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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #90 on: January 04, 2013, 09:10:49 AM »
I can understand the miff, but did it ever open up when you did the pre-hunt trials? If so you knew it could happen and there are a number of things that could/should have been addressed before actually taking it hunting. Fortunately you ended up with a clean miss, it sounds like; worst case would have been a wounding shot......
IMHO, yes, probably it shouldnt have passed QC to be sold, BUT, the final QC is ALWAYS the operator, you had the final call on using it or not.  Im not saying this just to blast you but as a reminder to everyone that the one pulling the trigger has already accepted the personal responsibility to act, well, responsibly.


The first time it opened up was when I shot at that deer.  After that, I tried it on targets and it would open up every once in awhile so I sent it back for repair.  And they did repair it.  But it still fails to eject with the .243 barrel every so often, if I hunt with that barrel/receiver, I always take a break down cleaning kit in my pack just in case.

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« Reply #91 on: January 04, 2013, 09:46:27 AM »
I am in the habit of 'closing these with a little authority' not slow and easy like a finely fitted British dbl., and make sure that latch and shelf are clean & dry. If one closes up a little reluctantly I will open and reclose for a good tight lockup (some of my cast bullet loads are a bit stiff chambering up due to the large, as cast bullet dia. Im using). A good tight fit like you have will break in and get better over time and rounds fired which is way better than one that started out too loose.
So, I am in agreement that some better QA/QC would help, but we do not know how long some of these have been 'warehoused' before hitting our candy store and the fix may already be in production. Some issues are really not that big a deal for me, but I always work on my own stuff. At some tipping point these will not be worth it to the company to make; just another buggy whip.........Why should they retool for a higher grade product in a diminishing market, Brno is already there if you want one.
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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #92 on: January 04, 2013, 10:23:15 AM »
Mine would open occasionally when my thumb hit the lever as I shot. I'm a lefty.  I just had to remember how to hold it.
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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #93 on: January 04, 2013, 01:29:25 PM »
I see several reasons for slower Handi sales. The first being the Stevens 200, Savage Axis and Marlin X7. The cost of owning a Handi has gone up while the price of entry level bolt actions has come down. SB1 framed rifles are selling for the same price as SB2 rifles in my area, why? The price of adding additional barrels had once been very reasonable, no more. I personally liked the ejectors and their loss is a factor. There may be some light at the end of the tunnel for Handi rifles. If Feinstein has her way it may be the only rifle we'll be allowed to keep.

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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #94 on: January 04, 2013, 01:44:37 PM »
Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
 
I certainly hope not, in fact I just bought another one earlier today .223 superlight compact ( wanted one for years ), no other options for a pack rifle that only weighs 5.3 lbs thats made in the U.S.A. don't even plan on scoping it, i have a few spare h&r peep sights lying around which should give me a 200 yard gun for the kind of hunting i do which is mainly long hikes into areas that provide 50 yard and closer shots with the occasional need to reach out a bit farther.
 
 Plus when my kids get older or if my wife wants to join me for a few hours at the range, the rifle has the correct LOP for them and with me being right handed and them being left handed its a real pun intended ( handi ) gun to use for all of us.
 
I now have 6 handi's scratched off my list and the hopefully the rest of my lifetime to scratch off the remaining dozen or so others I would like to have
 
 

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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #95 on: January 04, 2013, 03:37:19 PM »
Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
 
I certainly hope not, in fact I just bought another one earlier today .223 superlight compact ( wanted one for years ), no other options for a pack rifle that only weighs 5.3 lbs thats made in the U.S.A. don't even plan on scoping it, i have a few spare h&r peep sights lying around which should give me a 200 yard gun for the kind of hunting i do which is mainly long hikes into areas that provide 50 yard and closer shots with the occasional need to reach out a bit farther.
 
 Plus when my kids get older or if my wife wants to join me for a few hours at the range, the rifle has the correct LOP for them and with me being right handed and them being left handed its a real pun intended ( handi ) gun to use for all of us.
 
I now have 6 handi's scratched off my list and the hopefully the rest of my lifetime to scratch off the remaining dozen or so others I would like to have


what's the twist on the superlight .223?  Mine was 1 in 12 and it never would shoot 55 grain bullets more than 40 yards accurately.  I got a .223 twenty two inch standard barrel with 1 in 9 and it's a whole different animal.

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« Reply #96 on: January 04, 2013, 03:38:54 PM »
I am in the habit of 'closing these with a little authority' not slow and easy like a finely fitted British dbl., and make sure that latch and shelf are clean & dry. If one closes up a little reluctantly I will open and reclose for a good tight lockup (some of my cast bullet loads are a bit stiff chambering up due to the large, as cast bullet dia. Im using). A good tight fit like you have will break in and get better over time and rounds fired which is way better than one that started out too loose.
So, I am in agreement that some better QA/QC would help, but we do not know how long some of these have been 'warehoused' before hitting our candy store and the fix may already be in production. Some issues are really not that big a deal for me, but I always work on my own stuff. At some tipping point these will not be worth it to the company to make; just another buggy whip.........Why should they retool for a higher grade product in a diminishing market, Brno is already there if you want one.


Mine doesn't open up now, it was definitely broken in some way.  I understand the thing about not re-tooling.  I expect they'll give up and let Rossi take over the cheap single shot rifle market.  I always thought of the Handi Rifle as the poor man's Thompson Center.

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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2013, 02:11:46 AM »
"what's the twist on the superlight .223?  Mine was 1 in 12 and it never would shoot 55 grain bullets more than 40 yards accurately.  I got a .223 twenty two inch standard barrel with 1 in 9 and it's a whole different animal."
 
