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Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« on: August 11, 2012, 12:47:38 AM »
  Romney picks Paul Ryan as veep choice..indicates that Romey endorses the small government, smaller spending philosophy.
  This does cut a clear choice for voters, since the present administration is quite the opposite, seeking to consolidate more power to the central government.  More encroachment into private lives seems to be a hallmark of the Obama administration, while it appears a Romney admin would more likely to retreat from micro-managing citizen's lives.
     The Democrats have their economic guru... Secy of the Treasury Tim Geithner,  while on the other, side Ryan is a stellar performer in economics.
 Here is an exchange between Geithner and Ryan..concerning the national budget..or should I say "national non-budget, since we haven't had one under Obama?
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s29X6Wm0J1Q
 
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2012, 01:49:07 AM »
I can't help but think if we had a bunch of Paul Ryan's in Washington how much better we would be off we would be. Just can't wait to hear msnbc's answers. Of couse all the liberals are going to go ballistic. We got to get rid of what we have now.

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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 01:49:55 AM »
A good choice IMO.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 02:34:26 AM »
+1 here. I think Ryan has a much better handle on how economics work. He sees this country running into a brick wall, and we better slow down and change course,real quick, or we'll be flat on our back. gypsyman
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2012, 03:33:23 AM »
This was the best possible choice IMO, although if they win I loose a great congressman.  Ryan is a class act through and through, knows enconomics and what needs to be done to save this country like nobody else.  He is an extremely good speaker who can make people understand his ideas.  This is what this ticket needed, something to ligitimize Romney's conservative transformation.  Ryan would never have joined this ticket if he didn't believe in Romney.
 
Oh and he also is a true hunter, not just one for votes... If Palan energized the base last time,,, what and see what Ryan does!!!
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2012, 03:55:14 AM »
Ryan wants government to control spending, stop the bailouts, cut taxes, repeal Obamacare, and give businesses a predictable and friendly environment, so they can prosper. Liberals just hate these ideas, because the majority of their agenda is taking money from Americans, spending it, and then demand that they be praised for it. Liberals will spend this country into oblivion if we let them, because their whole identity is expanding government by taxing as much as possible, and gaining control over peoples lives. 
Ryan's economic ideas do work, and those ideas are the only way we will ever see economic prosperity again. I'm happy Romney chose someone with a conservative mindset. I just wish Ryan was the one running for President.   
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2012, 03:55:51 AM »
Oh and he also is a true hunter, not just one for votes... If Palan energized the base last time,,, what and see what Ryan does!!!
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2012, 03:59:04 AM »
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2012, 04:06:56 AM »
Oh and he also is a true hunter, not just one for votes... If Palan energized the base last time,,, what and see what Ryan does!!!
Call me shallow, but I'm sold:



Agreed!
 
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2012, 04:13:01 AM »
An excellant choice. Someone who actually works on addressing real problems with real solutions.
 
He will make Biden look like the pandering theatre hungray jackass he really is.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2012, 04:14:27 AM »
The fact that he's a legitimate hunter is a big plus. That carries a lot of weight with me.

That being said, he voted yes in favor of bailing out the banks and also voted yes on bailing out Government Motors. Hardly what I would consider conservative or anyone to get excited about. He sounds like yet another Keynesian, right up Romney's alley.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2012, 04:15:56 AM »
I  like  it! :) :) :) :)

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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2012, 04:17:29 AM »
So the choices are clear; it's the capitalists against the communists, the economists against the spendthrifts, the truthers against the liars, the realists against the hopers, the budgeters against the incompetents.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2012, 04:30:21 AM »
The fact that he's a legitimate hunter is a big plus. That carries a lot of weight with me.

That being said, he voted yes in favor of bailing out the banks and also voted yes on bailing out Government Motors. Hardly what I would consider conservative or anyone to get excited about. He sounds like yet another Keynesian, right up Romney's alley.

