why Mitt is unlikeable

[mcbammer]

Ive  noticed   over  the  years  that   certain  people  just   resent  sucessful  people.

[Swampman]

Yep, God said, "the nations who bless Israel, He will bless".

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 Well, except for the fact running off any and all indigenous tribes and seizing their property, while claiming endless victimhood as a master race, but having nuclear hegemony, in order to fullfill somebody's occult addenda...might not be 'blessing Isreal'....in fact, it might be 'defiling Isreal' by False Babylon........I suspect this to be the case since Jesus said so.
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Silliest post ever.....

[rickt300]

I guess we should pity those suffering under great delusion. Israel is the one sane country in the region.

[rio grande]

Israel isn't getting a free pass.  They aren't doing anything wrong.  I see no injustice or crimes being commited by Israel.  I see no reason not to give them what they want because they pay for it.  To wipe out evil is justice.

"They pay for it"?  Really? That's silly. The facts show otherwise.

"The current estimate by the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs of cumulative total U.S. direct aid to Israel is $123.202 billion..."

http://www.wrmea.org/congress-and-us-aid-to-israel/494-congress-a-us-aid-to-israel/11203-u-s-aid-to-israel.html

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/12/18/obama-approves-30-billion-in-military-aid-to-israel-over-next-decade/

http://antiwar.com/orig/israelweapons.html

Doing nothing wrong?  Assassinations, invasions and destabilization of neighboring countries, industrial theft, espionage against the U.S. and other countries, interference with U.S. elections, fomenting preemptive war, torture of prisoners, stockpiling nuclear, biological and chemical weapons while refusing to sign international treaties such as the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (Iran signed it BTW),  apartheid-like treatment of the Palestinians, etc.

And the 'free pass' I referred to is Romney's AND Obama' promises to defer to Israeli plans for war, and their pledges not to condemn Israel for aggression.
Thanks for reminding me about the money issue, that's OUR money we give them, U.S. taxpayers money.

[BBF]

There must be special made blinders passed out to the Israeli first bunch.
 
Rio Grande: All those items listed by you enjoy special dispensation for the Chosen. It just doesn't count against them and all is well.

[Swampman]

Israel is our only ally.  They buy our equipment.  Test our equipment.  Improve our equipment.  If they kill persians and arabs, that's good and we should give them all the help they need.  It saves us the trouble.

[Doublebass73]

There must be special made blinders passed out to the Israeli first bunch.

Yes, isn't it strange that people who consider themselves "real conservatives" are in favor of the government taking billions of dollars of our hard-earned income by force and then giving it away to a foreign country?

[Swampman]

Money well spent.....I explained that.

[Doublebass73]

Money well spent.....I explained that.

That's nice that you think that but my point was that there is nothing conservative about advocating for the taking of American's hard earned money and giving it away to a foreign country.

[Swampman]

It's a good investment.  That's very conservative.
 
The majority of military aid to Israel is used to buy weapons from the U.S.  This creates jobs and protects American interest in the region.

[ironglow]

Rio Grande says;
  " God does not give, or has ever given, a free pass to Israel or anyone else to do wrong. "
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   Rio Grande; ....I simply must hasten to remind you;
If you insist on pontificating upon the Bible...you really should study it more.  God gives almost everyone a free pass to do what is wrong, but he also warns that there will be repercussions.
  He gave Adam & Eve a free pass, also Job, Abraham, Moses, the Israelites while on exodus, Gideon, Judas...all had the option of doing what is right or what is wrong..  We too, can also choose to love Him..or choose to hate Him by denying Him..our free choice.  Then later, He executes His options...
       Sounds like the conservative vs liberal debate in general.  Normally, conservatives love him just as liberals generally hate (deny) Him.  Some few try to quibble with him,when it comes to questions such as the existence of and concerns for, His people, Israel.

[rio grande]

Rio Grande says;
  " God does not give, or has ever given, a free pass to Israel or anyone else to do wrong. "
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   Rio Grande; ....I simply must hasten to remind you;
If you insist on pontificating upon the Bible...you really should study it more.  God gives almost everyone a free pass to do what is wrong, but he also warns that there will be repercussions.
  He gave Adam & Eve a free pass, also Job, Abraham, Moses, the Israelites while on exodus, Gideon, Judas...all had the option of doing what is right or what is wrong..  We too, can also choose to love Him..or choose to hate Him by denying Him..our free choice.  Then later, He executes His options...
       Sounds like the conservative vs liberal debate in general.  Normally, conservatives love him just as liberals generally hate (deny) Him.  Some few try to quibble with him,when it comes to questions such as the existence of and concerns for, His people, Israel.