Not sure on the twist as I just ordered it yesterday so hopefully it shows up in the mail next week, I will let you know once i have a chance to run a cleaning rod through it. I have been under the impression that they are all 1in9" twist now but I will let you know
 
 
 

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« Reply #98 on: January 05, 2013, 02:40:28 AM »
"what's the twist on the superlight .223?  Mine was 1 in 12 and it never would shoot 55 grain bullets more than 40 yards accurately.  I got a .223 twenty two inch standard barrel with 1 in 9 and it's a whole different animal."

There's something I'm missing here.  If the rifle shoots accurately at 40 yards and then goes to pot, what's happening?  Velocity falling off and bullet de-stabilizing???  Push it faster???

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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #99 on: January 05, 2013, 02:49:34 AM »
Well, this thread just won't die.  As noted, steel has gone way up, there is only so much that modern eqipment can do on some designs.  The larger problem is that there are fewer places to shoot, the younger population is forgetting rural roots, if they ever had any.  Farms are mostly corporate holdings, with only seasonal type workers instead of the old family traditionals.


If, (when) Cerberus sells off Freedom, will it be a bloc sale, or will it fragment into the individual companies?  H & R would have a hard time standing alone, even Marlin/H&R would with the factories being reloacated.  Given a Zillion bucks, someone like me could make a selection of barrels, improve a few things, and go broke doing it.  Everyone here gets one free barrel from me.  That is looking back through my rose colered glasses at my "hero" companies (levers, single shots, and double shotguns).  A problem noted on, of all places public radio) is that guns are very durable, so it is hard to make someone need or want another.
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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #100 on: January 05, 2013, 04:27:41 AM »
"what's the twist on the superlight .223?  Mine was 1 in 12 and it never would shoot 55 grain bullets more than 40 yards accurately.  I got a .223 twenty two inch standard barrel with 1 in 9 and it's a whole different animal."

There's something I'm missing here.  If the rifle shoots accurately at 40 yards and then goes to pot, what's happening?  Velocity falling off and bullet de-stabilizing???  Push it faster???

Pete
 


I never bothered to investigate.  My guess is the bullet is de-stabilizing.  I always hated that barrel, I never found a load it liked.   It didn't like 40 grain V-Max and it didn't like 55 grain Barnes TTX.  I guess I could have tried lots of loads but it was cheaper to buy a 22 inch 1 in 9 .223 barrel.  Which is fine with 55 grain barnes TTX.  I always figured it was due to the 20 inch ultra light nature, but I probably just got a crappy barrel.  I originally got that receiver with the ultra light barrel for the same reasons you did.  But somehow I got one that wouldn't shoot.


BTW, I'm sure everyone knows this but when mounting your scope put the front ring back on the part of the mount that contacts the barrel.  If you put the front mount over the part that floats above the barrel, it will never shoot well, or at least none of mine ever did.  Moving that front ring back over the part of the mount in contact with the barrel fixed it.

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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #101 on: January 05, 2013, 04:28:52 AM »
Yep, To make a gazillion dollars you invent something that everybody wants after they try it one time, is consumable and cheap to replace when you run out; example: toilet paper.
Most of us really have 'more than we need', but this is (was?) the USA where its about what you want, not just what you need. We bought toys when times were good and probably not so much now that times arent so good. When times get better, we will buy more toys. Whenever that is........if we can afford them and frivolous things like house payments/rent, food, fuel, etc. too.
Did any of us think that the Win.94 would go away and the factory that built them close?
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Re: Are our Beloved Handi Rifles headed to the Endangered Species List?
« Reply #102 on: January 05, 2013, 04:33:41 AM »
Well, this thread just won't die.  As noted, steel has gone way up, there is only so much that modern eqipment can do on some designs.  The larger problem is that there are fewer places to shoot, the younger population is forgetting rural roots, if they ever had any.  Farms are mostly corporate holdings, with only seasonal type workers instead of the old family traditionals.


If, (when) Cerberus sells off Freedom, will it be a bloc sale, or will it fragment into the individual companies?  H & R would have a hard time standing alone, even Marlin/H&R would with the factories being reloacated.  Given a Zillion bucks, someone like me could make a selection of barrels, improve a few things, and go broke doing it.  Everyone here gets one free barrel from me.  That is looking back through my rose colered glasses at my "hero" companies (levers, single shots, and double shotguns).  A problem noted on, of all places public radio) is that guns are very durable, so it is hard to make someone need or want another.


Let me guess at the NPR conversation:


 "So what's the biggest problem with melting down all guns on the face of the earth, it sounds like a good solution."


Well, guns it turns out, are very durable and since there are millions in America already, even getting rid of all new ones wouldn't result in eliminating guns for hundreds of years."


"That's too bad, I know new laws would certainly stop supplies of new guns just like they have stopped the supply of illegal drugs.  And by the way, don't forget Republicans suck."


"Oh, I would never forget that.   And now we continue with more All Left Wing Things Considered."

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« Reply #103 on: January 05, 2013, 04:35:43 AM »
Yep, To make a gazillion dollars you invent something that everybody wants after they try it one time, is consumable and cheap to replace when you run out; example: toilet paper.
Most of us really have 'more than we need', but this is (was?) the USA where its about what you want, not just what you need. We bought toys when times were good and probably not so much now that times arent so good. When times get better, we will buy more toys. Whenever that is........if we can afford them and frivolous things like house payments/rent, food, fuel, etc. too.
Did any of us think that the Win.94 would go away and the factory that built them close?


Yeah, I think it's great guns last so long.  I have a gun from my father in law who died of cancer in 1999.  And I have some guns from my Grandfather who is also dead.  One day maybe my kids will have these guns.  And it makes guns a good investment, you can use a gun for 20 years and still sell it for at least what you paid for it.  Try that with a computer.