Top Five Nations in number of executions, and the company we keep...

[yellowtail3]

The Top Five


China - maybe 4000 killed in 2011
Iran                360
Saudi Arabia    82
Iraq                 68
United States    43

We edged out North Korea, Vietnam, Egypt, and Syria!

Three cheers, I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_sentence

[briarpatch]

One big difference, the rest of the world executes in a few days, we wait 30 years and call it a deterrent. My guess of the 43 investigated by our law enforcement and tried under our court system, 25 were Innocent.
The bottom line, look at all the money the lawyers made off of us taxpayers, it keeps them off the streets at night.

[twoshooter]

This is reason #2, just after personal safety, that I support and campaigned so hard for concealed carry. There is no chance of mistaken identity. If someone is in the act of robbing, raping, or assaulting you and you shoot the person on the other end of the knife, gun, crowbar or (censored word), when the cops ask what he / she looked like you can say - just like the do now, but with less holes in them.

[Empty Quiver]

Simply proves that even the most despicable countries have redeeming qualities.   
 
In a country the size of China with a population that large I believe they are remarkably well behaved to have so few capital crimes. Perhaps killing a few miscreants gets a point across.
 
Iran? Well,maybe there is something to the rumour they are BATSHIT crazy. As president Ineedadinnerjacket assures us they are nearly crime free in the muzzy paradise.
 
Saudi Arabia... well we all know you can't let a bunch of raped women sullying the place up now can we. I mean what will the Iranians think of them.
 
Iraq gets a bit of a mulligan here I believe. I mean they just had a good old fashioned war with plenty of terrorists to clean up.
 
Us or U.S. I mean. Looks like we have some catching up to do now doesn't it. The Olympics shows us that we can whip just about anyone in a good fair competition. Is it that we have way too many thugs doping? ineligible for the competition? Are we, as many suggest, a bunch of pansies when it comes to erasing a mass murderer or two? I'm sure if we put our best efforts forward we can clean out death row and bring ourselves to the front of this list.

[45-70.gov]

the  fact you say we beat out  SYRIA  tells me this is BS


and this is a good arguement for  extreem self defence
we sure  have many more than 43 that need killing

[blind ear]

the  fact you say we beat out  SYRIA  tells me this is BS


and this is a good arguement for  extreem self defence
we sure  have many more than 43 that need killing

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Heck yes, just look at congress and the crap they are pushing as the national agenda. Republicans vote socialist every vote.  ear

[finisher]

I mentioned in another post a while back that it is judgement that is our downfall (here comes the Marlon Brando/ Col. Kurtz monologue)... By law and for the crimes these people commit, we have the right to put them to death. Some things cannot be fixed, like a rabid animal.


But where do we, "those without sin" come off in personal judgement?


Now before you get on your defensive horse backs, hold on and hear me out.  I'm no different than most people. When I hear of a heinous crime, I cringe. My weak spot is for the children. Such things make me want to rage like the Incredible Hulk.


A friend in grade school who sat right across from me was the victim of such a heinous crime that her face has haunted my mind to this day.


Of course in my heart I want to call the animal that murdered her and did...things to her every name in the book and condemn him to hell. But aside from putting this rabid animal down as a public service (which didn't happen in spite of the fact that there was no legal doubt whatsoever in this case) I saw where the open and verbal hatred only grew inside me. It will ALWAYS be there. But I try as hard as I can not to give it power over my emotions.


She was not the last. Growing up in LA, I had attended more funerals by the time I turned eighteen than I care to recall; not all victims, but quite a few. Bad dealings in bad situations, and even worse choices mostly.


I eventually came to the realization that while we spout on and on about taking responsibility for our selves, I have to ask, how does one do that when they've only seen and known a life of robbing, raping, murdering....on and on. I have seen people for whom their was little hope out of the womb.


Born with two strikes against them and a third with the environment in which they live. Boo hoo, sob sob...I know.