Yes he did... And he has explained that many times over... He voted that way to prevent the banks and GM from getting unlimited amounts of TARP money... Didn't work, and he regrets the choice.  Trust me, he is conservative to the bone and will do what is right, not what is percieved to be right.... We one the outside of government only see the outcome, not the dealings.  Dig into Ryan's budget and healthcare plan and tell me that he isn't conservative...
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2012, 04:30:32 AM »
Oh and he also is a true hunter, not just one for votes... If Palan energized the base last time,,, what and see what Ryan does!!!
Call me shallow, but I'm sold:




AH Politics!  Remember that other Liberal that ran for Pres.? Remember his choice for VP? The diff it will make is small IMO. People have their minds made up who they will vote for, long before the VP choice is announced. If it's a close race it may swing enough to matter.Ryan is better for the country where he is now.He has a voice, but as VP, he will be a wall flower.

The powers that be know this, and really don't give a hoot who the VP is! Only the (P) and they have their choices already in place.To them it matters not which one of them leads the flock!
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2012, 04:51:57 AM »
I disagree that he will not have an impact on the ticket. For instance, Wisconsin is a swing state with ZerObama with a 3-5 point lead right now.  Wisconsin will go to Romney because of Ryan and that alone is huge.  The only problem I can see is that Ryan might overshadow Romney, which may be used against him.  Ryan will not be a wallflower in the WH, he very likely will be the most influential VP ever.  He has laid the framework in the house, and it will be easy for someone to step up and lead the charge, and Ryan will still be there as needed...
 
 
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2012, 05:19:02 AM »
I disagree that he will not have an impact on the ticket. For instance, Wisconsin is a swing state with ZerObama with a 3-5 point lead right now.  Wisconsin will go to Romney because of Ryan and that alone is huge.  The only problem I can see is that Ryan might overshadow Romney, which may be used against him.  Ryan will not be a wallflower in the WH, he very likely will be the most influential VP ever.  He has laid the framework in the house, and it will be easy for someone to step up and lead the charge, and Ryan will still be there as needed...

True, not to mention the fact that he could wind up as Pres. at any time (reason for a VP), plus he could be elected as Pres. in the next term.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2012, 06:21:36 AM »
The fact that he's a legitimate hunter is a big plus. That carries a lot of weight with me.

That being said, he voted yes in favor of bailing out the banks and also voted yes on bailing out Government Motors. Hardly what I would consider conservative or anyone to get excited about. He sounds like yet another Keynesian, right up Romney's alley.

Yes he did... And he has explained that many times over... He voted that way to prevent the banks and GM from getting unlimited amounts of TARP money... Didn't work, and he regrets the choice.  Trust me, he is conservative to the bone and will do what is right, not what is percieved to be right.... We one the outside of government only see the outcome, not the dealings.  Dig into Ryan's budget and healthcare plan and tell me that he isn't conservative...

I will dig into Ryan's voting record some more but I'm definitely disturbed by the fact that he was "for the bailouts before he was against them". I don't care what his excuse is, there is absolutely no way to sugar coat those votes. Anyone who votes to take billions of dollars from taxpayers to give away to failed private businesses is NOT conservative regardless of what they tell you. Those are the actions of a European Socialist government, not a conservative American government.

Romney has also made excuses for his atrocious votes in the past but actions speak louder than words. You can only judge politicians by the way they vote, not by the fact that they tell you what you want to hear.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2012, 07:00:37 AM »
Oh and he also is a true hunter, not just one for votes... If Palan energized the base last time,,, what and see what Ryan does!!!
Call me shallow, but I'm sold:




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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2012, 07:15:03 AM »
I could vote for a guy because of what his favorite pastime is, but I'd rather look at the issues.
 
Ryan has his pros and cons. I always go to this website to see how the person rates issue by issue to get an overall opinion of them. By their voting record.
 
