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GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« on: July 23, 2012, 06:06:43 AM »
I have Lyman GPR flintlock in .54 cal. Was thinking about getting a smoothbore barrel , any ideas? Also what would probably be the largest bore size possible in an octagon barrel?
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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 12:38:47 PM »
I have a .54 Smooth GM 32" barrel made by GM a few years ago.  I have heard that they no longer make these, but you may find one used someplace.  BTW, mine was originally made for the TC hawken, and sold by TOTW, whom I asked to modify it to fit the GPR, so if you find one made to fit the TC, grab it and make it fit your needs.  I really like mine, and use it quite a bit. 
 
As to max size, I used to have a Investarms hawken .58 with a 15/16" barrel on it, and it was nice and handy and light, but I just didn't use it because my .54 GPRs are my favorite MLs, so it went down the road.  I figure if it could be made then, it CAN be done now, but have read  a lot of comments over the years saying most companies wont go to .58 anymore due to the lawyers and the thin barrel walls you end up with if using a 15/16" barrel.  No one seems to question a .54 on a 15/16" tube though so you should be able to get at least that bore size, and maybe .58 if you can find someone willing to make it.

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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 06:21:15 AM »
Thanks for the reply and info Lonegun!!
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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 01:46:00 PM »
I, too, have a GM .54 smoothie. Picked it up from them about a year or a bit more ago. Nice shooter.
As It turns out, though, the GPR is a lot heavier than any of my MLing shotguns and fowlers, so it gets used less.
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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2012, 01:57:34 AM »
Yeah, there's the rub, you can get a smoothbore barrel and call your GPR a smoothbore but it's still a rifle in terms of stock shape, weight and balance. Rifles are designed to be aimed and they just don't point and swing like a shotgun. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2012, 11:49:25 PM »
You're absolutely right as far as the GPR still being a rifle in terms of handling and architecture, even with a smooth bore barrel.  In my case, this is an advantage, as I have always preferred rifles over shotguns, and tend to use my shotguns more as slug guns than anything else anyway.  A big part of my reason for getting a smooth barrel for mine was that the local Corps of Engineers office allows smoothbore use for hunting at the lake 5 minutes from my house, but gets almost rabid when you even ask about anything with rifling in it.  So in the end, at least to me, my smooth GPR is a slug gun that can also shoot shot on occasion, and is not the other way around.  It will never swing as well as a true fowler would, but that wasn't my purpose in getting it.  It works great with PRB out to at least 60yds, and I get good enough shot patterns for small game and turkey out to 35yds too, so it is a good gun for me with my local restrictions at the lake saying smoothbore only.  I have modern guns too, but there is just something I like about hunting with that flintlock.  Shots at deer and turkey are always going to be more deliberate and aimed than shots during dove hunting, for example, so this gun works well.  If however you want a gun more for snap shooting  and a lot of swinging, there's better options out there.  For example, I have a indian made 13ga SxS caplock that I paid less than $300 for, and it would be a much better choice for a waterfowling or dove gun than the GPR.  It is very light, swings well, and gets good patterns also, but being made in India, a lot of people look down on it thinking that it is low quality.  I know this wasn't part of your question, but this SxS cost me about the same as the GM barrel once the work to modify the GM and shipping is included in the price.  And for the record, Indian guns run from great, to POSs, like any made anywhere, but due to the reputation, if you choose to get one, do your research first to make sure you are getting one on the better end of the scale.  Mine isn't the best, but definitely on the better ond of the scale.  it has true 13ga (.710") bores, and weighs just about 6.5lbs, making it about 2lbs lighter than the GPR.  It is a better SHOT gun than the GPR, but not nearly as versatile as the GPR for the way I hunt, and a much worse slug gun when used with PRB.  For example, my PRB groups at 60yds with the GPR are 3-4", which is all the accuracy I can squeeze out of the 13ga at 25yds.  In the end, which is the better gun would depend on how you intend to use it.  I hope this helps somewaht instead of muddying up the water.  If there's anything else I can do to help confuse the issue, please feel free to ask.  :)

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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2012, 07:15:32 AM »
Thanks Lonegun!!
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2012, 09:06:19 AM »
anytime, just glad to hopefully help a fellow gun nut out, especially since this is an oddball thing with a proper gun instead of a suppository black gun, not that those aren't fun too...

