Terrorist strikes in Oak Creek, WI - six murdered

[yellowtail3]

There's speculation that the killer was a White Christian terrorist, perhaps one with a poor sense of ethnography - but we'll have to wait for the investigation to turn up something more solid. It will be interesting to see what parts of the web this guy scrawled upon, if he did at all.

There is speculation that the shooter was angry about negroes and liberals and non-whites in America.

Six of our fellow men were murdered while they attended church. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/slideshow/sikh-temple-wisconsin-family-friends-victims-mourn-shooting-16934580

[flatlander]

There's speculation that the killer was a White Christian terrorist, perhaps one with a poor sense of ethnography - but we'll have to wait for the investigation to turn up something more solid.
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There is speculation that the shooter was angry about negroes and liberals and non-whites in America.

Just like the original speculation that the Aurora shooter and the Giffords shooter were both upstanding members of the tea party, and that Gifford's shooter was the product of vitriolic right wing politics? As you said, We'll have to wait for the facts to emerge. And the media will probably make up their own until the real info comes out.
 
BTW, did anyone notice that they are already calling this terrorism? The Fort Hood shootings were just as easily defined terrorism, but the White House was quick to deny that and instead label it as workplace violence.

[briarpatch]

A CHRISTIAN, TRUE CHRISTIAN DOES NOT DO THIS OR ANY ACT, LIKE UNTO IT. THE STANDARD WORK OR BIBLE OF CHRISTIANDOM DOES NOT SUPPORT OR ENCOURAGE SUCH ACTIONS, ONLY A FOOL COULD INTERPET THAT FROM THE BOOK.
To support this admin of proven incompetents in calling this terriorism and the Texas shootings work place violence is equally wrong.

[yellowtail3]

BTW, did anyone notice that they are already calling this terrorism?

Well, I'd call it terrorism. Based on what is known now... what would you label it as?

The Fort Hood shootings were just as easily defined terrorism, but the White House was quick to deny that and instead label it as workplace violence.

[size=78%]Well, that did take place in the accused killer's workplace, I think (maybe not?). I think it was a Major gone nuts, prob combined with religious/ideological motivation, but that's that case. I doubt they'll call this one workplace violence - it took place at a church, no one there knew the killer or had any connection to him, so far as it known.

I'm gonna speculate that there was some religious/ideological motivation. What bets would you lay on that?[/size]

A CHRISTIAN, TRUE CHRISTIAN DOES NOT DO THIS OR ANY ACT, LIKE UNTO IT.

Substitute the word Muslim for CHRISTIAN, and I believe you'll have repeated what many Muslims the world over said, to the accusation that the 9/11 killings were Muslim acts.

[Buckskin]

This awful incident happened 20 miles from my home. It is confirmed that the shooter was an active Neo-Nazi nutbag.  I don't see how you can call him a christian, my guess is that he had no faith at all... Although I do understand Yellowtail's agenda for bringing it up...

Another guess is that besides being a psycho, he was an idiot, thinking he was killing Muslim's and instead killing members of the Sikh's.  The Sikh's are probably one of the most accepting, peace loving religions that that is... Very sad....

[SHOOTALL]

I don't have a clue really about the shooter but one thought poped into my mind ( I must need retraining) . Why is it that names , labels or other discriptions need to be put on these criminals ? Why can't the facts be stated and let the facts speak for themselves. THE PC   BS NEEDS TO STOP !

[yellowtail3]

Why is it that names , labels or other discriptions need to be put on these criminals ? Why can't the facts be stated and let the facts speak for themselves.

Couple reasons, I'll speculate. In a case like this where the killer is killed, folks want to know... what drove a guy to murder a bunch of people he never met? So folks look for clues as to what drives that kind of senseless murder.

There are some clues coming out. Apparently, the guy was a white-supremacist type - he thought that white people are superior to black people, and that... white people were too apathetic, needed to take some kind of action. He probably called them negroes, if I had to guess, or worse.