Paul Ryan, On The Issues
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2012, 07:36:31 AM »
I could vote for a guy because of what his favorite pastime is, but I'd rather look at the issues.
 
Ryan has his pros and cons. I always go to this website to see how the person rates issue by issue to get an overall opinion of them. By their voting record.
 
Paul Ryan, On The Issues
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm
Thanks for posting that link
Yes, he has done some things I disagree with, I sure like that summary rating they gave him, I like that hard core stuff.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2012, 08:10:49 AM »
I could vote for a guy because of what his favorite pastime is, but I'd rather look at the issues.
 
Ryan has his pros and cons. I always go to this website to see how the person rates issue by issue to get an overall opinion of them. By their voting record.
 
Paul Ryan, On The Issues
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm
Thanks for posting that link
Yes, he has done some things I disagree with, I sure like that summary rating they gave him, I like that hard core stuff.

Well if you agree with everything a politician does... Look in the mirror because it's probably you... Pretty unlikely that you will agree with everything, no matter who he is.
 
Great website and something everyone should look at. This pretty much wraps it up though....
 
Paul Ryan is a Hard-Core Conservative.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2012, 08:45:16 AM »
I could vote for a guy because of what his favorite pastime is, but I'd rather look at the issues.
 
Ryan has his pros and cons. I always go to this website to see how the person rates issue by issue to get an overall opinion of them. By their voting record.
 
Paul Ryan, On The Issues
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm
Thanks for posting that link
Yes, he has done some things I disagree with, I sure like that summary rating they gave him, I like that hard core stuff.

Well if you agree with everything a politician does... Look in the mirror because it's probably you... Pretty unlikely that you will agree with everything, no matter who he is.
 
Great website and something everyone should look at. This pretty much wraps it up though....
 
Paul Ryan is a Hard-Core Conservative.
Click here for explanation of political philosophy.
Click here for VoteMatch quiz.

 
It's still a matter of personal opinion. One man's conservative is another man's moderate. Don't even have to agree with the websites' grading system. But the website allows one to make an informed opinion of his own. My opinion of Ryan is that we could have done alot worse, and no man is perfect.
AND, I might even like things better if the ticket was reversed. Ryan/Romney
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2012, 10:57:01 AM »
Oh and he also is a true hunter, not just one for votes... If Palan energized the base last time,,, what and see what Ryan does!!!
Call me shallow, but I'm sold:




any one  know as to what cartridge he hunts with??


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Maybe he is like John Kerry '"I'd have to say deer," said the senator. "I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach. ... That's hunting." WOW what a moron that dude was when trying to talk hunting. BTW nice buck Paul.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2012, 11:28:37 AM »
 Plenty good enough for me.
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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2012, 03:02:14 PM »
Here is all that I know:
1. Ryan is a career politician
2. Ryan voted for the bailouts
3. Ryan voted for Bushcare
4. Ryan voted for the auto bailouts
5. Ryan refuses to cut military spending
6. Ryan talks tough when the democrats are in power
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2012, 03:17:01 PM »
  Although "on the issues" is about the best we can hope for, it is not what it once was.  Now they seem to be aligned with "fact check", sponsored by the liberal Annenberg fdn.
 
     Just don't be taken in by "this indicates" statements, because they may be ill-founded! Think I'm kidding?  Note how they say Ryan only gets an 8% rating by the NEA  "indicating an anti public education stance"..which may well not be true.  He may just disagree with the way NEA wants to do public education..and many of us agree..right?
 
     Then it says he is rated 22% by SANE.."indicating he votes pro-military"  S0 what should he be..against our troops?  They could as easily have said " indicating he is a patriot'...
 
