Update Pa: a Dissection of another Act of Police Brutality

[TM7]

Ok, here we have another Police Brutality event, except this one is analyzed by a retired Pennsylvania police officer.....This is the 'anatomy'  of police brutality.... how it works, and how the system covers it up....now an endemic national situation...A little dry and long but worth the time for the insight, because it could happen to you or family members. ( Note to self>> avoid Towana, Bradford County, Pa.)
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...fyi....TM7
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[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/Xj30lbc5_mI[/embed]

 
 

[Cuts Crooked]

Obviously the state of PA has hired what they want for their State Troopers.

[yellowtail3]

It sounds to me like everything bad I have learned the past few years about LE, both by experience and a little reading is true.

I think citizens encountering the officers should... hope they never see them.

If this horror is anything like it appears to be, I think justice would be served, should all the officers involved be shot to death on duty, and the shooters acquitted by jury nullification.

Perhaps the FBI will be paying me a visit, now?

[DDZ]

Not to support anything the troopers did, because from the info provided, it looks like the troopers need to loose their job and be convicted. On the other hand if someone is unaware or unable to comprehend, because of a medical issue, that when a police car is behind you with its siren on, and lights flashing, you are to pull over. Maybe they should not have a drivers license. If one is unwilling or unable to obey laws while driving, they shouldn't be driving. 
It looked like one trooper was very ticked off and bit first, and like a pack of pit bulls with blood drawn, the rest attacked also. This is not representative of Pa troopers. I know a few Pa troopers and they are very good people, that would never do anything like this. Just like in society there are a number of people with evil intent. Just because one becomes a police officer, doesn't mean the evilness automatically leaves.     

[Cuts Crooked]

Obviously the state of PA has hired what they want for their State Troopers.

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Ahhh yeah,,,The State got the troopers it wanted and is apparently keeping them,,,, but The People didn't.....is that kinda the way its suppose to work..?
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..TM7

Yup! They voted for those who control the hiring......in the end they chose what they got.

[finisher]

Obviously the state of PA has hired what they want for their State Troopers.

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Ahhh yeah,,,The State got the troopers it wanted and is apparently keeping them,,,, but The People didn't.....is that kinda the way its suppose to work..?
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..TM7

Yup! They voted for those who control the hiring......in the end they chose what they got.

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This sounds like the same attitude my best friends dad used to have. Cuts Crooked, are you a cop by any chance?


I've grown up around a cop family and all their buddies from the LACSD and NO ONE can BS me about what these "control freak", alcoholic, wife beating, "I suffer from feelings of inadequacy" psychological case study monsters are all about.


I have come across some genuinely stand up cops once or twice in my time but they were far and few in between. Seems like there always the ones that get hurt, killed or wise up and leave the force.


On the streets of LA, it takes an animal to go out and deal with animals. The ones that wear the badges are just better trained pitbulls with a very long leash that is much much too long.


The only thing that keeps these guys somewhat in check is the presence of the camera. And the only reason they get away with this sh** is because the citizenry is intimidated beyond the point of doing something about it.


There was a time in LA when a neighborhood would every once in a while; and some one would say " I'll do the time if it means setting things right for what those bastards did to my kin."  Seems those days are gone.


But like most bullies and cowards, cops know which ones are hard enough and smart enough to pop up later down the road and give as good as they get.

[Cabin4]

Makes me sick. Those cops should be in jail for attempted murder.

[Shu]

Our little town had an officer  tackle a 65 year old woman. Because she was non compliant with his commands. She was having a stroke and in dire need of medical attention. it was a routine traffic stop when she got out of her car and wandered to the side of the road. She was tackled to prevent her from escaping. She was babbling incoherently so the officer tackled her put her in cuffs and pushed her into his squad car. Fortunately his sargent saw her and called for an ambulance. The officer's statement was she was non compliant and a danger to his authority.  I have asked how a 65 year old woman was any type of danger to this young man who is built like a line backer.
There is a law suit pending, will likely cost the town a huge amount of money.
 
Just shows it happens everywhere, I still say for every bad cop there is at least 10 who are incredibly proffessional.

[Tommyt]

Real Ruff
Disgusting to say the least

[Cuts Crooked]

ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TM, your memory must be shorter than your......well let's just say it's pretty short. We've had the "conversation" about my employment within the past month. LOL!!!

Meanwhile, it's fun to watch you try to justify your anarchy based attitude from multiple directions in multiple posts. And the comment about "it's the victims fault" is your crowning achievement lately!
Trying to read things into my post that I didn't say is pretty lame. (hint: not once have I ever remarked that I approve. I only pointed out that voters get what they vote for.......so who's ultimately to blame?)

