Author Topic: my new smoothie (Read 1750 times)

IronBrigade · « **on:** July 21, 2012, 10:47:01 AM »

I just picked up my centimark 62 cal smoothbore fusil today! I can't wait to take her to he range

This my first custom gun & smoothbore so I will be asking lots of questions. Here some Pics:

Winter Hawk · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2012, 03:46:59 PM »

Gorgeous!

-Kees-

Lonegun1894 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2012, 02:12:15 AM »

Looks great! May I ask more specifics? I have a 32" .54 "smoothrifle", but have been thinking about getting a fowler if I can ever get the money together.

tacklebury · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2012, 04:13:50 PM »

Sweet shooter.

I'm jealous. hehe

BE Wild Willy · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2012, 02:22:31 PM »

Now that looks nifty...

coyotejoe · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2012, 02:07:50 AM »

Beautiful gun, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

jeff birkey · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2012, 02:22:02 PM »

Nice looking Tulle!! Centermark makes a fine gun!
Jeff

BCarp · « **Reply #7 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:49:59 AM »

Nice! My "go to" gun is a 20 gauge smoothbore as well, though mine is an English long-fowler type. Anyways, I recommend shooting round ball with wads, NOT patching the balls as with a rifle. The old-time colonial fellows did not patch their balls, though lots of modern shooters do.

I use the lubed wool wads from here:
http://www.possibleshop.com/s-s-wads-shotgun.html

Two wads under the ball, and a thin over-shot card on top to hold the ball in place. I use a .610 ball. Start out in the 80 grn range to develop your load.

Military style paper cartridges are great for quick reloads while hunting. Have fun...!

pastorp · « **Reply #8 on:** August 06, 2012, 06:57:09 PM »

I like it too. I really want a 62 fowler myself. Right now I'm retiring & relocating back to my home state, but soon I'll have one.

Regards,

ratgunner · « **Reply #9 on:** August 09, 2012, 01:15:43 PM »

That is sweet.

srussell · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2012, 08:05:40 PM »

Quote from: BCarp on August 02, 2012, 11:49:59 AM

Nice! My "go to" gun is a 20 gauge smoothbore as well, though mine is an English long-fowler type. Anyways, I recommend shooting round ball with wads, NOT patching the balls as with a rifle. The old-time colonial fellows did not patch their balls, though lots of modern shooters do.

I use the lubed wool wads from here:
http://www.possibleshop.com/s-s-wads-shotgun.html

Two wads under the ball, and a thin over-shot card on top to hold the ball in place. I use a .610 ball. Start out in the 80 grn range to develop your load.

Military style paper cartridges are great for quick reloads while hunting. Have fun...!

that's the first Ive heard of that. all ways patched mine. is there a advantage to using wads .

Winter Hawk · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2012, 10:07:54 AM »

Quote from: pastorp on August 06, 2012, 06:57:09 PM

I like it too. I really want a 62 fowler myself. Right now I'm retiring & relocating back to my home state, but soon I'll have one.

Regards,

Say no, you're not really leaving SE are you?

-Kees-

pastorp · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2012, 01:52:12 PM »

Yes Winterhawk, afraid so. I'm retiring and was looking for the right spot & someone made me a deal I can't refuse. I love Alaska but it's really a young healthy mans state, I am no longer either. So I'm going home.

Regards,

BCarp · « **Reply #13 on:** August 19, 2012, 04:22:09 AM »

Quote from: srussell on August 10, 2012, 08:05:40 PM

Quote from: BCarp on August 02, 2012, 11:49:59 AM
Nice! My "go to" gun is a 20 gauge smoothbore as well, though mine is an English long-fowler type. Anyways, I recommend shooting round ball with wads, NOT patching the balls as with a rifle. The old-time colonial fellows did not patch their balls, though lots of modern shooters do.

I use the lubed wool wads from here:
http://www.possibleshop.com/s-s-wads-shotgun.html

Two wads under the ball, and a thin over-shot card on top to hold the ball in place. I use a .610 ball. Start out in the 80 grn range to develop your load.

Military style paper cartridges are great for quick reloads while hunting. Have fun...!
that's the first Ive heard of that. all ways patched mine. is there a advantage to using wads .

The patch imparts spin to a roundball when fired from a rifled barrel. This is not required in a smoothbore barrel. The wads do a better job of providing a gas seal, and the ball travels up and out of the barrel without having to be in actual contact with the internal bore surface. I can't explain the physics of it, but smarter guys than me have determined that it's a more accurate system for firing a ball out of a smooth barrel than patching.

srussell · « **Reply #14 on:** August 19, 2012, 07:36:20 PM »

thinks

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2012, 03:33:32 PM »

Beautiful gun. One of the nice things about a smoothbore is how easily they come clean after use. No lands and groves to trap fouling. And it goes without saying you can't beat the versatility.