But people are no different than animals. When left on their own they are forced to adapt. Dogs have to be trained in proper fashion as do young men in order to go out and kill other human beings in orderly military fashion.


So the question no one ever seems to address is: HOW DO WE PREVENT THE MONSTER FROM GROWING?


Monsters are NOT BORN, they ARE MADE slowly over long periods of psychological conditioning. I am NOBODY TO ASSUME TO BE GOD AND JUDGE these people on a personal level because I haven't walked in their shoes.


Now before you go accusing me of making excuses for them HALT and understand that I AM NOT CONDONING ANYTHING. Nothing can excuse the acts for which these people are guilty and for the proven(in most cases) threat they present, as I said before they need to be "put down" as a matter of public safety.


But I feel that if just half the amount of our taxes that have been spent on enforcing the so called "war on drugs" were instead put into SPECIFICALLY, EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT, I FEEL THAT A GREAT MANY FUTURE MONSTERS COULD BE PREVENTED FROM EVER MANIFESTING THEMSELVES.


My wife works here in Oregon as an Early Childhood Teacher, a field which by the way is just barely beginning to gain recognition as just more than a glorified baby sitter and diaper changer. Her studies have fostered personal growth in not just our children but in us both as well. I truly see the significance of it.


The program's emphasis is not just about the children but on trying to help parents (many of whom have various legal issues) to pull their heads out from where the sun doesn't shine so that they can be better equipped with the basic parenting skills needed to give these young ones a fighting chance to beat the statistics.


I mention statistics because I was shocked to find out from my wife that the measured academic and SOCIAL development of these kids (ages two through eight) is monitored by the state and federal government and used in the logistical planning (that is specifically beds and housing) of correctional facilities both existing and yet to be built in the future.


Our government is looking at our kids now and planning on how many beds to have available in prisons years from now.... .
They are condemning these children without even giving them a shot. I know all you ultra conservatives say "life ain't fair" but sheezz man! These are our CHILDREN, OUR FUTURE!!! DAMN IT!!!


I'm not suggesting we just hand it over to them as even the well off so often do with their kids; and look what happens; Columbine and Aurora. But these kids need to be taught some very basic DEVELOPMENTAL skills that they are not getting at home because of the last two generations that have had their minds pickled by that glowing brainwash box in every living room and now, in every bedroom, the kitchen and even the palms of our hands.


These politicians don't give a ...thing about ending crime. Neither do lawyers, judges, clerks, prison contractors, or even cops for that matter, because let me tell you gentlemen...CRIME  ACTUALLY DOES PAY! It pays a lot of people a lot of money and for the last 15 years law enforcement and corrections has been one of if not THE fastest growing INDUSTRY in America, I don't care what you tell me about LE lay offs and PD shutdowns, the INDUSTRY is alive and thriving; and hand in hand with the so called "war on drugs" (which so many refuse to see for the money making lie that it is), it is the biggest single WASTE of tax payers dollars hands down.


Many of you have read my posts about this subject before. You know where I'm from and I have seen the corruption and the lies first hand on one of the hottest drug battle fields around.


But hell, it's just easier to gas 'em or stick a needle in 'em all right? It's too much work to nurture the children of two or three generations of parents that have been sold out by a bunch of hard line self righteous "well to do's" that made a fortune selling the "American Lifestyle" and all the toys, superficiality, and mind numbing advertising campaigns that come with it. I can ALMOST understand why many would rather buy the drugs than a collective lie.


Yup, we keep some questionable company in our methods of handling crime, but at least we make it profitable right? The all mighty dollar, in god we trust.

[ironglow]

The Top Five


China - maybe 4000 killed in 2011 ?? how many litttle girls selected for liquidation ?

Iran                360  Does this include those stoned, beheaded, skinned, diseboowled by fanatics?

Saudi Arabia    82  Are the dead women included..or is this only those who really count (the men)

Iraq                 68  Your nose is growing..they often kill more than that in one stupicide bombing.