But....since I'm such a nice guy...I'll give you chance to redeem yourself. Mind you, I'm not trying to be your muse (God Forbid) but I'll give you some hints and let you learn on your own. Here you go......How many LEOs are there in America?...this is simple and you should be able to find out without breaking a sweat. Now , cross check that number with the number of reported incidents of police brutality ( you can include your precious "wife beating control freak" incidents if you think it will help your learning curve) Next, and this is the only tough part, look up the stats for brutal attacks (and wife beating control freaks too) for the general populace............... and compare statistics.

Ok, I know your usual tactic when someone tosses you a challenge of this sort, you say "You want to know, you look it up." Which most of us know is your way of saying "I really don't want to know because it makes my argument null and void."

But here's your chance to learn something, and prove your assertation that cops are "acoholic, wife beating, control freak, I suffer from feelings of inadequecy, psychological case study monsters"

Or........can make your typical uneducated flip comment and walk away not knowing the truth.

Oh......and just so you know, not only did I not ever say I approved of the actions of the cops in the vid, I despise them..........and the majority of cops would call for their prosecution.

[Cabin4]

As a starting point, the last numebr I remeber seeing is there are about 500,000 cops in the US. that would be state, local, county, etc. So anything federal is not included. Not sure how accurate this is as of today.

[Cuts Crooked]

Like I said, flip comment. But it reinforces MY comment about voters getting what they vote for.

ROFLMDO!!!!!!!!!

[Cabin4]

TM, I think the best thing to do here, would be to answer the mathimatical questions being posed by Cuts. Let the math/metrics take this discussion in that direction. There is no excuse for LEO abuse, no matter what the metrics tell us.

[Cuts Crooked]

TM, I think the best thing to do here, would be to answer the mathimatical questions being posed by Cuts. Let the math/metrics take this discussion in that direction. There is no excuse for LEO abuse, no matter what the metrics tell us.

Dah! But he won't even try, sure bet there.

BTW, Most recent stats I've found show 900,000 sworn officers in the U.S.

Now, how do stop it given the following:
Entry qualifications Nearly all U.S. states and the federal government have by law adopted minimum-standard standardized training requirements for all officers with powers of arrest within the state. Many standards apply to in-service training as well as entry-level training, particularly in the use of firearms, with periodic re-certification required. These standards often comply with standards promoted by the US Department of Justice. These standards typically require a thorough background check that potential police recruits:
 

• Be a United States citizen (waived in certain agencies if the applicant is a lawful resident).
• Must have a high school diploma or a G.E.D. and if necessary a college degree or served in the United States military without a dishonorable discharge;
• Be in good physical and psychological condition;
• Maintain a clean criminal record without either serious or repeated misdemeanor or any felony convictions;
• Must have a valid driver's license with a clean driving record and that is not currently or has a history of being suspended or revoked;
• Be of high moral character;
• Not have a history of prior narcotic or repeated marijuana use or alcoholism;
• Not have a history of ethical, professional, prior employment, motor vehicle, or financial improprieties;
• Not have a history of domestic violence or mental illness;
• Not to pose a safety and security risk;
• Be legally eligible to own and carry a firearm.

Repeated interviews, written tests, medical examinations, physical fitness tests, comprehensive background investigations, fingerprinting, drug testing, a police oral board interview, a polygraph examination and consultation with a psychologist are common practices used to review the suitability of candidates. Recruiting in most departments is competitive, with more suitable and desirable candidates accepted over lesser ones, and failure to meet some minimum standards disqualifying a candidate entirely. Police oral boards are the most subjective part of the process and often disqualifies the biggest portion of qualified candidates^[10].Departments maintain records of past applicants under review, and refer to them in the case of either reapplication or requests from other agencies.

[Scibaer]

spend a little time on youtube, look at videos that people have submitted about cops, abusing people, lying about the law, attemping false arrests or issuing false tickets, the list goes on and on.
i watch one where a female lawyer was doing an interview, and some cops came up and tried to ticket her, and was making up laws as they went.. she was catching then in thier lies at every turn.  or another one, where i guy was ticketed for driving a atv on his own property and the cops ticketed him for tresspassing on his own land.
 i have has my own personal experience with cops, at the local level.  was pulled over and the sheriff tried to ticket me for revving my engine in a construction zone.  i have a 2009 chevy truck, automatic .  he got upset when i told him i was a cpl carrier and showed him the permit ( state law reuirement ) asked me if i was trying to intimidate him..
  LE officers mindset is becoming a real issue where i live, and based on other stories i have read or seen on youtube ( among others ) is a real problem nation wide these days .. teaching the next generation to obey and trust LEO's maybe a thing of the past ??

