AURORA shooter, do we know if he was on ADD meds too?

[R.W.Dale]

My wife reminded me of something that we realized with previous mass shootings but had forgotten about.

There's a dark sinister secret behind these shootings that the pharmaceutical industry wants to keep a lid on. These young 20 something murders almost to the number were all prescribed popular ADD drugs such as Ritalin as children or adults.

Has it come out yet if the recent CO shooter fits this mould or not?

[PowPow]

My personal observation is that if prescribed properly, ADD meds have a calming effect on the ADD person; if abused by a person without ADD, they act as a stimulant, but do not cause aggressive, impulsive or desperate behavior.

I would be interested in reading any references on which you base your inference.

[lakota]

I too would be interested in reading about a link between the two. The pharm industry sure likes to pump us full of meds with little regard for safety or side effects

[blind ear]

ADD type drugs are the number two illicit drug prefered on college campuses and are used as study aids. The number one prefered is Viagra. Not positive but have heard it more than once. ear
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http://www.azcentral.com/families/education/articles/0801back-ritalin-ON.html?&wired
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http://www.northern-iowan.org/ritalin-and-adderall-abused-by-college-students-1.2179665

[kennyd]

The problem is that most of the information given on the news is wrong.  A lot of us have seen the side affects of medicines, the things the doc "never heard of before".  And almost everything we take can't be stopped cold turkey.


In general mistakes I notedl:


A 100 round magazine should be outlawed; apparently the gun jammed way before that number.  Was the 6000 rounds Russian stuff?
The ease of "buying online".  They did not finish the process where you have to have a copy of DL, or the adult signature when it comes.
Bullet proof vest or tactical vest?
So what if the guy went to a range 100 miles away in the mountains.  It is speculation, and there are impromptu ranges a lot closer.
An organized gun club/range has peers to monitor behavior and steer people to proper actions.
The hair color; lots of young people have odd colors, piercings, poor tattoos.  I worked with a man who had red dreadlocks; it did not affect his work or mind.

[Sourdough]

If what has been reported, that he was under the care of a Phycatriast, or had been diagnosed with a mental disorder. then he lied on his application for a gun purchase.  making all the gun purchases illigal.  Why did the background check not catch this.  Another failure in the Federal system.

[powderman]

If what has been reported, that he was under the care of a Phycatriast, or had been diagnosed with a mental disorder. then he lied on his application for a gun purchase.  making all the gun purchases illigal.  Why did the background check not catch this.  Another failure in the Federal system.

 
SOURDOUGH. BINGO, I've been waiting for somebody to make that observation. If true he did NOT make these purchases LEGALLY. POWDERMAN. 

[PowPow]

Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?  (See Instructions for Question 11.f.)
Yes No

...if that's the reference, that's a long way from an ADD med prescription.

A person experiences ADD because of a below normal level of a chemical in the brain that allows the continous transmission of electrical impulses from one brain cell to another. A proper dose of ADD medication regulates the chemical, and allows continuous thought on a certain topic or activity. Not significanly different that eyeglasses correct vision. An improper dose can cause over stimulation, with an effect similar to wearing someone else's glasses. ADD is not a pshycotic disorder, i.e, the ADD person is not out of touch with reality.

I read Blind Ear's references thoroughly. The two theses presented were:
1. Some folks admitted to abusing ADD meds to gain a competitive advantage in academics. Key word was "abusing".
2. Some folks felt properly prescribed ADD meds gave the ADD person an unfair advantage. I would respond that it doesn't make them artificially smarter, just levels the playing field, like eyeglasses. 
The references supported the idea that ADD meds were being abused in the name of ambition or for illegal recreation. but did not offer me anything to support the dark sinister secret in the OP.

I doubt this guy in Aurora acted as result of properly used ADD prescription.
Probably wasn't taking something he should of, or was doing some freelance pharmacology on his own.

[R.W.Dale]

If what has been reported, that he was under the care of a Phycatriast, or had been diagnosed with a mental disorder. then he lied on his application for a gun purchase.  making all the gun purchases illigal.  Why did the background check not catch this.  Another failure in the Federal system.

 
SOURDOUGH. BINGO, I've been waiting for somebody to make that observation. If true he did NOT make these purchases LEGALLY. POWDERMAN. 

Sorry PM

Holmes was never committed or judged mentally defective by by any measure that carries the weight of law. Thus he was able to answer no on this question.

Now on the other hand (as an example) if a soldier returning from Afghanistan reports suffering from PTSD and is diagnosed as such through the military medical system he may very well run afoul of that question. The difference is merely that the .gov knows.

On a side note if more active shooters used 100 round tapco grade magazines they'd have mabye more malfunctions thwarting their plans

[R.W.Dale]

Here one link. It took awhile to to find something with an air of legitimately in the tens of thousands of hits mostly from new age natural snake oil salesmen.

http://www.lifehealthsolutions.com/calm/schoolviolence.html

Bottom line is the government is subsidizing and promoting drugging an entire generation  of children to make them easier to control. Then we turn these ready made addicts who now have REAL mental disorders from the drugging loose on the world to deal with themselves with absolutely O concern for how they deal with this abuse.

All while NOBODY is asking what these drugs actually do?

[DDZ]

And the search goes on for scapegoats....The list is building. We have Warner Bros. for making the movie. The theater for not locking it down like a vault. Doctors for not treating him right. University of Colorado fro accepting packages for Holmes. Paint ball guns, and the sport of paint balling. Smoke bombs, guns, ammo manufacturers, big magazines, drugs, drug companies, he was lonely, and best of all, three women turned him down, so its their fault also. I'm sure before its all said and done there will be one heck of a laundry list of scapegoats.

If drugs to treat ADD were the cause, we would have a few mass shootings every day. Why can't we just face the fact Holmes has a large number of screws loose? 

[R.W.Dale]

You're right all these shooting having one thing in common since this all started in the 90's is just coidencence.



Just don't worry about it. Sit back take a viagra and some lipitor and whatever else your pusher in white subscribed and don't worry about it. The folks selling us these things would never do us any harm

[Matt]

Colorado Shooter Was Under Psychiatric Care Of Ex-US Air Force Doctor

Chris Francescani & Keith Coffman
London Independent
 July 28, 2012
The former University of Colorado graduate student accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 others in a shooting rampage at a cinema last week had been under the care of a psychiatrist who was part of a campus threat-assessment team.

The disclosure came in court documents filed yesterday by lawyers for James Holmes, 24, who is accused of opening fire last Friday on a packed showing of the latest Batman movie, “The Dark Knight Rises,” in the Denver suburb of Aurora.

The defence attorneys, in their request to an Arapahoe County district judge, are seeking a court order requiring prosecutors to turn over the contents of a package that Holmes sent to Dr. Lynne Fenton and was later seized by investigators.

“Mr. Holmes was a psychiatric patient of Dr. Fenton, and his communications with her are protected,” the filing said.

CNN: Fenton has held many jobs over the years. She worked as a physician in private practice in Denver from 1994 to 2005, and was chief of physical medicine with the U.S. Air Force in San Antonio, Texas, in the early 1990s, according to the resume. Since 2008, she’s won various grants and contracts to study schizophrenia.


Sources: http://www.infowars.com/colorado-shooter-was-under-psychiatric-care-of-ex-us-air-force-doctor/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/aurora-shooting-suspect-was-under-psychiatrists-care-7984483.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/27/us/colorado-theater-shooting-psychiatrist/index.html


Still to soon for me to say yet but things just don't add up so far.


Matt

[powderman]

Anybody have a 4473 form?? I'm not sure exactly what it says about mental health. POWDERMAN.