United States    43 + plus 60,000,000 boys & girls executed in abortuaries since 1973

We edged out North Korea, Vietnam, Egypt, and Syria!  SYRIA? ...I have to agree with 45/70;
Syria has a hot machine in operation..And that in only a few weeks!
     
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/09/syria-crisis-death-toll-17000_n_1658708.html
 
Three cheers, I guess. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_sentence

[yellowtail3]

Ironglow, those figures are for judicial killings - sanctioned by the court systems of the countries listed. Do you not believe the figures for Syria? I understand why you'd like to dismiss them - believe me, I do - but they're 2011. Do you have better information?


Hey - here's one you might like better - it says we're SEVENTH, not fifth. Don't know the year... it moves Pakistan & The Congo above us! Oh, the company we're keeping!
[size=78%]http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions[/size]


Here ya go, 2010:
http://ourtimes.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/executions-in-2008/



You'd do well to do a little reading and thinking, even if it looks like it won't ring yer bell or bolster what you already believe.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country
http://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html/


Would you like to see more killings or fewer? I'm guessing more, but I'll be glad to be set straight.

[DDZ]

Strange how those 60,000,000 innocent lives taken are not viewed as killing. We do have a problem in this country. We kill innocent life, and try to save and harbor the murderers that take life.   

[magooch]

So what is the point?  Are we to put on our tolerant hats and spend billions on programs that hires thousands of social programers to study and raise our kids.  I don't trust government and any of its do-gooder programs.  It inevitably would lead to brain washing of our yutes into being dedicated socialists and worse.
 
There are no guarentees of anything in society.  I've known people who had the best of parents and upbringing, only to become truly bad people.  And the opposite is also true.  You either learn the rules and play nice, or you take your chances and suffer the consequences.  I favor the death penalty, but only when there is absolutely no chance of a mistake.  I would vastly enlarge the list of crimes that would be subject to capital punishment.  Along with murder and treason, I would add burglary, dope dealing, armed robbery, knowingly spreading AIDS and general mopery on the king's highway.

[ironglow]

  YT says:
   " Ironglow, those figures are for judicial killings - sanctioned by the court systems of the countries listed. Do you not believe the figures for Syria?"
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   YT..where have you been?  Those 60,000,000 ARE "government sanctioned" killings !  The act of sanction is called " Roe vs Wade".
  The limit of one child per couple in China, is also "government sanctioned" killing.
 
        The political leaders in China who sanctioned these millions of murders, freely admit they don't believe there is a God for them to answer to.
  Meanwhile the political leaders in the U.S. ..and citizens who sanction this same type murder may be a bit slower to admit it, but their own actions witness their unbelief. 
     Just because these people choose not to believe..that doesn't mean they will be excused from dealing with an angry God..when their time comes.  At hat time, they lose their choices ..
 
  When Jesus said,
     "Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children."    (Matt 19:14)
  ....I don't believe he meant they should come to Him quite so early...and with "government sanction"..
 
   BTW: Who is to say that the women, homosexuals and "infidels" stoned, disemboweled, hanged, beheaded or blown to bits..were not done so by government sanction?

[yellowtail3]

   YT..where have you been? 

North Carolina.

Those 60,000,000 ARE "government sanctioned" killings !  The act of sanction is called " Roe vs Wade".
  The limit of one child per couple in China, is also "government sanctioned" killing. The political leaders in China who sanctioned these millions of murders, freely admit they don't believe there is a God for them to answer to.
  Meanwhile the political leaders in the U.S. ..and citizens who sanction this same type murder may be a bit slower to boast of their own unbelief. 
     Just because these people choose not to believe..that doesn't mean they will be excused from dealing with an angry God..when their time comes.

I think we're talking about two diff things - I'm talking about the DEATH PENALTY as meted out by governments. Were you confused on what this thread is about? It ain't abortion. You are, of course, free to start your own thread about abortion if you'd like - but in this one, stay on topic (please). You're muddyin' the waters, which doesn't get us anywhere.

