improving Care for Seniors After They Leave the Hospital. The Community Care Transitions Program will help high risk Medicare beneficiaries who are hospitalized avoid unnecessary readmissions by coordinating care and connecting patients to services in their communities. Effective January 1, 2011.
 ·        Introducing New Innovations to Bring Down Costs. The Independent Payment Advisory Board will begin operations to develop and submit proposals to Congress and the President aimed at extending the life of the Medicare Trust Fund.  The Board is expected to focus on ways to target waste in the system, and recommend ways to reduce costs, improve health outcomes for patients, and expand access to high-quality care. Administrative funding becomes available October 1, 2011. .
Effective 2012
 IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS
 ·        Linking Payment to Quality Outcomes. The law establishes a hospital Value-Based Purchasing program (VBP) in Traditional Medicare. This program offers financial incentives to hospitals to improve the quality of care. Hospital performance is required to be publicly reported, beginning with measures relating to heart attacks, heart failure, pneumonia, surgical care, health-care associated infections, and patients’ perception of care. Effective for payments for discharges occurring on or after October 1, 2012.
 ·        Encouraging Integrated Health Systems. The new law provides incentives for physicians to join together to form “Accountable Care Organizations.” These groups allow doctors to better coordinate patient care and improve the quality, help prevent disease and illness and reduce unnecessary hospital admissions. If Accountable Care Organizations provide high quality care and reduce costs to the health care system, they can keep some of the money that they have helped save. Effective January 1, 2012.
 ·        Reducing Paperwork and Administrative Costs. Health care remains one of the few industries that relies on paper records. The new law will institute a series of changes to standardize billing and requires health plans to begin adopting and implementing rules for the secure, confidential, electronic exchange of health information. Using electronic health records will reduce paperwork and administrative burdens, cut costs, reduce medical errors and most importantly, improve the quality of care. First regulation effective October 1, 2012..
 ·        Understanding and Fighting Health Disparities. To help understand and reduce persistent health disparities, the law requires any ongoing or new federal health program to collect and report racial, ethnic and language data. The Secretary of Health and Human Services will use this data to help identify and reduce disparities. EffectiveMarch 2012.
Effective 2013
IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS
 ·        Improving Preventive Health Coverage. To expand the number of Americans receiving preventive care, the law provides new funding to state Medicaid programs that choose to cover preventive services for patients at little or no cost. Effective January 1, 2013.
 ·        Expanding Authority to Bundle Payments. The law establishes a national pilot program to encourage hospitals, doctors, and other providers to work together to improve the coordination and quality of patient care.  Under payment “bundling,” hospitals, doctors, and providers are paid a flat rate for an episode of care rather than the current fragmented system where each service or test or bundles of items or services are billed separately to Medicare.  For example, instead of a surgical procedure generating multiple claims from multiple providers, the entire team is compensated with a “bundled” payment that provides incentives to deliver health care services more efficiently while maintaining or improving quality of care.  It aligns the incentives of those delivering care, and savings are shared between providers and the Medicare program. Effective no later than January 1, 2013.
INCREASING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CARE
 ·        Increasing Medicaid Payments for Primary Care Doctors. As Medicaid programs and providers prepare to cover more patients in 2014, the Act requires states to pay primary care physicians no less than 100% of Medicare payment rates in 2013 and 2014 for primary care services. The increase is fully funded by the federal government. Effective January 1, 2013.