Sounds vaguely familiar, I read something like that somewhere recently.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-former-member-of-skinhead-band

http://www.myspace.com/endapathyband

http://news.yahoo.com/7-dead-sikh-temple-oak-creek-wis-officials-164104371--abc-news-topstories.html?_esi=1

[briarpatch]

from yellowtail3

Substitute the word Muslim for CHRISTIAN, and I believe you'll have repeated what many Muslims the world over said, to the accusation that the 9/11 killings were Muslim acts.



You can substitute any group of people and find it is not the lay person that is the problem but the elite from any group. I do not believe the WTC bombing was muslim, that was an inhouse job MHO. They just needed a scape goat.


In truth this man that done the killing is a product of our elitist government.

[SHOOTALL]

Why is it that names , labels or other discriptions need to be put on these criminals ? Why can't the facts be stated and let the facts speak for themselves.

Couple reasons, I'll speculate. In a case like this where the killer is killed, folks want to know... what drove a guy to murder a bunch of people he never met? So folks look for clues as to what drives that kind of senseless murder. so state the facts and the reader can decide . we don't need spin or at least I don't its the reason so much mistrust exist in the first place.

There are some clues coming out. Apparently, the guy was a white-supremacist typeoff proof and there will be no doubt if the reader comes to that conclusion instead of being told - he thought that white people are superior to black people, and that... white people were too apathetic, needed to take some kind of action. He probably called them negroes, if I had to guess, or worse. and if true would explain alot if presented with his history like mental illness or criminal past etc.

Sounds vaguely familiar, I read something like that somewhere recently.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-former-member-of-skinhead-band

http://www.myspace.com/endapathyband

http://news.yahoo.com/7-dead-sikh-temple-oak-creek-wis-officials-164104371--abc-news-topstories.html?_esi=1

[mcbammer]

If  these  killings  continue  , Its   gonna  be   harder   than   chinese   arithmatic   to   buy  a  gun.

[SHOOTALL]

Maybe not it seems each one brings on board more gun owners . Bill Clinton and the Dumb-o-crats learned their lesson with the assult weapon ban. With each new gun owner the cause has more support.

[mcbammer]

Maybe not it seems each one brings on board more gun owners . Bill Clinton and the Dumb-o-crats learned their lesson with the assult weapon ban. With each new gun owner the cause has more support.

I  hope  your   correct   in  your  ascessment.  Ive   been  putting   off   buying   one  that   I  like   for  a  year  now.   I   better   get   in  gear  and  get  it  done  soon.

[hardertr]

Maybe not it seems each one brings on board more gun owners . Bill Clinton and the Dumb-o-crats learned their lesson with the assult weapon ban. With each new gun owner the cause has more support.

What is going to bite us (gun owners) in the butt is the fact that it seems most of these recent mass murderers bought their guns legally.  This incident, Aurora, and even the Ft. Hood shooters were labeled as competent, legal purchasers.  "Fortunately" this shooter used a handgun rather than an "assault weapon".  Unfortunately, this feeds to the rhetoric of "all guns" are evil.


Like others have said on the forum, I think online ammo sales will be hit first.  It will solve absolutely nothing of course, but will be seen as a "step in the right direction" by those on a witch hunt.


On another note, SOMEBODY had to have known all of these shooters were up to, or planning, something shady.  These guys had to have made a comment to a friend or family member at some point that would indicate they were losing it.  I think a statement to the effect of "you gun owners need to start policing your own...." is in order.  I doubt it would make much of a difference either, but THAT is a better option than a government with a bigger agenda stepping in and punishing the rest of us.

[SHOOTALL]

Maybe not it seems each one brings on board more gun owners . Bill Clinton and the Dumb-o-crats learned their lesson with the assult weapon ban. With each new gun owner the cause has more support.

