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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2012, 05:25:11 PM »
get a southbend 9in that is what i have and i turn all kinds of stuff on it from .30cal cannons to golfball mortars. Now if you have way to much money you could get a LeBlonde but those are EXPENSIVE

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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2012, 07:45:02 AM »
I did purchase the 9 in Southbend lathe last week. It is in better shape than I expected but has surface rust on all exposed metal. It is a diamond in the rough and I plan to restore it. I have a picture of another 9in that has been restored I will post. I believe mine will look as good when done. ( I will post some pics of mine later) :)

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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2012, 07:59:45 AM »
That SouthBend is the same lathe I have but with the quick change feed drive, a nice option.  Well done!!  They made these in different bed lengths, which is yours?  I've owned 3 of them over the years.   

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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2012, 08:05:23 AM »
Mine is listed as a 3 1/2 ft bed, but that includes the entire bed(headstock and tailstock). As pictured below it has 25 1/2 inches between "centers"(with drill chuck in tailstock). I have already started the clean up and building a custom bench. The benchtop is 48 inches wide.

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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2012, 08:08:23 AM »
Nice score!
Go through the whole set up and adjustment stuff, cleaning parts as you go.
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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2012, 08:15:35 AM »
I had one with a shorter bed, aboutthat size that I traded off...  keeping some goodies for myself.  Mine in a Model C9-10JR I have 30" between a very thick chuck & center...  might be as much as 34" between centers.   Check for the oil cups I mentioned in my earlier post.  They are below the headstock spindle & wick oil up.  You must remeber to oil them or you'll burn the bearings & lose your accuracy.
I like the tail tool holder.  I don't have that...  It'll be useful.

The previous owner welded up the bench...  I have my vise, drill press & a Baldor buffer on the other side of the bench.  Previous owner was building the catch pan to install a cooling set up, drains to the right but I never felt I needed it bad enough.
I did get the collets with it.

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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2012, 08:20:54 AM »
gcrank1, I plan to make it as nice as the first pic posted above (borrowed online pic). Many of the parts I plan to bead blast, prime and paint, all handles will be polished, all parts, especially drive train parts, will be cleaned, tested for fit and lubed. I plan to completely disassenble the saddle, check for wear,clean, lube, etc..... It's going to be a fun project! ;D  As cheap as I bought this one it will probably be in my shop for a long time!...........................................................

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« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2012, 08:25:33 AM »
I can understand your passion, but once you clean the grunge off the paint and spiff 'er up some you may be surprised how good she looks. The saddle/crossfeed dis and spiff is all good, get any shake out and TURN some metal!
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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2012, 09:36:51 AM »
Go easy in the cleaning of guides...  removing metal can remove tollerances.  Instead remove rust...  3M pads & solvent are good for this.  I rubbed light oil into the guide surfaces & never looked back.  I have a nice dry shop & 25 years later, everything is fine.  Non-contact points, feel free to scrape & paint. 
I got some maple topped workbenches when Brown & Sharp moved production overseas, out of North Kingstown, RI.   They were black from years of use & grunge.  We put them outdoors & scrubbed them with gasoline (yes, unleaded).  They came up with a beautiful  golden glow.  I was new to this type of operation...  my inlaws were in heavy equipment & it was routine to them...  scared the crap outta me.  Fortunately no one struck a spark & alls well that ends well.     

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« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2012, 11:14:36 AM »
Go easy in the cleaning of guides...  removing metal can remove tollerances.  Instead remove rust...  3M pads & solvent are good for this.  I rubbed light oil into the guide surfaces & never looked back.  I have a nice dry shop & 25 years later, everything is fine.  Non-contact points, feel free to scrape & paint. 
I got some maple topped workbenches when Brown & Sharp moved production overseas, out of North Kingstown, RI.   They were black from years of use & grunge.  We put them outdoors & scrubbed them with gasoline (yes, unleaded).  They came up with a beautiful  golden glow.  I was new to this type of operation...  my inlaws were in heavy equipment & it was routine to them...  scared the crap outta me.  Fortunately no one struck a spark & alls well that ends well.     


I'm no rookie, he he, I've owned close to two dozen machines over the past 25 years and have refurbed both lathes and milling machines, even retro fit a cnc to a lathe. I hand scraped the ways on a tiawan 7x12 lathe and the fit/finish was incredable! Nothing like the Hardinge or Monarchs I've used in the past, but rediculously nice for a tiawan lathe. The ways on this SB 9in still have most of the hash marks in them! Now thats just crazy! ;D  I have spent most of my career in the trade, no need for you guys to cringe, this little lathe is in good hands :) . About the oil cups, I plan to replace the wicks( I also have the original SB parts/owners manual). There is no noticeable play in the spindle, I will check it later with an indicator. I have made tools from scratch also, here's a teaser:

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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2012, 11:35:43 AM »
Good to know she's in good hands.  Also that you understand the wicks.  I was warned by the previous owner, which I am grafeful for.  I was a rookie then & had no idea.  Old school machines, built before I was born...     

