Chick Fil A Appreciation Day

[Swampman]

What a bunch of nonsense.  A sexual pervert (gay man) will molest a boy given the chance.

[josiah712]

Let's face it, Crusty,
 
We can always counts on you, to be on the opposite side of anything in the Bible.  You have a clear disdain for Christians, and all that we believe.  I can think of someone who would agree with you on every point; and he is extremely powerful, but doomed none the less.

[lgm270]

I went to the link and read it.   It was double talking B.S.   

Liberals have openly advocated using government power to punish Christians for their open expressions of political and religious views.   The mayors of Chicago and Boston as well as some non-white alderman in  Chicago, openly stated their intention to deny business licenses and permits to CFA as punishment for the statements of its President. 

There's a rumor that the mayors of Chicago & Boston are both... Whites. And they're not even Muslims. Wassup wit dat?!?

Rham Emmanual is not white...he's Jewish and served in the Israeli military.   The mayor of Boston is indeed some kind of white liberal.

The relegation of white people to second class citizenship could not have been accomplished without the collusion of powerful whites such as Lyndon B. Johnson, under whom the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Immigration Reform act of 1965,  were passed, not to mention Ronald Reagan, who gave us the first amnesty for Mexicans and the Martin Luther King Holiday, and George W. Bush, who opened the doors of this country to the flood of non-white third world primitives to suck up welfare dollars, bankrupt hospitals and dumb down schools.   

A white Bill Clinton and White Newt Gingrich and White Robert Dole engineered NAFTA and GATT, which were instrumental in exporting US manufacturing jobs to China and other third world slave labor countries.

White leaders are the greatest enemies of rank and file white people.   White leaders, of both political parties, have combined forces to replace white American workers with third world primitives who work for less and who are more easily herded around like livestock.   

[josiah712]

You are starting to get it figured, LGM;
 
and those white boys will close down every major factory, and take control of every major farm; before they go underground and turn off the lights on the rest of us, permanently.
 

[Swampman]

Lots of racism and calss envy n these comments.  It's pretty scarry to see how some people roll.

[DDZ]

"The real scandal about gays is that 40% of child molesters are male homosexual" - Pedofilia and homosexuality are not related
 
General public perception is that child molestation is directly linked to homosexuality. Perhaps it's because many continue to falsely associate homosexuality exclusively with sexual behavior and thus believe children are not safe around gay men. This misguided perception has led to widespread opposition to gay teachers, religious leaders and day care providers among others. But is the link between gays and pedophilia fact or myth?

Adoption expert, Carrie Craft cites the Child Welfare Information Gateway (previously National Adoption Information Clearinghouse) as stating, "A child's risk of being molested by his or her relatives' heterosexual partner is over one hundred times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual." The study also found that of 269 cases of child sex abuse, only two offenders where found to be gay or lesbian. The American Psychological Association agrees, "Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals molest children."

According to these reputable studies, gay men are actually less likely to molest children. So, will these myth-busters change general perception?
 
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
 
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-distortion-the-far-right-has-on-molestationpedophilia-and-homosexuality/question-2757813/
 
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_chil.htm

The fact is that homosexuals are around 3% of the population, but commit a large portion of the child abuse cases. Homosexuals what us to believe otherwise, because the truth would certainly hinder their agenda of making homosexuality into a normal lifestyle. Why do you think the Boy scouts ban homosexual men from leadership? Really, would anyone want their child going off on a camping trip with a homosexual as their scout leader?

How often to you see 40 and 50 year old homosexuals together? One reason is that homosexual men don't normally live past 50. If they do no one wants them.  Homosexuality is about sexual deviancy, and homosexual men do seek out young partners.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from lgm270:
"The relegation of white people to second class citizenship could not have been accomplished without the collusion of powerful whites such as Lyndon B. Johnson, under whom the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Immigration Reform act of 1965,  were passed, not to mention Ronald Reagan, who gave us the first amnesty for Mexicans and the Martin Luther King Holiday, and George W. Bush, who opened the doors of this country to the flood of non-white third world primitives to suck up welfare dollars, bankrupt hospitals and dumb down schools."


The above makes no sense to me. Blacks should not be allowed to vote and allowed other rights that helped blacks to have a chance of having some of equality?
GuzziJohn

[guzzijohn]

Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..."


Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).


In yet another approach to studying adult sexual attraction to children, some Canadian researchers observed how homosexual and heterosexual adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child, pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature sexual partners. In some of the slides shown to subjects, the model was clothed; in others, he or she was nude. The slides were accompanied by audio recordings. The recordings paired with the nude models described an imaginary sexual interaction between the model and the subject. The recordings paired with the pictures of clothed models described the model engaging in neutral activities (e.g., swimming). To measure sexual arousal, changes in the subjects' (censored word) volume were monitored while they watched the slides and listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989).


Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).


Some posters here need to learn to do a little research before posting complete BS.
GuzziJohn

[yellowtail3]

Some posters here need to learn to do a little research before posting complete BS.
GuzziJohn

But that would undermine their schtick...

[DDZ]

So information one finds on the internet to support their beliefs makes all other information BS?
 My opinion is that the only reason more homosexuals don't molest boys under 18 is for the fear of getting caught and sent to jail. There are many links between homosexuals and the NAMBLA. Gee, I wonder why that is?   


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/nambla_exposed.htm

http://www.theinterim.com/2002/sept/02study.html

[guzzijohn]

Dr. Dailey's "research" is very poor science. Look into how he did his "research" compared to a carefully done studies that follow established research guidelines. His studies would not even rate a D grade in a basic research class.


Easier to Nauseate Than Educate It doesn’t matter how often the lie is repeated; it still remains false. Dr. Michael R. Stevenson conducted an exhaustive review of the literature in 2000, and concluded that “a gay man is no more likely than a straight man to perpetrate sexual activity with children,” and “cases of perpetration of sexual behavior with a pre-pubescent child by an adult lesbian are virtually nonexistent”.³⁹ The research is so strong that the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatrists⁴⁰ and the American Psychological Association⁴¹ are on record saying that there is no relationship between homosexuality and child sexual abuse.
These anti-gay activists know that their claims are false. They’ve read the research from the most knowledgeable experts in the field — the same research I reviewed here in this article. They must know that the falsehoods they are spreading contradict what the researchers themselves are saying.
But they keep spreading their accusations because they know how effective they are. Every parent would consider it his or her worst nightmare to discover that their innocent child has been sexually violated. And anti-gay activists feed on that fear to further their agenda because, as Colorado for Family Values founder Tony Marco observed, “It is easier to nauseate than it is to educate.”⁴²
And while this lie is horribly libelous to gay men and women, that’s only a small part of the problem. The real harm is to our children. As long as we remain suspicious of the wrong people, predators will continue to have free reign to abuse innocent children. If they remain free from scrutiny because everyone else is focusing on gays and lesbians, more young lives will continue to be shattered and more parents will suffer the agonizing heartache of learning that they trusted someone who destroyed their child’s future.

[Swampman]

We know full well where the threats lie.  I don't want any children areound gay men.  You can keep quoting sodomite favorable websites if you wish.  We all have to choose a side.  I will chose God's side.  That leaves you on the opposite side.

[billy_56081]

What must be considered in the lies our liberal posters post is. A male who molests a boy is not considered to be a homosexual unless they claim to be homosexual. Libs have no problem with lying.

BTW I had my first Chick fila sandwich a few days ago. It was delicious. 

[nomosendero]

We know full well where the threats lie.  I don't want any children areound gay men.  You can keep quoting sodomite favorable websites if you wish.  We all have to choose a side.  I will chose God's side.  That leaves you on the opposite side.

True

[crustylicious]

We know full well where the threats lie.  I don't want any children areound gay men.  You can keep quoting sodomite favorable websites if you wish.  We all have to choose a side.  I will chose God's side.  That leaves you on the opposite side.

Why worry? It's all predestined, right?

[Swampman]

I'm not worried, I'm taking a side.

[Doublebass73]

We know full well where the threats lie.  I don't want any children areound gay men.  You can keep quoting sodomite favorable websites if you wish.  We all have to choose a side.  I will chose God's side.  That leaves you on the opposite side.

Oh really? Then how come you're voting for this guy for president?

Romney: "There's something to be said for having a Republican who supports civil rights   in this broader context, including sexual orientation. When Ted Kennedy   speaks on gay rights, he's seen as an extremist. When Mitt Romney speaks on gay rights, he's seen as a centrist and a moderate."



 Gov. Romney's banner at Youth   Pride 2005:




Gov. Romney's Proclamation   urging all citizens to celebrate "Gay/Straight Youth Pride Day" in May   2003:



Romney's letter to log cabin Republicans;

[Swampman]

No problem with Mitt's stance.  I have mine and he has his.

[crustylicious]

[Doublebass73]

No problem with Mitt's stance.  I have mine and he has his.

So you consider voting for Mitt choosing God's side?

[Swampman]

I consider voting for Mitt the only thing a sane person would do.

[nomosendero]

I saw where they were against lifestyles and sinful behavior, I see no evidence they hate anyone. Can you show me evidence that they hate or are you being less than honest?

[Duke0313]

I didn't invent the word of God, I just try to live by it.

[finisher]

I saw black people at Chick-fil-A too.  This was a moral issue not a racial issue.

