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Offline Victor3

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Please don't feed the whales...
« on: August 10, 2012, 09:58:53 PM »
 The weather police (NOAA federal agents) might get mad...
 
http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/30/whistle-at-a-whale-spend-seven-years-fig
 
"...charged with the crime of feeding killer whales when she and two aides were in a dinghy observing them feeding on strips of blubber torn from their prey — a gray whale.
To facilitate photographing the killers' feeding habits, she cut a hole in one of the floating slabs of blubber and, through the hole, attached a rope to stabilize the slab while a camera on a pole recorded the whales' underwater eating.

So she is charged with "feeding" killer whales that were already feeding on a gray whale they had killed."
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Re: Please don't feed the whales...
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2012, 06:45:01 AM »
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There is a law about feeding whales in the wild??!!   
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Re: Please don't feed the whales...
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 09:02:26 AM »
Whales are wildlife, and there is laws in most states about feeding or baiting wildlife.  I for one don't want Killer Whales to know humans may be a food source.  I am often out amoungst them in a boat that is much smaller than they are.  I don't intentionally go out amoungst them, we will be fishing and suddenly we will be surrounded by them.  Sometimes one will come over and check us out, but usually they go on their way with out noticing us.  That's a good thing.
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Re: Please don't feed the whales...
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2012, 02:59:13 AM »
I still remember the day I sat in my 8 foot Zodiac when a pod came through the area. I had a big( they don't come in small) one going directly beneath me. I felt like the guys in the movies standing on a ship and watching the bubbles of a torpedo coming directly at them.
 
BTW. Salmon fishing is dead for at least two days after the whales go through.
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Re: Please don't feed the whales...
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 03:16:40 AM »
This story has nothing to do with whales. It is about civil liberties, overcriminalization of normal behavior, and the abandonment of one Of the most important building blocks of our common law tradition, mens rea, which required criminal intent in order to constitute a crime.


This is yet another example of the overreach of federal agents and prosecutors. It is similar to the case where an internet service provider was charged with wiretapping because his software copied emails as a function of delivering them to his clients, a function which every ISP performs in servicing such deliveries.


It is like the doctor who was charged with drug trafficking as a consequence of prescribing a drug to a patient who was in fact a drug dealer, and who duped the unwitting doctor into writing the prescription.


It is like the federal case that killed the Arthur Anderson auditing firm because employees were knowingly destroying documents. The documents were required by long standing retention policy to be destroyed, and there was no malicious intent.


It is like the ongoing harassment of Gibson guitar company,  which despite being one of the leaders in use of sustainablly harvested woods is being harassed for what appear to be labeling mistakes in the acquisition of woods from india.

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Re: Please don't feed the whales...
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 03:40:55 AM »
Yeah, what about that ridiculous raid on Gibson Guitar?  I wonder if there isn't more to it than meets the eye.  It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Obama administration has selected Gibson on the flimsiest of charges to harass them.  Are they a non-union business?  Have they failed to pay tribute to the Obama reelection fund?  And most of all I wonder where are the Tennessee politicians?  Why aren't the Senators and Congressmen from that state all over this situation?  Where is the Governor?
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Re: Please don't feed the whales...
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 04:37:00 AM »
Tennessee senator Lamar Alexander has been an advocate for revising the Lacey act. The issue in this case was that Gibson says and can prove that they followed the law to the best of their knowledge. The feds say they have a different interpretation of the law, which is vaguely written.


Last week Gibson caved, admitting that they violated the Lacey act in exchange for the charges being dropped. http://www.wsmv.com/story/19205297/gibson-to-pay-350k


Gibson was originally based in Kalamazoo michigan and moved to Tennessee because the cost of doing business was too high in michigan. Te key milestone in Gibson's history related to location was world war 2. Like many other businesses, they were used for wartime production. As part of this the previously non union Gibson was unionized as a steel workers shop. This unionization outlasted the war and finally became too much of a burden.