[Cuts Crooked]

spend a little time on youtube, look at videos that people have submitted about cops, abusing people, lying about the law, attemping false arrests or issuing false tickets, the list goes on and on.
i watch one where a female lawyer was doing an interview, and some cops came up and tried to ticket her, and was making up laws as they went.. she was catching then in thier lies at every turn.  or another one, where i guy was ticketed for driving a atv on his own property and the cops ticketed him for tresspassing on his own land.
 i have has my own personal experience with cops, at the local level.  was pulled over and the sheriff tried to ticket me for revving my engine in a construction zone.  i have a 2009 chevy truck, automatic .  he got upset when i told him i was a cpl carrier and showed him the permit ( state law reuirement ) asked me if i was trying to intimidate him..
  LE officers mindset is becoming a real issue where i live, and based on other stories i have read or seen on youtube ( among others ) is a real problem nation wide these days .. teaching the next generation to obey and trust LEO's maybe a thing of the past ??

Well....that was instructive. Would you care to try my learning experience, outlined above?

[Cuts Crooked]

TM, I think the best thing to do here, would be to answer the mathimatical questions being posed by Cuts. Let the math/metrics take this discussion in that direction. There is no excuse for LEO abuse, no matter what the metrics tell us.

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Been there_ _done that in a previous YT3 thread.Uhuh......Sure you did.  Here in Post#1 we have a LEO actually analysing this LEO attact and torture and the State giving it a pass.  Some people just don't care or get it, and actually want the issue hushed up and data frozen!  Police brutality is now endemic, and it appears an ever encroaching Police State since 911 has enabled it. Yeah riiightt!
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..TM7

A quick check will reveal 86 cases of "Police Brutality" since 1943 that resulted in monetary awards or convictions against the officers......not a comprehensive list but pretty well researched.

86...........900,000 LEOs..........What's that statistically?

[Cuts Crooked]

A quick check will reveal 86 cases of "Police Brutality" since 1943 that resulted in monetary awards or convictions against the officers......not a comprehensive list but pretty well researched.

86...........900,000 LEOs..........What's that statistically?

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And your quick check source is_______??



Look it up yourself....since you won't try to learn like I suggested. (your own tactic lil feller)

I did not claim it was A comprehensive report, but then neither are the sources you list.

[Scibaer]

• Be a United States citizen (waived in certain agencies if the applicant is a lawful resident

• Must have a high school diploma or a G.E.D. and if necessary a college degree or served in the United States military without a dishonorable discharge;
• Be in good physical and psychological condition;
• Maintain a clean criminal record without either serious or repeated misdemeanor or any felony convictions;
• Must have a valid driver's license with a clean driving record and that is not currently or has a history of being suspended or revoked;
• Be of high moral character;
• Not have a history of prior narcotic or repeated marijuana use or alcoholism;
• Not to pose a safety and security risk;
• Be legally eligible to own and carry a firearm.

none of which reflect any LEO's day to day , on the street behavior of lying or anything else that many many people are showing , from cellphone or video camera on sites like youtube.

• Not have a history of ethical, professional, prior employment, motor vehicle, or financial improprieties;
• Not have a history of domestic violence or mental illness;

these standards are self monitored, and even if reported, go unchecked and unpunished.

in my 44+ plus years of dealing with any type LE , people who are drawn to this type of position are those that feel the need to
control others and need to feel superior to those around them. the protect and serve values are quickly replaced by personal exceptionalism. and no stats or  interview process will change that.

[Cuts Crooked]

in my 44+ plus years of dealing with any type LE , people who are drawn to this type of position are those that feel the need to
control others and need to feel superior to those around them. the protect and serve values are quickly replaced by personal exceptionalism. and no stats or  interview process will change that.

Well, that there is incredible anecdotal evidence.........and has just about as much authority as my 30+ years as a LEO.

Bottom line here: If you actually check the facts and look at them from a statistical reality, the Law Enforcement community has far lower incidence of brutality than the general population of the United States. Those are facts.....now look them up and try to refute.

Or......you can remain ignorant and smug like TM appears to want to do. It's your choice.