IronBrigade · « **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2012, 02:37:16 PM »

I recently read a great article in the muzzleloader magazine on northwest smoothbores by mark Sage. He talks about the use of wads in smoothbores, they didn't use patches back then. in the article he goes on to say how some used grass for wadding material and others used bee hives. I guess the people of that time used what was available at the time.

pastorp · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2012, 06:51:10 PM »

So IB have you decided which you'll use. Bee hives or grass.

Sorry, just struck me as funny.

Years ago I hunted with a 50 caliber TC hawked. The fellow I hunted with at that time used a over powder wad and just ramed the ball down on top of it. He used a fairly tight fitting ball because he put nothing over the ball to hold it in place. Think I got into muzzleloader in about 1970 so that's when I first heard about using wads in a rifled gun. The patch does hold the ball in place against the powder charge in both smooth & rifled guns if fitted right.

Regards,

IronBrigade · « **Reply #18 on:** August 22, 2012, 10:07:27 AM »

Byron
I decided to go with grass, it's more plentiful and safer to get. LOL

BCarp · « **Reply #19 on:** August 23, 2012, 07:44:19 AM »

Quote from: IronBrigade on August 22, 2012, 10:07:27 AM

Byron
I decided to go with grass, it's more plentiful and safer to get. LOL

Wasp nest, tow, green leaves, bits of linen or wool - all manner of stuff was used for wadding back in the day. The paper of a military-style cartridge does the job well: bite it open, prime the pan, dump the rest of the powder down the bore, ram down the ball and paper. Probably the quickest re-load method for hunting there is...!

IronBrigade · « **Reply #20 on:** August 23, 2012, 02:53:18 PM »

Bcarp
I have wool wads, I will try using the wads instead of patching the next time out. I will keep you posted on my results. Thanks for the tips.

BCarp · « **Reply #21 on:** August 26, 2012, 03:50:23 AM »

Quote from: IronBrigade on August 23, 2012, 02:53:18 PM

Bcarp
I have wool wads, I will try using the wads instead of patching the next time out. I will keep you posted on my results. Thanks for the tips.

Cool! Here's a useful little video: [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRPgKp6paE[/size]

Where in "upstate" are you? I'm in the Binghamton area...

Hank08 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 30, 2012, 06:06:26 AM »

Those folks who say you should use grass, hornets nest, wads, etc. are the same ones who say never aim a smoothie, just point it, wrong both times. If you want to hit anything, patch the ball just like a rifle and aim the gun just like a rifle. I hunt with smoothbores (in fact, one that I shoot a lot) is a Fucil de chasse by Centermark and I shoot in a lot of smoothie competition and in the last 15 yrs. or so I've never last a smoothbore shoot. I don't know what the other shooters use but whatever it is , it ain't working. Couple of yrs. ago i shot a 7" , 5 shot group at 140 yds. with the centermark and have killed a lot of Rockchucks with another smoothie, the fartherest one 147 yds., killed a Deer at 126 yds. If i thought the hunters and shooters, back in the day, were too dumb to patch a ball, would i want to be like them? I don't think so. I think they were smarter than most folks give them credit for being. Sorry to be so long winded but I like smoothies and they're lots more accurate then they get credit for. JMHO
H08

Firelock · « **Reply #23 on:** August 30, 2012, 08:08:55 AM »

Wow...beautiful wood!!

BCarp · « **Reply #24 on:** August 30, 2012, 03:18:25 PM »

Quote from: Hank08 on August 30, 2012, 06:06:26 AM

Those folks who say you should use grass, hornets nest, wads, etc. are the same ones who say never aim a smoothie, just point it, wrong both times. If you want to hit anything, patch the ball just like a rifle and aim the gun just like a rifle. I hunt with smoothbores (in fact, one that I shoot a lot) is a Fucil de chasse by Centermark and I shoot in a lot of smoothie competition and in the last 15 yrs. or so I've never last a smoothbore shoot. I don't know what the other shooters use but whatever it is , it ain't working. Couple of yrs. ago i shot a 7" , 5 shot group at 140 yds. with the centermark and have killed a lot of Rockchucks with another smoothie, the fartherest one 147 yds., killed a Deer at 126 yds. If i thought the hunters and shooters, back in the day, were too dumb to patch a ball, would i want to be like them? I don't think so. I think they were smarter than most folks give them credit for being. Sorry to be so long winded but I like smoothies and they're lots more accurate then they get credit for. JMHO
H08

Excellent performance! My smoothbore has a rear sight (lots of them did), so I aim it like a rifle. Mine shoots quite well with wads as opposed to patching. I doubt the old-timers were "dumb" when it came to making their guns perform, and I never say "never" when it comes to history, but the fact remains that there is no documentation or other evidence of PRB use in the smooth-bores of old....