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LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« on: August 14, 2012, 11:00:59 AM »
My son has a 2001 Suzuki Quadsport 80 (LT80). It's getting a little small for him. He'll be 11 next month and is getting really good at riding.  He has the type of common sense that's needed for serious riding.  He understands to look not only right in front of him, but also down the trail to anticipate whats going to happen next and what he has to do when he get to it.  He keeps up to us, he'll stop if he thinks it's not right or safe and waits for one of us to help him, he doesn't over do it.  It's a blast following him. 
 
I'm thinking of getting him a used mid 2000's model ATV in the next 6 months or so. Either a Yamaha Breeze/Grizzly 125 or a Suzuki Quadrunner/Quadsport 160 (LT160). They're all close in physical size, the length, height, width, ground clearance, wheel base and seat height are all close, the Suzuki does weigh more.
 
The Yamaha's are belt drive automatic's, the Suzuki is a 5 speed auto clutch manual shift. I don't think shifting will be a big deal for him once he gets used to it. He's drove my Big Bear 400 4x4 a little bit around the yard and likes to shift it.  If he turns out like me, he'll prefer to shift over driving an auto, time will tell. 
 
I don't know how much more power a Breeze/Grizzly 125 has over his current LT80?  The LT80 is a 2 stroke, the Breeze/Grizzly 125 is a 4 stroke.  I remember smaller size 2 stroke engines would make more power then larger size 4 stroke engines within reason.  Is that still the same?  Does the Breeze/Grizzly 125 have enough power to make a noticeable difference over the LT80?  Will it perform any better then the LT80?  I've seen video's that show the LT160's running away from Breeze 125's with ease.  So I know the LT160 has more power.  I'm kind of leaning towards the LT160.  I think he'll get the most use out of it.  Nothing is set in stone though.     
 
We ride in all kinds of terrain, on seasonal dirt/gravel roads, ATV trails in thick woods, small tight logging trails, up and down all kinds and sizes of hills, in rocky areas as well as trails and roads with mud and water and in the snow until it gets to deep. We're looking for a machine for him with more power to do the type of riding we do.
 
Any thoughts on these machines or machines that are similar?  I'm definitely going to stick with a well known brand (Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, Polaris, Artic Cat, Can-Am), however, most of them don't makes machines in the 125cc to 175cc range.  That's why I'm looking at the models I mentioned.
 
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 12:57:10 PM »
Not sure of the laws where you are regarding age and av size etc...If it were me, and I didn't want to be upgrading again in a couple of years, I would probably go with the 160.  Anyone can learn to shift a manual tranny and should have that knowledge anyway.
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2012, 02:03:50 PM »
Not sure of the laws where you are regarding age and av size etc...If it were me, and I didn't want to be upgrading again in a couple of years, I would probably go with the 160.  Anyone can learn to shift a manual tranny and should have that knowledge anyway.


+1  Not a fan of some of the stupid laws to begin with but I am a fan of teaching proper technique and I'm a firm believer in bigger being better.  Keep in mind with the larger machine the kid is going to grow both physically and in his abilities.  Of course throttles can be restricted but I feel it much better to teach proper operating skills instead which is what it sounds like you're doing.  Just don't restrict his ability to become more proficient with inadequate equipment.

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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2012, 01:29:08 AM »
Im a yamaha fan but have to go along with the others. At his age hes ready to learn to drive a big boys machine. Id look at something around a 250 if it were me so hed have something to grow into, but it defineatly would be one that he would learn how to shift with.
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2012, 06:11:19 AM »
A Honda. 250 or 300 in 2wd will run forever






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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2012, 06:27:06 PM »
Thanks for the replies.
 
My wife has a '02 Suzuki Ozark 250. He's to small for that. He can't reach the controls as well as he needs to. I think it'll be a while until he'll be able to ride a 250. I want to get something the size of the ATV's I mentioned.
 
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 02:32:26 AM »
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelhome/647/0/home.aspx. Something else to consider that he might not grow out of as fast
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 07:24:27 PM »
We're going to buy an early-mid 2000 model. The Raptor 125 is relatively new. I'm not sure we'll be able to find one that will be in our budget. I think we're going to try to find a '02 to '04 Suzuki Quadrunner/Quadsport ('04 model) LT-160. I think the LT-160 will be a better buy over the long run. He'll be able to ride it a lot longer then he will one of the 125 models. 
 
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2012, 01:11:45 AM »
"+1  Not a fan of some of the stupid laws to begin with "
 
neither am I Old Syko, but it might be something to consider if such a law exists in his area and he plans to ride public lands or even some atv parks.   We didn't have nearly as many laws like this when my kids were young.  They began on a 200cc quad when they were really small.
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 04:50:07 AM »
Mark correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the regs pertaining to quad size v/s age were brought to us by the fed.  Therefore no matter where you go you're SUPPOSED to adhere to these stupid laws.  Either way, it doesn't mean we have to like them.  Friend of mine here has a son that was just short of 6' tall when he was 10.  The whole family is that way.  Imagine making him ride a 50. :o

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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2012, 01:26:50 AM »
Glad i live where i live. My kids road dirt bikes and 3 wheelers (yes three wheelers) since they were 5 years old and never did any dnr officer say a thing to us as long as i was riding with them. We had one come up to us on day to check out the bike the daughter was riding and he ended up buying one for his kid. By the way that old 50cc yamaha dirt bike and 60cc 3 wheeler are still going. I bought them new in 1983. My kids road the crap out of them, my grandkids road the crap out of them and now my neighbors grandkid is starting to ride them.
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2012, 11:35:24 AM »
Those probably are fed laws, unnecessary, unwanted.  It seems like the feds think that because a few people get hurt, etc.. that they have to restrict the rest of us.  Never really paid any attention to the atv size laws back when my kids were little.  I only had 1 atv, so I taught them to drive it, and they had a blast.  I feel about the same regarding motorcycle helmet laws.  While I always wore a helmet on a bike, it seems that an adult that doesn't want to, should have that choice where ever he/she rides... 
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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2012, 12:49:20 PM »
Agreed on all points.

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Re: LT80 -vs- Breeze/Grizzly 125 -vs- LT160???
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2012, 05:08:57 PM »
We have a 2001 bone stock Yamaha Breeze, bought for the boys at your son's age. Recently took it and our Big Bear 350 to Bundy Hill Offroad Park, and it hauled us around just fine. I think it would have enough power for your son! The kid in the pic is now 21yrs. old, 6'2" and 200 lbs. 8)
 

 
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