What is going to bite us (gun owners) in the butt is the fact that it seems most of these recent mass murderers bought their guns legally.  This incident, Aurora, and even the Ft. Hood shooters were labeled as competent, legal purchasers.  "Fortunately"if you were not shot this shooter used a handgun rather than an "assault weapon".  Unfortunately, this feeds to the rhetoric of "all guns" are evil. really that gun chose its owner , loaded itself and went out and shot people ? what it brings to light as have the other shootings is the poor state of our mental health care .


Like others have said on the forum, I think online ammo sales will be hit first.  It will solve absolutely nothing of course, but will be seen as a "step in the right direction" by those on a witch hunt. bet it is also along with all ammo sales in some way.


On another note, SOMEBODY had to have known all of these shooters were up to, or planning, something shady.  These guys had to have made a comment to a friend or family member at some point that would indicate they were losing it.  I think a statement to the effect of "you gun owners need to start policing your own...." is in order.  I doubt it would make much of a difference either, but THAT is a better option than a government with a bigger agenda stepping in and punishing the rest of us.yep !
 
 

[DDZ]

 Every time there is a mass shooting the media wants and needs the shooter to be a white Christian terrorist. At times if at all possible that label is applied just to fit their agenda. Even though a true Christian would never do anything like this. The media is happy they get a white guy once in a while to place the Christian label on.     

[Singleshotsam]

Does anyone else find it funny that as soon as there is talk about the UN gun ban, we have a shooting in CO.  Then we have one in WI.  Am I crazy to think that there is a shady connection between those who wish to see guns outlawed and these shootings?  Or do I need to buy a tinfoil hat?

[yellowtail3]

Even though a true Christian would never do anything like this. 

Many Muslims say the same thing, whenever the word goes out that Muslims are murderous killers.

[Dixie Dude]

No one, no where is completely safe these days.  That is why more people need handgun training, and CC permits.  There was one church attacked somewhere, guy walked in with an AK and shot the pastor, but before he could shoot any in the congregation, a lady had a pistol in her purse, got it out and shot the man.  Only the pastor was killed, don't remember what happend to the shooter.  Church I attend, a couple of ushers are off duty detectives or cops, armed and stand at the entrances greeting people as they come in, and sit near the rear doors.  If something like that happens, they can fight back.  Hope it never happens, but who knows these days.  Like Charlton Heston said, "an armed society is a polite society".  If there were more castle laws in all states, more encouragement to be armed, crime rates would go down.  Crazies would be eliminated.  It would not end up like the wild west.  Jesse James gang was shot up by townspeople that knew he was probably coming and they were tired of it.  Gangs would get the message.   

[KIMBER45]

Does anyone else find it funny that as soon as there is talk about the UN gun ban, we have a shooting in CO.  Then we have one in WI.  Am I crazy to think that there is a shady connection between those who wish to see guns outlawed and these shootings?  Or do I need to buy a tinfoil hat?

Are you serious ? WOW!!!! that tells me alot.

[Buckskin]

Even though a true Christian would never do anything like this. 

Many Muslims say the same thing, whenever the word goes out that Muslims are murderous killers.

Really? Well they are awfully quiet while doing so then.  I have never seen any muslim leaders come out and condemn and try and put a stop to the terrorism that their followers are doing.  So IMO, if you don't speak out against it, you appear to be fine with it...
If any christian did an act of terrorism in the name of God, I guarantee you there would be hundreds if not thousands of leaders across the christian world who would stand up and condemn the act. 

[SHOOTALL]

What christian religion states that either all others shall convert or be slaves or be killed ? I would suggest they bring it on themselves . If those who claim they would not do so but send money to these  churches they support the cause. They are just as guilty.

[lakota]

In other news local troll attempts to use speculation about race, religion and political affliations to stir up dischord on internet forum.

[Buckskin]

In other news local troll attempts to use speculation about race, religion and political affliations to stir up dischord on internet forum.

Now that is funny!!!

[DDZ]

Even though a true Christian would never do anything like this. 

Many Muslims say the same thing, whenever the word goes out that Muslims are murderous killers.