Perhaps you're not interested in discussing the death penalty, or how it is that the United States of America is near the top of the list for executing criminals, right up there with a rogue's gallery of totalitarian (or Muslim!) states?

[ironglow]

   YT..where have you been? 

North Carolina.

Those 60,000,000 ARE "government sanctioned" killings !  The act of sanction is called " Roe vs Wade".
  The limit of one child per couple in China, is also "government sanctioned" killing. The political leaders in China who sanctioned these millions of murders, freely admit they don't believe there is a God for them to answer to.
  Meanwhile the political leaders in the U.S. ..and citizens who sanction this same type murder may be a bit slower to boast of their own unbelief. 
     Just because these people choose not to believe..that doesn't mean they will be excused from dealing with an angry God..when their time comes.

I think we're talking about two diff things - I'm talking about the DEATH PENALTY as meted out by governments. Were you confused on what this thread is about? It ain't abortion. You are, of course, free to start your own thread about abortion if you'd like - but in this one, stay on topic (please). You're muddyin' the waters, which doesn't get us anywhere.

Perhaps you're not interested in discussing the death penalty, or how it is that the United States of America is near the top of the list for executing criminals, right up there with a rogue's gallery of totalitarian (or Muslim!) states?

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    Abortion IS killing !   ....And it is done with the sanction of government!
            Don't play like the creature pictured below:

[yellowtail3]

Hunting is killing, too, but that's not what the thread is about. Start your abortion thread, if you'd like.


... or do all threads come down to abortion?

[Bigeasy]

Just to muddy the water here a little; assuming your numbers are correct R/E total court sanctioned executions, you fail to take into account the total populations of the countries you mention.  If you broke it down - IE - U.S, 300 million people, 43 executions, as opposed to say Iraq, 32 million people,  68 legal executions, the percentages of population executed would in fact be much lower for the U.S then the countries you are comparing us to.......
 
Larry

[yellowtail3]

Just to muddy the water here a little; assuming your numbers are correct R/E total court sanctioned executions, you fail to take into account the total populations of the countries you mention.  If you broke it down - IE - U.S, 300 million people, 43 executions, as opposed to say Iraq, 32 million people,  68 legal executions, the percentages of population executed would in fact be much lower for the U.S then the countries you are comparing us to.......
 
Larry

true that, except for those howlin' red chinee...

[Needles]

The Chinese do not kill little girls. They figured out a long time ago that it's much smarter for them to just allow foreigners to adopt them. That helps to spread the Chinese gene pool. China has been "conquered" many times throughout history. Whenever that happens,  the "conquerors" move into China, and, due to intermarrying, breed themselves out of existence. After several generations, there are no more conquerors, only Chinese. Make no mistake, China is going to rule the world. They will take over without firing a shot. They are already colonizing the rest of the world--- China sends hundreds of thousands of emigrants to other countries each year. Sure, it will take a couple of hundred years. The Chinese have existed as a culture for at least 7000 years; the thought of a couple of hundred years to take over the world does not faze them. It's already started and probably can not be stopped. Yeah, there will be pockets of Arabs Islamists, Caucasian purists, etc., that will hold out for a while, but in the end, everyone will be Chinese. Might as well get used to it. Ni Hao, Mei Guo Ren!

[finisher]

The Chinese do not kill little girls. They figured out a long time ago that it's much smarter for them to just allow foreigners to adopt them. That helps to spread the Chinese gene pool. China has been "conquered" many times throughout history. Whenever that happens,  the "conquerors" move into China, and, due to intermarrying, breed themselves out of existence. After several generations, there are no more conquerors, only Chinese. Make no mistake, China is going to rule the world. They will take over without firing a shot. They are already colonizing the rest of the world--- China sends hundreds of thousands of emigrants to other countries each year. Sure, it will take a couple of hundred years. The Chinese have existed as a culture for at least 7000 years; the thought of a couple of hundred years to take over the world does not faze them. It's already started and probably can not be stopped. Yeah, there will be pockets of Arabs Islamists, Caucasian purists, etc., that will hold out for a while, but in the end, everyone will be Chinese. Might as well get used to it. Ni Hao, Mei Guo Ren!