Yes, you are right - God grants us individuals a free will. And, yes, there are consequences.  But God never sanctions evil, or evil men who claim God gives them every right to arrogantly dominate others.

Wrong is wrong. 
And biblical Israel has been chastised by God rather severely on many occasions due to pride and wrongdoing.  There were  consequences, and our own nation is facing the consequences of supporting a secular and worldly nation which calls itself Israel.

I must say again - uncritical support for any nation is idolatry. 

But I cannot speak for God, and neither can you. God will judge in the end.
Others here may be atheists, agnostic, or different religions. The Bible means little to them.
As we reference the Bible let us remember them. 
All people understand what oppression, theft, and murder is. Those who claim a divine sanction to commit these acts are doubly wrong.

[rio grande]

It's a good investment.  That's very conservative.
 
The majority of military aid to Israel is used to buy weapons from the U.S.  This creates jobs and protects American interest in the region.

That is simply saying that supporting wrongdoing is good for business.
A poor justification.
As well as an incorrect one.
Our nation simply cannot afford to carry Israel any longer.
There are human costs, economic costs and moral costs.

[Cabin4]

It's certainly about time this country revisit its policies related all foreign aid/support. From my perspective, everything is on the table. We cannot afford to tax the American people and then send their money off shore to aid the world. We need those tax dollars removed from the federal tax revenues and left in the best hands of those that made it, here in the US. Let the people decide how best to spend their money.

[Swampman]

It's a good investment.  That's very conservative.
 
The majority of military aid to Israel is used to buy weapons from the U.S.  This creates jobs and protects American interest in the region.

That is simply saying that supporting wrongdoing is good for business.
A poor justification.
As well as an incorrect one.
Our nation simply cannot afford to carry Israel any longer.
There are human costs, economic costs and moral costs.

I see no wrong doing at all.  I'm glad we are doing what we are doing.  The enemy of my friend is my enemy.  The friend of my friend is my friend.

[Doublebass73]

It's a good investment.  That's very conservative.
 
The majority of military aid to Israel is used to buy weapons from the U.S.  This creates jobs and protects American interest in the region.

It's money down the toilet that we'll never get back. Your logic for creating jobs is no different than having the government take our tax money and give it to unions AKA Obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. It's Keynesian economics and one of the reasons why we're 15 Trillion dollars in debt. There is NOTHING conservative about that.

[BBF]

Strange math there.
 
Money given is spend on buying stuff from the people that gave in the first place.  HUH !!
 There is profit in this??
 
 
Never mind what the "stuff" is used for.
 
Special Blinders !! Strange math! I won't touch the ethics or morality with a ten foot fork.
 
BTW If given the choice I would "Write In" my choice for President now, knowing that my choice would never make it to the WH but couldn't stomach the two choices( HAR, a choice   ) given now.

[rickt300]

Strange math there.
 
Money given is spend on buying stuff from the people that gave in the first place.  HUH !!
 There is profit in this??
 
 
Never mind what the "stuff" is used for.
 
Special Blinders !! Strange math! I won't touch the ethics or morality with a ten foot fork.
 
BTW If given the choice I would "Write In" my choice for President now, knowing that my choice would never make it to the WH but couldn't stomach the two choices( HAR, a choice   ) given now.

Don't try to understand em, just ride em, rope em and brand em!

[Swampman]

You'd have to work for a military contractor to understand how this is money well spent.  It really helps to keep the cost of military hardware and defense research down.  It saves billions of dollars and millions of lives.  God's work I like to call it.

[BBF]

I see it as another way to bleed the patient(taxpayer).

[Swampman]

It's an investment in freedom.

[Doublebass73]

You'd have to work for a military contractor to understand how this is money well spent.  It really helps to keep the cost of military hardware and defense research down.  It saves billions of dollars and millions of lives.  God's work I like to call it.

Wow, who knew that when the government takes our hard earned money and gives it away to a foreign country that they were doing God's work?

[ironglow]

  I see the same guys hating Israel continually..to me, the lazy slugs who take taxpayer money and refuse to so much as work a few hours each week to pay for their vittles ..is a greater threat than Israel ever was.  Same for the many freeloaders who take govt checks, food stamps and free child care.
 It's not as if we don't get our money's worth. We are provided up to date intelligence and by Israel (Little Satan) being there it keeps the heat somewhat off "big Satan"...who is us ... helps to keep the stupidcide crazies busy over there.!
 