 ·        Providing Additional Funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program. Under the law, states will receive two more years of funding to continue coverage for children not eligible for Medicaid. Effective October 1, 2013.
Effective 2014
NEW CONSUMER PROTECTIONS
 ·        Prohibiting Discrimination Due to Pre-Existing Conditions or Gender. The law implements strong reforms that prohibit insurance companies from refusing to sell coverage or renew policies because of an individual’s pre-existing conditions. Also, in the individual and small group market, the law eliminates the ability of insurance companies to charge higher rates due to gender or health status. Effective January 1, 2014.
 ·        Eliminating Annual Limits on Insurance Coverage. The law prohibits new plans and existing group plans from imposing annual dollar limits on the amount of coverage an individual may receive. Effective January 1, 2014.
 ·        Ensuring Coverage for Individuals Participating in Clinical Trials. Insurers will be prohibited from dropping or limiting coverage because an individual chooses to participate in a clinical trial.  Applies to all clinical trials that treat cancer or other life-threatening diseases. Effective January 1, 2014.
IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS
 ·        Making Care More Affordable. Tax credits to make it easier for the middle class to afford insurance will become available for people with income between 100% and 400% of the poverty line who are not eligible for other affordable coverage. (In 2010, 400% of the poverty line comes out to about $43,000 for an individual or $88,000 for a family of four.) The tax credit is advance able so it can lower your premium payments each month, rather than making you wait for tax time. It’s also refundable, so even moderate-income families can receive the full benefit of the credit. These individuals may also qualify for reduced cost-sharing (copayments, co-insurance, and deductibles). Effective January 1, 2014.
 ·        Establishing Affordable Insurance Exchanges. Starting in 2014 if your employer doesn’t offer insurance, you will be able to buy it directly in an Affordable Insurance Exchange.  An Exchange is a new transparent and competitive insurance marketplace where individuals and small businesses can buy affordable and qualified health benefit plans.  Exchanges will offer you a choice of health plans that meet certain benefits and cost standards.  Starting in 2014, Members of Congress will be getting their health care insurance through Exchanges, and you will be able buy your insurance through Exchanges too. Effective January 1, 2014.
 ·        Increasing the Small Business Tax Credit. The law implements the second phase of the small business tax credit for qualified small businesses and small non-profit organizations. In this phase, the credit is up to 50% of the employer’s contribution to provide health insurance for employees.  There is also up to a 35% credit for small non-profit organizations.  Effective January 1, 2014.
INCREASING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CARE
 ·        Increasing Access to Medicaid. Americans who earn less than 133% of the poverty level (approximately $14,000 for an individual and $29,000 for a family of four) will be eligible to enroll in Medicaid. States will receive 100% federal funding for the first three years to support this expanded coverage, phasing to 90% federal funding in subsequent years. Effective January 1, 2014.
 ·        Promoting Individual Responsibility. Under the law, most individuals who can afford it will be required to obtain basic health insurance coverage or pay a fee to help offset the costs of caring for uninsured Americans.  If affordable coverage is not available to an individual, he or she will be eligible for an exemption. Effective January 1, 2014.
 ·        Ensuring Free Choice. Workers meeting certain requirements who cannot afford the coverage provided by their employer may take whatever funds their employer might have contributed to their insurance and use these resources to help purchase a more affordable plan in the new health insurance Exchanges. Effective January 1, 2014.
Effective 2015
IMPROVING QUALITY AND LOWERING COSTS
 ·        Paying Physicians Based on Value Not Volume. A new provision will tie physician payments to the quality of care they provide. Physicians will see their payments modified so that those who provide higher value care will receive higher payments than those who provide lower quality care. Effective January 1, 2015.