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Partial quote by lgm270
"How many white flash mobs have you seen?"
"...it's just that when large numbers of them congregate they either burn something down or form flash mobs to rob and attack people."

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I'm sure the indigenous people of this continent have seen quite a few. I wonder what they'd have to say about what happens when people of a particular...or should I say of no pigment start to congregate.

But I know... the answer like always is " that was a long time ago" that means its different and doesn't count right. .  OK.

Finisher.

[finisher]

"........ if you are athiest and believe in evolution.  They can't reproduce and should die out, but they have never died out.  So that must mean it is a lifestyle choice, like if you choose to be a rapist, or murderer.  Some things are just wrong no matter whose beliefs you think are right."

 
 Genetics and the Punnett Square are typically taught in seventh grade. Some of you should have stuck around!

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At last... a fresh, racist free perspective. Thank you sir!

[finisher]

 
Quote by lgm270:
"A white Bill Clinton and White Newt Gingrich and White Robert Dole engineered NAFTA and GATT, which were instrumental in exporting US manufacturing jobs to China and other third world slave labor countries."

"White leaders are the greatest enemies of rank and file white people.   White leaders, of both political parties, have combined forces to replace white American workers with third world primitives who work for less and who are more easily herded around like livestock." 

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 In one of your previous posts I saw a mention of "Orwellian" something or other... I got the impression you were not a big fan of Orwell.


Yet if you sift through the book "1984" particularly where Winston is reading through the party manifesto regarding the purpose of perpetual low intensity warfare ( CHAPTER "War Is Peace"), you may find that it describes a very similar situation to what you just described about what I call the subversive importation of foreign labor.


Coincidence

[finisher]

Lots of racism and calss envy n these comments.  It's pretty scarry to see how some people roll.

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We have some very different views on many things Swampman but on this I completely agree.


With my cultural/genetic background , I really am unsure of where I fit in to all this.

[finisher]

As many of you may know by now, I was born and raised in Los Angeles (Capital city of "freak") I say this with no humility whatsoever: there is not much I have not seen.


What goes on in the bedroom should be kept in the bedroom, I say. I used to laugh at my teachers when they would chastise us youngsters for public and open displays of mildly intimate affection (holding hands and smooching and such) , but as an adult and father and having matured (somewhat) I find myself very much agreeing with the old "fuddy duddies".


 I have never approved of the homosexual lifestyle and the term "lifestyle" does imply that I believe it is a choice in the overwhelming majority of cases; the only exceptions being some the unfortunate, physically "gender bending" types that I have seen. I won't go into detail but I have seen many that were unfortunately born the way they were.


I'm not one to tell people what to do with their bodies in the privacy of there homes. I feel that it is a moral issue, but being that it falls into the consensual (victim-less "crime" either by law or in the eyes of god) category of transgressions, I would not move to legislate against such choice of lifestyle.


However, having extended this much tolerance and courtesy towards their lifestyles, I would expect the same courtesy extended towards my desire to keep what happens in the bedroom IN THE BEDROOM.

I have never been taken to thumping the Bible and pointing fingers (some of you may call this a liberal attitude though I claim immunity from such narrow minded labels) at anyone as I am not perfect and have sinned enough (at least in my opinion) to have earned myself a one way ticket to the hot place. But I completely accept responsibility and ACCOUNTABILITY (to my maker) for my moral choices and that is a matter between my maker and I as I feel it is between other "sinners" and theirs.


Other than the racist attitudes, I agree with the views of some on this thread:
I have observed where the older do tend to pursue the younger or practice what is referred to as "chicken hawking" in LA.
I know, just the sound of it is very dis-tasteful.


I agree that a business owner should have the right to discriminate... PERIOD; public establishment or not, it is still privately owned. This makes it easier for me (some others may misidentify) to distinguish who simply wishes to run a respectable establishment, and who the racist pigs really are. Truthfully, I wouldn't want anyone doing anything more than maybe holding hands in my establishment and certainly not smooching in it whether they were gay or straight so this becomes an issue of behavioral standard and not race.


I agree that EVERYONE, even hateful Christians and even racist pigs have the right to PEACEFULLY express their views ESPECIALLY in public. I gave several years of my life in service to defending (from exactly what clearly defined enemy though, I'm still a little unclear) this very ideal.


I do not think that consensual "crimes" for lack of a better term should be legislated when they are "commited by CONSENTING ADULTS in the privacy of their homes. This is where the religious crowd and I start to part ways. And I also believe in the separation of church and state as I, with respect to consensual, moral transgressions, answer to NO MAN on this earth. And to legislate morality, I feel is to put too much judgmental power (of god) into the hands of an IMPERFECT man.


