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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/240657-cybersecurity-bill-includes-gun-control-measure
 
 
 Democratic senators offer gun control amendment for cybersecurity bill  By Ramsey Cox - 07/26/12 07:29 PM ET      Democratic senators have offered an amendment to the cybersecurity bill that would limit the purchase of high capacity gun magazines for some consumers.
Shortly after the Cybersecurity Act gained Senate approval to proceed to filing proposed amendments and a vote next week, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a sponsor of the gun control amendment, came to the floor to defend the idea of implementing some “reasonable” gun control measures.
         The amendment was sponsored by Democratic Sens. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Schumer and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.). S.A. 2575 would make it illegal to transfer or possess large capacity feeding devices such as gun magazines, belts, feed stripes and drums of more than 10 rounds of ammunition with the exception of .22 caliber rim fire ammunition.
The amendment is identical to a separate bill sponsored by Lautenberg. Feinstein was the sponsor of the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004. 
 
 

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The proposed amendment would only affect sales and transfers after the law took effect.
Schumer defended the Brady law and assault weapons ban on the floor Thursday evening, perhaps in preparation for the coming fight with Republicans and gun rights activists.
Schumer suggested that both the left and right find common ground.
“Maybe we could come together on guns if each side gave some,” Schumer said.
He suggested that Democrats make it clear that their goal is not to repeal the Second Amendment.
“The basic complaint is that the Chuck Schumers of the world want to take away your guns,” Schumer said of the argument made by gun lobbies. “I think it would be smart for those of us who want rational gun control to make it know that that’s not true at all.”
Schumer also pointed out that it would be reasonable for the right to recognize that background checks on those buying guns is necessary — as called for in the Brady law. He also said average Americans don’t need an assault weapon to go hunting or protect themselves.
“We can debate where to draw the line of reasonableness, but we might be able to come to an agreement in the middle,” Schumer said. “Maybe, maybe, maybe we can pass some laws that might, might, might stop some of the unnecessary casualties … maybe there’s a way we can some together and try to break through the log jam and make sure the country is a better place.”
Next week the Senate is expected to debate and vote on proposed amendments to the cybersecurity bill.
Updated at 9:30 p.m.
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powderman, it is beyond my feeble comprehension why anyone that posts on this board that promotes gun ownership, can back the democrats. I guess it gives a whole new meaning to the "no brainer" theory.

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powderman, it is beyond my feeble comprehension why anyone that posts on this board that promotes gun ownership, can back the democrats. I guess it gives a whole new meaning to the "no brainer" theory.

 
CHAINSAW. Me either, but they are here. I honestly believe that most of them are not hunters,  shooters, or even gun owners, mostly dnc plants to divide us. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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President Obama on gun control:


 
"I, like most Americans, believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms," Obama told the National Urban League convention in New Orleans. "I think we recognize the traditions of gun ownership that passed on from generation to generation. That hunting and shooting are part of a cherished national heritage."
Obama continued: "But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller."
Oh geez... better buy a couple more cans of -54R while I can!
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We are well beyond believing anything that comes out of Obama's mouth, or any of us that don't drink the coolade anyway.
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We are well beyond believing anything that comes out of Obama's mouth, or any of us that don't drink the coolade anyway.
I well understand your refusal to believe anything that you don't already believe.
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Are you blind, deaf, or do you suffer from poor reading comprehension?...or perhaps do you agree with the liar and chief that the 2nd Amendment only allows the right to keep and bear SOME arms but not others?
 
If I own an AK-47 and I am not a soldier then I must be a criminal by Obama's reasoning outlined in his own words below.
 
 
 



President Obama on gun control:


 
 Obama continued: "But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals.
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Are you blind?
No, though I am getting those old man eyes... indignity of advancin' years, you know?
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No, even if a little hard of hearing after having a 5"/54 go off a few feet from my head once, and too many years of shooting/riding without hearing protection as a young guy
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.. or do you suffer from poor reading comprehension?...
no, I'm literate
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or perhaps do you agree with the liar and chief that the 2nd Amendment only allows the right to keep and bear SOME arms but not others?
current laws do that, not the 2nd Amendment

If I own an AK-47 and I am not a soldier then I must be a criminal by Obama's reasoning outlined in his own words below.
Obama continued: "But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals.
No, I'll agree with the President - AKs belong in the hands of soldiers, not criminals. I'll just go a little further, and say one belongs in my hands, too. 
Your argument was a lame bit of sophistry in service to your polytics; Pres never said having an AK makes you a criminal. Sounds like maybe your politics drove your reading comprehension?