Kind of hard to say muslims are not murderous killers, when their religion demands that homosexuals are killed, and women are beat or killed for adultery. I believe Kuwait just passed a law that serves up the death penalty for cursing God, the Quran, or the prophets. The only reason the Muslims in this country don't carry out their killing for these crimes, is because they know they would be put in jail.
A true Christian would never kill anyone unless it was self defense, but Muslims appear to make killing a habit.     

[SHOOTALL]

Even though a true Christian would never do anything like this. 

Many Muslims say the same thing, whenever the word goes out that Muslims are murderous killers.

Kind of hard to say muslims are not murderous killers, when their religion demands that homosexuals are killed, and women are beat or killed for adultery. I believe Kuwait just passed a law that serves up the death penalty for cursing God, the Quran, or the prophets. The only reason the Muslims in this country don't carry out their killing for these crimes, is because they know they would be put in jail.
A true Christian would never kill anyone unless it was self defense, but Muslims appear to make killing a habit.     

I agree with most but as long as we have the death penalty christians (as citizens of the USA ) will be killing for other than self defense.

[yellowtail3]

In other news local troll attempts to use speculation about race, religion and political affliations to stir up dischord on internet forum.

Well, that's a real problem - we can't be havin' dischord, can we? That's were we don't all think the same, right? Hmmm... might would interfere with local Political Correctness, Poitical Uniformity, Insular Thinking, and... might get the echo-chamber all out of tune & out of sorts.
Serious crisis, this...

maybe  speculation about race, religion and political affliations is something to be discouraged?

[ironglow]

YT Says;
 " There's speculation that the killer was a White Christian terrorist, perhaps one with a poor sense of ethnography."
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   Sure sounds like Harry Reid.. " I have a good rumor fron solid sources that romney didn't pay taxes.  No, I won't say who said it and I didn't check their honesty..but it sure is juicy gossip"         

[yellowtail3]

Questions have been Raised.

[lakota]

In other news local troll attempts to use speculation about race, religion and political affiliations to stir up dischord on internet forum.

Well, that's a real problem - we can't be havin' dischord, can we? That's were we don't all think the same, right? Hmmm... might would interfere with local Political Correctness, Poitical Uniformity, Insular Thinking, and... might get the echo-chamber all out of tune & out of sorts.
Serious crisis, this...

maybe  speculation about race, religion and political affliations is something to be discouraged?

This is a terrible tragedy and my condolences go out to those affected but...
 
You are as bad as the media vultures are. You areEXPLOITING THIS TRAGEDY. You are using it as a means to get a rise out of someone so you can point your finger and say: "See! I told you! Nothing but a bunch of RACISTS! orXENOPHOBES!" or whatever your insult of the day happens to be. A serious problem this! Maybe you should get together with your favorite leftist "journalist" and lob baseless insults and blame towards the TEA Party or Michelle Bachman or Scott Walker or whoever else you might like to characterise as a militant racist.

[yellowtail3]

You are using it as a means to get a rise out of someone so you can point your finger and say: "See! I told you! Nothing but a bunch of  RACISTS! or XENOPHOBES!" or whatever your insult of the day happens to be.

Well... racists and xenophobe are descriptive terms with real meaning, not insults. Perhaps this mass-murder by a racist white guy in WI is inappropriate for discussion at GBO? Perhaps safer topics would be... Obama the Muslim, and Islam is a Boil on the World's Butt?

Maybe you should get together with your favorite leftist "journalist" and lob baseless insults and blame towards the TEA Party or Michelle Bachman or Scott Walker or whoever else you might like to characterise as a militant racist.

Why would I do that? I like Scott Walker - he's the guy who did was he was elected to do in Wisconsin, right? I've not heard any talk of him being a militant racist - have you?

You're getting personal; stop it. This thread is about the murders in Wisconsin, and the likely motives of the (purportedly) white racist who did the killings of our Sikh brothers - stay on topic, please?