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I know it's off topic but it's funny how many people on this site are always bellyaching about illegal immigrants, particularly Mexicans. What most don't know is that for about the last ten years, many of these so called "Mexicans" are actually Central and South Americans.


I know the yahoos while say it's all the same but they are very different breeds. The Mexicans around whom I was raised would knock you out if you mistook them for a Cuban, Puerto Rican, or anything else. Go ask a Japanese man if he is Korean and see if you don't get a Katana pulled on you


Anyway going further off track and coming back... Absolutely correct about what you say about the Chinese. They've been doing it much longer than any of us. And if any of you think "Mexicans are a problem, go visit the San Gabriel Valley just west of down town LA. And that's just a scratch of the surface.


Mexicans....boy am I afraid, sure buddy   . Many of you have noooo idea.


But like I always say, we're all just people. Oh the company we keep.

[billy_56081]

What is not shown in the above text is the political executions. Once again we have people passing on lies. That being know would make someone passing on these lies a liar.

[ironglow]

  Needles says;
 " The Chinese do not kill little girls. They figured out a long time ago that it's much smarter for them to just allow foreigners to adopt them"
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   Not quite accurate, Needles..
     http://www.npr.org/2011/06/15/137106354/in-asia-the-perils-of-aborting-girls-and-keeping-boys
 
      And the Chinese are not alone...    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion
 
   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165507/Pregnant-Chinese-woman-forced-abort-baby-seven-months-kept-hospital-will.html

[gypsyman]

The U.S. comes in fifth place. DAMN  I was hoping for a gold medal in this event!!   gypsyman

[ironglow]

  We hear stats used often, and almost always used in such a way as to support the already drawn conclusion..
 For instance:   Some times we hear politicians say, " for the third year in a row, crime is down in my district"..
 
             "Come now, let us reason together" (Isaiah 1:18)...   
 
  They take their figures from statistics....so does that mean crime is REALLY down..or are they just not arresting and prosecuting for the same things as they previously have?
 
     Again:   " Figures don't lie, but liars figure"..    

[Swampman]

I wish we were number one.  They should be done in public.

[BBF]

What would it be?
 The gallows
 The block and axe
 A Firing Squad
 By Drowning
 A stake
 The garrote
 The guillotine
 Casting of Stones

 
Would you be able to buy a beer and a hamburger?
Would there be a Band?

[SHOOTALL]

One list say 27 since 8/14/12 .

[Swampman]

Public hanging is a powerful lesson.  My Grandmother traveled about 30 miles by wagon to see the last public hanging in TN.  It was a 3 day event much like a carnival.  Doing it in private is a waste of taxpayers money.

[ironglow]

What would it be?
 The gallows
 The block and axe
 A Firing Squad
 By Drowning
 A stake
 The garrote
 The guillotine
 Casting of Stones

 
Would you be able to buy a beer and a hamburger?
Would there be a Band?

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  For heaven's sake..none of those!  If we did those things we would be no different than the countries run by the ayatollahs.        

[ironglow]

  From Magooch;
   So what is the point?  Are we to put on our tolerant hats and spend billions on programs that hires thousands of social programers to study and raise our kids.  I don't trust government and any of its do-gooder programs.  It inevitably would lead to brain washing of our yutes into being dedicated socialists and worse.
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  Bingo Magooch...you just described "Operation Head Start"!      It teaches them to be obedient little Marxists...

[billy_56081]

What would it be?
 The gallows
 The block and axe
 A Firing Squad
 By Drowning
 A stake
 The garrote
 The guillotine
 Casting of Stones

 
Would you be able to buy a beer and a hamburger?
Would there be a Band?

Where do we sign up to pull the trigger? That would be a job I would look forward to in the morning when I woke up.