To be clear: I'm a gunowner, and an incorrigible gun nut by the standards of most political liberals. Obama and I don't see eye-to-eye on guns (hell, I'd like to repeal the 1934 NFA)... but that doesn't get you off the hook for your bogus assertions.
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LAKOTA. Good posts Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Are you blind?
No, though I am getting those old man eyes... indignity of advancin' years, you know?
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deaf?
No, even if a little hard of hearing after having a 5"/54 go off a few feet from my head once, and too many years of shooting/riding without hearing protection as a young guy
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.. or do you suffer from poor reading comprehension?...
no, I'm literate
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or perhaps do you agree with the liar and chief that the 2nd Amendment only allows the right to keep and bear SOME arms but not others?
current laws do that, not the 2nd Amendment

If I own an AK-47 and I am not a soldier then I must be a criminal by Obama's reasoning outlined in his own words below.
Obama continued: "But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals.
No, I'll agree with the President - AKs belong in the hands of soldiers, not criminals. I'll just go a little further, and say one belongs in my hands, too. 
Your argument was a lame bit of sophistry in service to your polytics; Pres never said having an AK makes you a criminal. Sounds like maybe your politics drove your reading comprehension?

To be clear: I'm a gunowner, and an incorrigible gun nut by the standards of most political liberals. Obama and I don't see eye-to-eye on guns (hell, I'd like to repeal the 1934 NFA)... but that doesn't get you off the hook for your bogus assertions.
Non sensical ravings to the very end. Clever lines and fancy words that thinly conceal little substance of argument..."I agree with the president but I think I should be able to own one too." Well guess what? Obama's statement regarding AK-47s contained no provisions for you or I to own an AK-47. More all or nothing liberal gun control logic. Keep agreeing with Obama and before long you will be lucky if you are permitted to own a pellet gun...that is if you really even own guns at the present time.
 
Politics don't affect my reading comprehension. I am a one issue voter. All I need to know about a candidate is his stance on the 2nd Amendment. If the candidate doesn't trust me to own a weapon then I dint need to know anything else about him. This is why I do not have a candidate to vote for this year.
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Non sensical ravings to the very end. Clever lines and fancy words that thinly conceal little substance of argument..."I agree with the president but I think I should be able to own one too."
(shrug) what I was was rational. Re-read what the Pres said. I agree with it. What is it you disagree with, other than your spin on the bit about the AK? Contrary to what you clearly implied, the Pres never equated you owning an AK, with you being a criminal.
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Well guess what? Obama's statement regarding AK-47s contained no provisions for you or I to own an AK-47.
I know that; as I said, the Pres & I don't agree on guns. But he never said or even implied what you claimed. You've got ideological blinders on, to insist otherwise. Read it again.
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More all or nothing liberal gun control logic. Keep agreeing with Obama and before long you will be lucky if you are permitted to own a pellet gun...
What is it that I've agreed with Obama on, re: gun control, other than taking what he said at face value... rather taking your route, and reading something that clearly was not there? You want to piss and moan about Obama, I unnerstan; but be honest, and address the entirety of the quote I post.
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that is if you really even own guns at the present time.
Ah... I'm not a gun owner? You didn't see the pics of that 9 pointer I got last Dec? Well... I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours... I know you wanna see it...



 
Politics don't affect my reading comprehension. I am a one issue voter. All I need to know about a candidate is his stance on the 2nd Amendment. If the candidate doesn't trust me to own a weapon then I dint need to know anything else about him. This is why I do not have a candidate to vote for this year.
Hey, we've got something in common!
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Make up your mind-you agree with Obama and on the very next line you disagree with Obama. Which one is it?
 
 
Obama says "AK-47's belong in the hands of soldiers not in the hands of criminals..." I have an AK-47 in my hand and I am not a soldier so what am I in the eyes of Obama? He didnt leave a whole lot of options or wiggle room  in his statement.
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Good post PM.
 