  Next it says.. he gets a 0% rating from something called ... CAF...so I checked up what CAF is...   it is a "progressive" organization, pushing a "progressive" agenda..so Ryan is likely correct in being awarded a 0% rating from them.
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  Then we have die-hards..Ryan has been in congress and voted on hundreds, perhaps thousands of bills.   Some say "he voted for this" or "he voted against that"... and perhaps cite a half dozen votes they didn't like.  Often times, one has to vote for or against an issue because of the larger, multi issued bill.  Some don't get that...and I doubt anyone, no matter how good, can have their voting record torn apart by "sour grapes"..
     Let's face it, certain intransigent persons would accept absolutely nobody other than Ron Paul..
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2012, 03:29:43 PM »
There are several things about Paul Rayan that should send the flag up for most freedom loving Americans.

He is the perfect candidate for the followers of the New World Order
1...He voted yes on making the Patriot Act Permanent. :(
2,,,He voted No on Military border patrols to battle drugs and terrorists. ???
3...He voted no on withdrawing from The World Trade Org. :o
4...He voted YES on wiretaps and electronic surveillance without warrant's. >:(
5...Big proponent for NAFTA, and CAFTA. ::)

In his own words, he is dedicated to an (UNBREAKABLE) bond to Israel.
I guess that means, he is for everything the government of Israel does! Regardless if it's right or wrong.Paul Ryan is a NWO Politician! Should fit right in. ;)



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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2012, 04:32:59 PM »
  Although "on the issues" is about the best we can hope for, it is not what it once was.  Now they seem to be aligned with "fact check", sponsored by the liberal Annenberg fdn.
 
     Just don't be taken in by "this indicates" statements, because they may beill-founded! Think I'm kidding?  Note how they say Ryan only gets an 8% rating by the NEA  "indicating an anti public education stance"..which may well not be true.  He may just disagree with the way NEA wants to do public education..and many of us agree..right?
 
     Then it says he is rated 22% by SANE.."indicating he votes pro-military"  S0 what should he be..against our troops?  They could as easily have said " indicating he is a patriot'...
 
  Next it says.. he gets a 0% rating from something called ... CAF...so I checked up what CAF is...   it is a "progressive" organization, pushing a "progressive" agenda..so Ryan is likely correct in being awarded a 0% rating from them.
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  Then we have die-hards..Ryan has been in congress and voted on hundreds, perhaps thousands of bills.   Some say "he voted for this" or "he voted against that"... and perhaps cite a half dozen votes they didn't like.  Often times, one has to vote for or against an issue because of the larger, multi issued bill.  Some don't get that...and I doubt anyone, no matter how good, can have their voting record torn apart by "sour grapes"..
     Let's face it, certain intransigent persons would accept absolutely nobody other than Ron Paul..

All good points to keep in mind, whether viewing a right leaning, left leaning or neutral website. The same thoughts ran through my mind while reading through Ryan On The Issues. There is alot of good information on that page to decipher. I'm mainly interested in the voting records. As I posted earlier, one doesn't have to neccessarily agree with the website's evaluations. I don't. I just use the information to make up my own mind. For instance, in my mind, Ryan may be a little closer to the middle than the chart shows. JMO. But that sort of "grading" is purely personal opinion no matter how they try to score an individual using some sort of mathmatical system.
 
I think the most important point you made was the fact that congressmen have to take into consideration everything that is stuffed into a bill when voting. Not to mention different strategies employed to get the results they want to achive. I have seen this when reviewing and discussing the voting records of Santorum and Paul on this website. Sometimes we have to do a little digging to find out what they are really up to and why they voted the way they did. Like when you see two votes that seem to contradict themselves. It's usually because there was something distastefull in one of them.
 
Thanks for clarifying those points to keep in mind while reading the page, Ironglow.
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Re: Looks like it's Paul Ryan..
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2012, 12:52:44 AM »
  One way to judge a man is to get info from those who have dealt with him.  Most all who have, agree that this type of spending would be a definite NO..NO  under his watch..
   
     http://washingtonexaminer.com/usda-spends-2m-gets-one-intern-program-fails/article/2504551
 
   This stuff smacks of "Chicago politics".
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