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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 03:41:38 AM »
Indeed there is a niche for the "smoothrifle". I built myself a Bucks County style long rifle in .54 smoothbore just to see for myself what such a gun is good for but since I'm not dealing with the legal restrictions you are trying to skirt around, I still haven't decided what my smoothrifle is good for. ;D 
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 04:31:52 AM »
Such a gun is excellent for hunting in an area where the State and County allow rifles, but the Corps of Engineers says you can only use shotguns on their land.  Here's the kicker...  Rifled shotguns are perfectly fine seeing as they are shotguns, but once you put rifling in a muzzleloader, it becomes a rifle so you can't use it.  I had a lease with some friends where the landowner was ok with anything legal and our only restriction was that we not shoot his cows, but then decided to increase lease fees from $900 for the 3 of us to hunt, to $1800 PER hunter.  And the sad thing is that he is probably getting it too.   I can't afford it so will be hunting COE land, and working on getting permission to hunt a couple friends property, where I will be using rifled guns since it is legal.
The smoothrifle is also excellent at frustrating you when it decides it wants to play with your emotions, like mine does on occasion.  Now I can get consistent 3-4" groups at 50-60yds.  :ast time out, I decided to try 100yds, and placed the ball perfectly dead center of the 2" bullseye on the very first shot, and then failed to hit an 8x11" piece of paper with the next 7 shots.  I then started clipping the outside edges at random, before it got too dark and I packed up and went home frustrated.  I can hold a 2-3" group with my rifled .54 at 100 on a good day, and 4-5" at 100 on a bad day, but this smoothrifle is something else.  Kept within 60yds, I have no trouble with it whatsoever, but I am still trying to figure out what I can do to extend my range and consistency with ball with it.
With shot, I mostly use #6s, because it is what I have quite a bit of due to using it in loading shells.  Yes, it is lead only, no steel or anything else that will scratch my bore.  I get decent patterns that I trust out to 30-35yds on rabbit/squirrel with 9/10oz shot, and then double the amount of shot when going after turkey and get a good fairly tight pattern that passes the tuna can test out to 35yds also, but seems to pretty much fall apart by the time it gets to 40-45yds.
So I for one think that this smoothrifle business can be workable, and even have some advantages over a fowler due to the increased accuracy with PRB, but in the end, you sacrifice some accuracy since you are giving up your rifle, and you sacrifice handling that you had with a fowler, in exchange for being able to use one gun to do most, but not all, of the jobs that the other two types allow you to do somewhat better.  In my case, where I would use a rifle for everything if allowed, it works well.  Most spots in the COE area dont allow shots over 75 yds, so I'm giving up very little over a rifle, and I've never been much of a wingshot anyway, so not much loss over a shotgun either.  For an area where you need longer range, or a shooter who is a good wingshot, this probably isn't the best gun out there.

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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 04:45:23 PM »
I agree with Lonegun.......Since I mainly hunt big game and not birds, the smoothbore rifle works best for me.That said! I have killed quail on the wing with my 62 GR barrel on a hawken rifle, and the range is good for deer and Elk. It do swing slow though :o
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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2012, 05:28:25 PM »
Another thought: have a barrel bored out.  I have thought about doing that to the .50 New Englander I got from Bubba a while ago.  I called up Ed Rayl (304-364-8269) and he said he could do it for $90.  BUT, he has done this before and the NE has screw holes too deep which he didn't realize.  If  you can get another barrel  for the GPR  he should be able to remove the rifling  and give you a smooth  bore with no problems.

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Re: GPR Smoothbore barrrels
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2012, 10:00:12 AM »
Thanks for the info!
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2012, 06:28:00 AM »
I agree.  I really think Green Mountain should have never discontinued these.  I have one for my flint GPR, and would love to have another, but the best bet right now is just having one reamed to smoothbore as was mentioned above.

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