 
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YT, you know just as well as we do that O wants to eliminate gun ownership. That is his goal. His mouth is just metering this end gun with a desire for incremental steps in that direction.
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Make up your mind-you agree with Obama and on the very next line you disagree with Obama. Which one is it?
I agree with the President's statement in its entirety, as written. You just want to argue, but don't have the intellectual heft to keep up, so you're resorting to the 'hey, you're not a real gunowner!' dodge. Is it so incomprehensible to you, that someone can be on the same side of an issue with you, but not be ideologically pure?
Here's a hint: ideological purity will keep one from thinking.
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Obama says "AK-47's belong in the hands of soldiers not in the hands of criminals..."
Read it carefully, think about it, and tell me which part you disagree with, so far as it goes.
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I have an AK-47 in my hand and I am not a soldier so what am I in the eyes of Obama?
semi-auto clone, or a real Russian select-fire AK?
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He didnt leave a whole lot of options or wiggle room  in his statement.
Sure he did; you're just too stubborn to read the plain meaning.
YT, you know just as well as we do that O wants to eliminate gun ownership. That is his goal. His mouth is just metering this end gun with a desire for incremental steps in that direction.
I'll agree with he's not an ally of gunowners, esp guys like myself who think that if it's good enough for the FBI to own, it oughta be good for me... but Obama's not as bad as stubborn ideologues make him out to be, either. I've said since 2008 - correctly, it seems? - that he's got other priorities, and well understands that gun-grabbin' won't help him.
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C4. Glad at least most of us get it. The obamination will take full advantage of his libby media with these latest murders. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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I don't mean to jump in the middle of your political arguement but just wanted to share a thought or two. We gun owners have got to be our own worst enemies. The bill that Powderman posted about is just political posturing by democrats thrown out there to draw a reaction and gain a vote or two. It doesn't have a chinaman's chance of passing. We all get up in arms (pardon the pun) and then it is used to further point at gun owners and say see they aren't rational. Remember back in 08 when ammo and firearms were so hard to come by? I couldn't even buy a brick of 22 shells at Walmart. We did that to ourselves and we are about to do it again. I would wager there will be another run on ammunition and guns just before the election in November and certainly afterwards if Obama wins. I don't believe guns are ever going away or will be taken away I just don't think it can be done. I fully understand others disagree with me and that is OK. One thing is for sure if we look around here in a few months and can't even find a brick of 22 it will be our own collective fault. We are our own worst enemy.

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YT, there is a time and a place for everything as they say. This is most true in politics more than any other aspect of our lives. O will attempt all the dirty deeds in his 2nd term, God forbid the American people are stupid enough to give him that chance. Now of course, how the Congress is made up and the national politics will of course play a key role in what he would even attempt. But there is no question in my mind whatsoever, if he gets a 2nd term and there is a sea-change on congress to his favor, we'll see him unleash a wrath of filth of all kinds on us.
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My view is the opposite of YT's when it comes to Obummer, I believe he is FAR worse than most people believe. I believe he was fully aware (Hillary too) of the "Fast & Furious" plan to cause outrage with Americans due to a purposed spike in gun violence of their creation, but the plan got cut short. I don't think they cared how many of our LAO's got killed or how many Mexicans either. I don't think it was a coincidence that Hillary made some speaches about gun violence (assualt Rifle) along the border months before we knew of the scheme.
 
It is true that Obummers latest statements were an attempt to energize his base without sounding too extreme to others. But there is ZERO doubt in my mind that he will go for the gusto if re-elected & yes he will do that.  5 years ago most people would have said that the gov. could not seize 1/6 of our economy through health care & at the same time take over owenership of Corporations, but yes he could.
 
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Make up your mind-you agree with Obama and on the very next line you disagree with Obama. Which one is it?
I agree with the President's statement in its entirety, as written. You just want to argue, but don't have the intellectual heft to keep up, so you're resorting to the 'hey, you're not a real gunowner!' dodge. Is it so incomprehensible to you, that someone can be on the same side of an issue with you, but not be ideologically pure?
Here's a hint: ideological purity will keep one from thinking.

The fact that once again you have resorted to insulting my intelligence is a strong indication that you are losing this debate. When all else fails call you opponent stupid, right? My ideology is The Right to keep and bear arms as outlined in the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of The United States of America. So go ahead and throw out the the word "ideologue" as an insult as you frequently do.

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Obama says "AK-47's belong in the hands of soldiers not in the hands of criminals..."
  Read it carefully, think about it, and tell me which part you disagree with, so far as it goes.