  You guys who hate Idrael..keep it up, you're only condemning yourselves...but you have some infamous company,
they hated Israel and the Jews also..of course, except for the final picture, I spoke in past-tense...but his is coming;

[Swampman]

You'd have to work for a military contractor to understand how this is money well spent.  It really helps to keep the cost of military hardware and defense research down.  It saves billions of dollars and millions of lives.  God's work I like to call it.

Wow, who knew that when the government takes our hard earned money and gives it away to a foreign country that they were doing God's work?

All Christians

[crustylicious]

"You guys who hate Idrael..keep it up...you have some famous company."
Now that's non-sequitur! There was no Israel when the Nazis were in power so you must mean Jews.
Thus the colollary:
You guys who love Jews..keep it up...you have some famous company:
Bernie Madoff, David Berkowitz, Joel Steinberg and Yigal Amir
 
 

[rio grande]

  I see the same guys hating Israel continually..to me, the lazy slugs who take taxpayer money and refuse to so much as work a few hours each week to pay for their vittles ..is a greater threat than Israel ever was.  Same for the many freeloaders who take govt checks, food stamps and free child care.
 It's not as if we don't get our money's worth. We are provided up to date intelligence and by Israel (Little Satan) being there it keeps the heat somewhat off "big Satan"...who is us ... helps to keep the stupidcide crazies busy over there.!
 
  You guys who hate Idrael..keep it up, you're only condemning yourselves...but you have some infamous company,
they hated Israel and the Jews also..of course, except for the final picture, I spoke in past-tense...but his is coming;

"The Hebrews took for their idol, not something made of metal or wood, but a race, a nation, something just as earthly. Their religion is essentially inseparable from such idolatry, because of the notion of the 'chosen people'."

-Simone Weil

Weil is someone I greatly admire, a Jewish woman, a brilliant mathematician and writer who opposed fascism and served with the Free French in WWII.
How desperate you must be to drag out the old 'nazi' card. Is that really the best you can do?

And BTW, since she opposed fascism (to the point of armed resistance) I don't think she would care for Romney any more than she would Obama.

[Swampman]

It not about Jews, it's about Israel.  I don't suffer from class envy like some here.

[ironglow]

"You guys who hate Idrael..keep it up...you have some famous company."
Now that's non-sequitur! There was no Israel when the Nazis were in power so you must mean Jews.
Thus the colollary:
You guys who love Jews..keep it up...you have some famous company:
Bernie Madoff, David Berkowitz, Joel Steinberg and Yigal Amir

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Crusty;
   There you go...setting up a "straw man" again !  Where is your proof that these criminals had any concern at all for Israel?  Are you assuming because they had Jewish sounding names, that they somehow were tied to Israel? 
      Is everyone with an Arabic sounding name a mad bomber?  Don't be silly; to many, our prez has an Arabic sounding name..what's your appraisal of him ?
  I hope by now, that you realize that was a silly post!

[ironglow]

Rio Grande says;
   " But I cannot speak for God, and neither can you. God will judge in the end.
Others here may be atheists, agnostic, or different religions. The Bible means little to them.
As we reference the Bible let us remember them. 
All people understand what oppression, theft, and murder is.  Those who claim a divine sanction to commit these acts are doubly wrong."
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   Rio;
   Please deliver that same message to the Islamic side of the ME disputes !
      I really hope you have noticed; the Israelis have tried to avoid the terror conflicts or at least tried to keep it confined to the area of the ME.
      The Israelis have not taken the battle to other, non-involved nations.  The Jews have not blowed up trains in Spain, ...busses in the UK, ...nightclubs in Bali,.. pizza parlors,.. teen centers, ...school buses..embassies in Africa.. or major buildings in the US !
   You Jew-haters whine about the $$ provided to Israel, who defends our eastern flank..while the same kind of $$ are given to ME nations who hate us...seems if you were completely honest, you would be  more concerned about them!
    Compared to the money given to Israel, how much do you suppose thw radical Muslims have cost us at the World Trade Center & Pentagon...and how do you put a $$ value on 3,000 American lives ?
   Time to wake up... and smell the singed and broken bodies !!!

[gypsyman]

Good post ironglow. Of course the facts mean little to some. gypsyman