An example of the kind of mess this notion creates is the whole "Gay Marriage" issue where one side wants the government to show partiality (preference) to a moral established upon religious foundation  (As I have said before, I do not approve of the choice of homosexual lifestyle but that is a choice between the the individual and their god or lack of) and it is in CLEAR VIOLATION of our constitution (which I swore to defend) for the government to do so.


Lets come down to the world of man and understand that in the eyes of the moral religious, marriage is a sacred institution that receives its blessing and strength of bond in church through the power of god. And for those that TRULY believe, I would think that would be enough. So why seek the approval and blessing of the government of man when in the eyes of the government, marriage is simply a binding legal contract between to individuals who choose the misery of LEGALLY BINDING themselves to each other.


But it just so happens that with that LEGAL bond come certain LEGAL benefits as well that have nothing to do with the sacred commitment of LOVE between a man and a woman. The government of man has NO PLACE anywhere in that sacred institution if one TRULY believes.


Again, it is all a matter of perspectives:


The homosexuals I feel have the right to all the benefits of being LEGALLY BOUND (in the eyes of the government of man) should they choose that misery (I'm not really miserable people, I love my wife and kids... but you know...) but where they go wrong, I feel is that they want to shove it in everyone's face with the self conscious notion that by getting the people to legalize it, it is now suddenly morally acceptable  ...maybe in the eyes of the government, but government is not supposed to regulate or legislate morality based upon religious foundation according to the constitution, correct.


They do not have the right to have these unions (although legal in the eyes of the governments of man) blessed in the eyes of god, no matter what denomination of minister performs the ceremony. Certainly they can go through the motions but again that is an issue between them and their god, or lack of and not the government of man.


If the two sides could both distinguish between the authority of man and of god and stop trying to claim the blessings of both (because such "blessings", I believe are WORLDS apart), then perhaps this issue may one day be resolved without all the hatred , judgment and ugliness that it breeds.


But until then, I will still continue to stand up for EVERYONE'S right to peacefully express their opinion; the homos, the religious, the racist pigs. Everyone has the right to peacefully express their ignorance and even post it on their cars and wear it on their clothes. I will fight and die for that so long as the ignorant don't try to take away my right to peacefully express my opinion of their being ignorant.


God bless this "Ship of Fools",


Finisher.

[yellowtail3]

Well said, Finisher.

[Dixie Dude]

I am a Christian and I believe in marriage only between a man and woman. 
 
That being said, I have no problems with gays obtaining a "civil union" for the purpose of benefits.  A "civil union" can also be between two bachelor brothers or two sisters.  One may have benefits, the other none, and they decided not to marry for some reason and live together for the sake of cost.  A civil union could give benefits to a sibling.
 
Again, what goes on in the bedroom should stay there.  However, I have read that the federal government did about 6 studies on gays from the 1950's till the 1990's.  In every case gays only numbered between 1-3% of the population.  Also gay men in their late teens or 20's will get younger guys just going into puberty and before they have had a sexual experience with the opposite sex to try their lifestyles.  These young boys mostly had no fathers growing up, a domineering mother, and thus look to an older gay guy as a big brother or father figure. 
 
Remember adultry is also a sin to God also, but 50% of Americans have done this.  The results of sexual sins are apparent in our culture today.  Men do not raise their own children.  Children with broken families have 92% more problems than normal two parent kids.  The gay lifestyle gave us AIDS and gays have far more sexually transmitted diseases.  Same with prostitutes.  All of these diseases and problems with juvilile delinquency, gangs, prostitution, and drug problems, mostly stem from parents not being parents.   
 
Nothing beats a good God fearing two original parent families.  Kids grow up more wholesome, healthy, respectful, and are more prosperous in life.  Dads who take their kids fishing, hunting, shooting, or plays baseball, or throws a football with them.  Having a family game night, helps with homework, is involved with their kids, family vacations.  Kids NEED both a FATHER figure and a MOTHER figure in their lives for balance.  Noone is perfect, but kids are and can be much better, and harder working as adults. 
 
Just because Christians call a spade a spade, homosexuality is a sin, as well as adultry, we are called bigots and have hate.  We are only telling people what God is telling people, you can't be truely happy and content, if you deviate from God's path of normal healthy relationships.  We do not HATE people, we HATE the sin, but love the sinner. 
 
A resent Princeton University study said kids exposed to sex on TV and Movies start having sex at a younger age, resulting in more teen pregnancies, and disease spreading.  Hmm, haven't we heard that warning somewhere before.   
 
A Godly lifestyle is fun, wholesome, and relaxing, no need for promiscuity, dieviant sex, drunken parties.  There are a lot of good things that can be done to have fun, and not hurt yourselves or others.