The part left out invalidates the statement and Obamas "support" for the 2nd Amendment. Obama leaves out one very important part that speaks volumes about what he really believes. He should have said: 'AK-47's belong in the hands of soldiers, AND LAW ABIDING CITIZENS not in the hands of criminals.' Note that Obama left the "law abiding citizen" part out intentionally because he doesnt believe the law abiding should have access to them.

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I have an AK-47 in my hand and I am not a soldier so what am I in the eyes of Obama?
  semi-auto clone, or a real Russian select-fire AK?

What difference does this make? Do you intend to split hairs on what an AK-47 actually is? I am well aware that a semi automatic clone isnt "really" and AK-47.

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He didnt leave a whole lot of options or wiggle room  in his statement.
  Sure he did; you're just too stubborn to read the plain meaning.

I read the plain meaning quite clearly it is you who is too stubborn to see the stark truth in Obama's words.
 
As usual your semantics and thinly veiled insults are substituted for fact in your "arguements".

 
 
 
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LAKOTA. Another good post Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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The fact that once again you have resorted to insulting my intelligence is a strong indication that you are losing this debate.
No debate; I read the President's statement, and agree with it, so far as it goes. You miscontrued it to imply you were a criminal for owning your mysterious AK.
[size=78%]semi-auto clone, or a real Russian select-fire AK?[/size]
What difference does this make? Do you intend to split hairs on what an AK-47 actually is? I am well aware that a semi automatic clone isnt "really" and AK-47.
(shrug) simple curiosity. I had one of those MAK90s for a few years. Should have kept... they're worth a LOT more than I originally paid for it!
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OK , AK's belong in the hands of soilders. As an American citizen are we not a soilder ? Is it not at least part of the deal we have weapons to defend our nation ? I for one may stand corrected but feel citizens should own the best in weapons to be able to defend ourselves , state and nation.
I would also mention that the high number of murders at one event come from massacres not shoot outs . The difference is most often dictated by local govt. in advance. America was not invaded in WW2 because it was felt we owned to many personal guns to which I would say its working as planned.
So in the end your political leanings aside one must decide if they would rather be in a shoot out or be victom in a massacre ? when you strip away all the political / liberal BS that is the bottom line do you want to be able to shoot back or be a bullet sponge.
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OK , AK's belong in the hands of soilders.

SIGH... sort of. I think a select-fire version belongs in my hands, without having to say 'mother may I' to the feds.
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i have an  AK in the closet
a full auto in the safe...with a suppressor


am  i a criminal  too??????????????????


in obumers  eyes  or any of you??
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i have an  AK in the closet
a full auto in the safe...with a suppressor
am  i a criminal  too? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??
in obumers  eyes  or any of you??
Not in my eyes, and not in President Obama's, either, unless you've not got that Class III thing or some other dodge. If you're okay legally, he couldn't call you a criminal - paranoid ravings of some here notwithstanding - but he might think you a Bitter Clinger.
 
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Keep laboring under the false assumption that Obama is a gun friendly democrat. 4 years from now you can come back here and brag about the Chipmonk that you bagged with your new Daisy Red Rider and then we can go on the reloading forum and talk about how many pumps of air produces the best accuracy from our Crossman 760s. The fact of the matter ia that the upcoming election is the only thing holding Obama back from attempting to gut the 2nd Amendment. Oh and for the Romney fans out there I believe that weasle would sign any anti gun legisation that landed on his desk too.

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What is in the coolade YT? It should be a restricted substance! You actually think Obama considers semi auto AK clones as different than a full auto version? Do you support him because he says he is a democrat (not true anyway) or you believe government has a right to control every aspect of our lives? What hold has the left over you?
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What is in the coolade YT? It should be a restricted substance! You actually think Obama considers semi auto AK clones as different than a full auto version?
I never said or even implied that the pres has an opinion on that matter, so... what's in your 'coolade'?
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Do you support him because he says he is a democrat (not true anyway) or you believe government has a right to control every aspect of our lives?
Support him? I didn't vote for him. I simply posted what the man said re 2nd Amendment / gun control (and said recently). Does that count as supporting?
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No hold... only the contrast of the startlingly large number of dimbulb ideologues on the right who know how to sing in tune, but don't know much else.
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i have an  AK in the closet
a full auto in the safe...with a suppressor


am  i a criminal  too? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??


in obumers  eyes  or any of you??

 
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