[Scibaer]

so you think im smug ? cuz i wont look up facts that dont exist ?
alot, many of these road side situations are never reported
many citizens dont know they are being lied to or manipulated or the victim of abuse of power.
now citizens have some technology on thier side, small digital recorders and cellophone camera.
and these incidents are now being make public.
witness the alarming volume of videos on the web.
i cant refute facts from a self reporting and policing agency like LE agencies.
i can tell you that my ex works fairly high up in a branch of the gov. in state where we live.
she deals with the local sheriffs dept alot and any time she is called to a scene or house to make an evaluation
she , what the right word here... hates to have to deal with the LEO's and sort the truth from thier versions of whats what.
she calls them all liars.
  im hardly smug or ignorant. you labeling me as such sorta proves a point dont it.

[Cuts Crooked]

in my 44+ plus years of dealing with any type LE , people who are drawn to this type of position are those that feel the need to
control others and need to feel superior to those around them. the protect and serve values are quickly replaced by personal exceptionalism. and no stats or  interview process will change that.

Well, that there is incredible anecdotal evidence.........and has just about as much authority as my 30+ years as a LEO.

Bottom line here: If you actually check the facts and look at them from a statistical reality, the Law Enforcement community has far lower incidence of brutality than the general population of the United States. Those are facts.....now look them up and try to refute.

Or......you can remain ignorant and smug like TM appears to want to do. It's your choice.

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 TM is neither acting smug or ignorant, nor is TM7 your whipping boy. I do research on my own ideas or concepts, and present backup links freely or when asked. I do not do research to support detractors, rude persons, or for those with contrary opinions...THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT THEIR OWN STUFF AND MYTHS. So what's that quick check link?
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 And If we look at the facts it indeed appears the LEO business has a higher incidence of abuse and brutality then the general population, and a few having a narcissitic propensity to blame the victims be it the victim in Post#1 video, or civilian voters for electing politicians that hire and keep looser LEO employed...Sheeezzz...
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I think we are starting to see the phenomena of cyber narcissism in action,,,i.e. insulting and blaming victims while exonerating themselves from any abuses or responsibility, or even admitting a problem exists and getting worse..  This is textbook.
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...TM7

Nope, we are seeing you do exactly what I predicted you you would do.

[Cabin4]

I think there is a position open for those cops on obama's new CIVPOL. He needs a few more thugs.

[DDZ]

in my 44+ plus years of dealing with any type LE , people who are drawn to this type of position are those that feel the need to
control others and need to feel superior to those around them. the protect and serve values are quickly replaced by personal exceptionalism. and no stats or  interview process will change that.

So all LEO's have a need to control others, and a need to feel superior. That is an outright lie.

[Cuts Crooked]

So all LEO's have a need to control others, and a need to feel superior. That is an outright lie.

Not to worry my friend, they just don't know any better.....it's the liberal mind set, you know. 

Here, let's help them out: http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/2065461-NAPOs-2010-Top-Cops-Heroic-acts-and-sacrifices-honored-in-D-C-ceremony/

[Cuts Crooked]

http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2011/12/photos_hoboken_police_officers.html
http://ballwin-ellisville.patch.com/articles/ballwin-officer-honored-for-heroic-acts

[Cuts Crooked]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/04/11/denver-police-officers-honored-for-heroic-acts/
http://ballwin-ellisville.patch.com/articles/ballwin-officer-honored-for-heroic-acts

[Cuts Crooked]

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/donna-54875-heroic-officers.html

"It's nothing heroic, we're just doing our job." That's the statement of a man who some here would have you believe is nothing but an "alcoholic wife beater with feelings of inadequecy".

And the neat thing is.......they do it every day.

[Scibaer]

its my opinion, its not a lie, LEO's feel the need to control others, have the need to feel superior to other and have an uncontrolled
personal exceptionalism problem.
 nice links to police officers  doing good for thier communities. getting hero awards and whatnot's
that is very nice to see.
 now to be fair and balanced show links to videos of cops using unnecessary force, brutality, making false arrests, lying to citizens and the like.   i have no fight with a LEO doing good, and im sure some have the ability to do good.
but them officers are far and few between and getting thinner every day. and the thugs in blue are more prevalant everyday.
where i live ( 2nd highest crime rate in the US , not the 1st cuz we are under 100,000 population ) the few cops we have left, are constantly being accused of criminal acts and are defending themselves in court, not always successfully.
 i call a good guy ,a good guy and a bad actor a bad actor no matter if he/she is wearing a  LE uniform or not

[Cabin4]

I'm really not so sure about that. Many LEOs do want to control people and I think that nature type finds being a LEO attractive. Also, LEO training is about controlling the situation. So even if its not in your nature to control people, you are trained to exert control. You have to. Its when the controlling nature, meets the controlling training that's meets the psycho cop, we have a real problem like in PA. You have to admit, those cops are nut cases.