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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2012, 12:22:24 PM »
Is that the dividing head from  " Build your machine shop from scrap " from Lindsay Books ? If so , Very nice job . Ed

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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2012, 12:23:48 PM »
In reviewing this thread, I thought I should add these additional comments. 

Should you find a desirable used industrial machine with a 3 phase motor, do not despair.  You can make a 3 phase converter from an extra 3 phase motor and a buzz box, total cost around $200.  Or you can spend maybe another $100 and get a VFD (variable frequency drive) which is much more versatile.  3 phase power is much better than single phase for machine driving.

Also, I don't know where you live but you should look into the NRA Gunsmithing program for the machine shop classes.  The one I am familiar with is two weeks long and 10 hours a day so you get a lot of experience in a short time, to say nothing about coming home with a bunch of completed projects.
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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2012, 12:55:05 PM »
Is that the dividing head from  " Build your machine shop from scrap " from Lindsay Books ? If so , Very nice job . Ed

These prints were in "The Shop Wisdom of Phillip Duclos" printed by Village Press, same folks that print Home Shop Machinist.  I built this dividing head summer of 1994.................................................

GGaskill:   3 phase is better than single, and 220v is better that 110!, this lathe can be wired either 220 or 110, it was set up for 110 but that will soon change ;D

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Not quite a Beginners lathe but ...
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2012, 04:04:50 PM »
perhaps useful for someone:

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Lodge and Shipley.  Not much tooling.
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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2012, 04:32:25 PM »
I don't need a lathe that big, but I would like to have a shop large enough to accommodate a lathe of this size.
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Re: Not quite a Beginners lathe but ...
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2012, 11:54:48 AM »
All you need is a building in the back of the house that's say 40' x 60' and a way to get three phase 220 or 440v to it......... But just think..... build a furnace in the back that can handle say 6 to 8 hundred pound of bronze....... and your half way there to being a small cannon foundry......
 
 
 
perhaps useful for someone:

Cragislist lathe (large)



Lodge and Shipley.  Not much tooling.
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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2012, 12:22:44 PM »
I'm thinking of taking an Adult Education machine shop course so I could try turning my own barrels. If I still think I might want to do this after taking the course, what would be a good "starter" lathe?

This appears to be a really nice Southbend fully tooled and would make an awesome "starter" or advanced user lathe..................
Ebay South-Bend-Heavy-10-Lathe-

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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2012, 01:18:46 PM »
That is a lot of money for a lathe that small even if it is a nice Southbend...

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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2012, 02:11:39 PM »
Nice lathe but the short bed limits it. 

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« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2012, 07:32:32 PM »
The bed length may be a deal breaker, but the price should not. This lathe should not be confused with 9 inch and 10k Southbends. It is the "heavy" 10 and has many features and accessories usually found on the likes of  Hardinge lathes. UMD drive, taper attachment, micrometer saddle stop, heavy bed webbing, much nicer QC gear box with feeds as low as .0007 in !, QC collet changer and collets, 1 3/8 spindle bore, lots of tooling, and much more, this machine would cost over 20k new just recently before production was moved outside the states. A machine like this would only be a good decision if a purchaser had long term plans for it. They may be plentiful in some parts of the country but are hard to come by in the south east.

On another note, many shy away from a shorter bed lathe ( for cannon making ) because of the extra length needed to drill/ream/bore cannon barrels. There are many creative ways to jump this hurdle and still use a smaller lathe. The only reason I could think of that would make the size of it a deal breaker for me is if I was planning full production manufacturing, and in that case I would be shopping for a totally different machine like the Haas TL2 or TL3, now there's a cannon making machine. But the original poster inquired about a "beginners" lathe for someone just learning to turn metal. Most of the Taiwan junk on the market now has to be reworked before they can reliably cut metal, a frustrating experience for the beginner. Many loose confidence and give up when a good quality machine would have made the difference.
I find this to be true with musical instruments also.
A good quality well setup guitar is a joy to play, while a cheap one can kill your confidence especially when in the beginner phase. ;)
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« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2012, 10:47:14 PM »
And not much tooling.  But South Bends are a fetish to some and its nice condition may bring that price.  Although I am suspicious of old machinery with primo paint jobs; I wonder if the new paint is there to hide something that would otherwise be undesirable.
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Re: Beginners lathe?
« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2012, 05:03:14 AM »
Here's some coming up nearby:
http://providence.craigslist.org/for/3185268424.html  Is like mine...  42" bed, machine mount & more tooling 
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/tls/3239308428.html  Looks similar, quick change gear box.
http://providence.craigslist.org/tls/3191739876.html  A bigger one, more money taper attachment
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/tls/3221654528.html 
http://newlondon.craigslist.org/tls/3180374843.html   24" x 6'  big old lathe, riser blocks, rust showing on bed in photo...  a project