 

[Cuts Crooked]

·        Improving Health Care Quality and Efficiency.  The law establishes a new Center for Medicare & Medicaid Innovation that will begin testing new ways of delivering care to patients. These methods are expected to improve the quality of care, and reduce the rate of growth in health care costs for Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP). Additionally, by January 1, 2011, HHS will submit a national strategy for quality improvement in health care, including by these programs. Effective no later than January 1, 2011.

And right there is the little stone in our shoe!

The devil is in the details my friend!

[Cuts Crooked]

Ok, yesterday & today I got my education in Obama care! My neighbor came to ask for a ride to the local hospital yesterday because her infant daughter was running a high fever. (A rental property in my neighborhood seems to attract single mothers) We gave them a ride to the ER. The staff took the childs temp..........104!!!! They gave her childrens asprin { If this is true,  the hospital made a major mistake}=Administer an anti-fever medication, such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen. DO NOT give your child aspirin, as it has been linked to a serious, potentially fatal disease, called Reye syndrome.>Aspirin and the Risk of Reye Syndrome in ChildrenDo not give aspirin to a child without first contacting the child's physician. Aspirin, when given as treatment for children, has been associated with Reye syndrome, a potentially serious or deadly disorder in children. Therefore, pediatricians and other healthcare providers recommend that aspirin (or any medication that contains aspirin) not be used to treat any viral illnesses in children.and told her to take the kid home! Said that under new medicaid rules the high fever and vomitting did not meet the criteria for hospital admission!

This morning an ambulance siren woke us up.....at the neighbors. Now, the child is in a different hospital with IVs, wires, and a tube down her throat........

I donno exactly what they gave her, didn't think it was my place to inquire, so I just used the generic term that I think of when I think of a fever reducer.

At any rate, the staff quoted the mother some regulations, again not my place to inquire, but whatever the case is.... rules have changed and not for the better, at least for those using medicaid!

And yes it is true.....I was there, I tried to help, and I saw the results this morning.


The little girl is now in critical condition with a massive infection of some kind.

[Cabin4]

How hilarious is this... We have someone telling us the law is going to improve our health care because the politicians that wrote the law said so. And our taxes are not going to go up, even know the same politicians said it was not a tax, but the same politicians argued their case in SCOTUS that it was a tax so they could use the interstate commerce clause argument and SCOTUS agreed!
 
 

[nw_hunter]

(Lets keep it on topic folks without the flames!) Cut's was IMO making a general statement about the outcome of the Hosp. visit to the ER.The point he was making was......The treatment or lack of treatment by that hosp.In other words they sent a child home with a high fever with a band aid.

[DDZ]

Grabhead since you were listing facts about Obamacare, I didn't see anything mentioned about the Independent Payment Advisory Board. Which is a board whose sole purpose is going to be to control costs, by rationing health care to seniors. Its a 15 member panel that has not been selected yet but will be if Obama wins the election again, and you can be assured that it will be filled with some of Saten's finest. It will be the death panel, because the only way for costs to be controled in socialized health care is to reduce and deny care. They will not be subject to voters either. Power will be handed to a group of unaccountable political appointees. The marxist secratary of health and human services, was quoted as saying that the majority of IPAB panel members must not be medical practitioners. So what does that tell you? They will know nothing about medical care, but will be telling doctors what care they can give.  If you are 70 or over and need care, the only care you will get is comfort care, until you die. That will be one of the FACTS you didn't mention.
The IPAB is the trojan horse of obamacare. This crap was written into Hillary care, and its written into Obamacare. You people that don't think this is coming are living in laa-laa land. Just because you haven't heard about it on one of the communist news networks, doesn't mean its not there. Time to wake up!

[KIMBER45]

It might have something to do with - if the hospital is a for profit hospital or nonprofit hospital. My friend who does insurance for hospitals in Pa. told me that " for profit" hospitals have the right to turn away under insured patients. Non- profit hospitals must take ALL patients. This was the policy long before Obama came into office. Legal-yes, ethical, no.

[garbhead]

I think most of us would agree that Medicare has been, in the most part, a good program.  It had large opposition leading to its passage in 1964, claiming "socialized medicine" and other familiar labels.
I know it has been a great benefit to my parents and grandparents over the years. The following tally clearly shows a common theme in the country today:

Here are the numbers for the final passage of the Social Security Act of 1965 (Medicare/Medicaid).
Summary of Vote

 

SENATE
>Democrats
YEA: 57  NAY: 7   NOT VOTING: 4
Republicans
YEA: 13  NAY: 17  NOT VOTING: 2
HOUSE
Democrats
YEA: 237  NAY: 48  NOT VOTING: 4
Republicans
YEA: 70   NAY: 68  NOT VOTING: 2



Nuff said on the subject by me...Peace to you all