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canning meats?
« on: August 19, 2012, 05:17:40 AM »
never  done it  but really thinking of canning  beef and deer meat thisyear,  dont have to  worry bout it goin bad in the freezer if  the powers off again for weeks

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 08:00:00 AM »
I've never done it either but I went to an emergency preparedness seminar  and they talked about in depth.  Apparently it's pretty easy but you have to have a pressure canner.  These run about $150 and up and I haven't gotten around to getting one but it's on the agenda...

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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 09:22:07 AM »
yep i got a pressure canner this year , well the daughter bought one  but rarly canns, she found one  for 78bucks at wally world,  worked great on tomatos and green beans i wish i had one years ago, when  the kids were all home, i used the old methid of  boilin them in the open canner, spent many many hours  in the kitchen,  them days,  ive read up alot  on it so far  sort of waitin for a good meat sale  on maybe  old roast of some sort, and  do a few pounds and see,

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 03:31:48 PM »
I ususally can 50-75 lbs of yellowfin tuna each year.  Just raw fish, nothing else.  I use 11 lbs for 2 1/2 hours.

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 04:59:08 PM »
another forum I frequently haunt had a discussion about this subject.  I helped gather links to information for a data base we are archiving.


Here's one link that the group found and rated VERY GOOD for the broad base of information.


http://nchfp.uga.edu/how/can5_meat.html


The same site also has info on smoking and curing meats.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 01:50:40 AM »
charlesp /wow tuna would be  great to have  canned ! cept aint many swimmin around  these parts hahaha, salmon would really be great
thanks for the link keith44 /   good info!!!

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 02:05:15 AM »
i can about a 100 lbs of venison every year. Ive ate it with no problems thats been on the shelf for 4 years and it no doubt would have lasted twice that. I pressure can about everything. With venison or beef try this. Cube your meat into about one inch peices. Make sure you trim the fat and connecting tisuses. Some say that a pressure cooker breaks them down and it does to an extent but your meat will taste better if there not in it when you process it. In quart jars I put a beef bullion cube a teaspon of salt, a half a teespoon of crushed garlic, and a slice of union. then i pack the meat in the jar fairly tight till its half full. then i add another slice of union and finish packing the jar right to the top. Dont add any liquids, it will make its own. Well im doing it the pressure cooker is warming up on the stove with the lid off. I like to have it boiling or about boiling when i start. In another small pan heat some water to a boil. Put your lids in it for a few mintues to heat up the rubber seals. this will help insure they seal. Put the lids on and screw the rights snuggly but not real tight. Cover the cooker and let it vent steam for about 10minutes. then close off the vent and bring your pressure up to 12psi and maintain it for 75 minutes. At that time shut off the heat and let the cooker go down to 0psi on its own without venting it. Remove and place on a towel and let cool gradually and make sure all the lids are popped down. For pints do the exact same except use a 1/2 a bullion cube, half a teaspoon of sale a dab of garlic and one slice of union and process for an hour. I sometimes add fresh peppers to it to and use that meat for chilli and borritos. Have to admit thought that most of mine is ate cold right out of the jar. Some quick meals with it are take some of the meat with peppers dump it in a frying pan liquid and all and add a pack of taco seasoning and put it on soft taco shells or borrito shells and add your toppings. Another quick meal is to add a can of cream of mushroom soup. heat it up and then i take a jar of canned potatoes heat them and i have a meal in 5 minutes. You could do the same with rice.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 07:26:48 AM »
Lloyd,  thats fantastic advise, i was  wondering if i could add onion and  such things to the deer especially,  totally what i was looking  for,  for an old fart your alright!!!! hahaha whos  life treating ya?

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 10:04:28 AM »
  I've been canning meat for many many years, pork, chicken, turkey, deer, caribou, moose ect...  I do it similar to how Lloyd does except sometimes i add a little broth to the jars.  Here's some venison,
 

 
  I use to can my fish "mostly" in cans, but i only can in jar's these days.
 
  You can buy a cheaper pressure cooker on sale, 15 qt. is the most poplar size.  I have several pressure canners, but i like my gasket-less "All American" brand canner best, by far!
 
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2012, 10:41:37 AM »
I can remember my great-grandmother and other relatives gathering occasionally and having a chicken-butcher fest.  Wood-fire under pots for dipping the chickens for easier plucking...(I'll never forget that smell as long as I live).. cooked some chickens on the spot to feed the people there, but most were canned in jars...
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2012, 12:02:31 PM »
  I've been canning meat for many many years, pork, chicken, turkey, deer, caribou, moose ect...  I do it similar to how Lloyd does except sometimes i add a little broth to the jars.  Here's some venison,
 

 
  I use to can my fish "mostly" in cans, but i only can in jar's these days.
 
  You can buy a cheaper pressure cooker on sale, 15 qt. is the most poplar size.  I have several pressure canners, but i like my gasket-less "All American" brand canner best, by far!
 
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thanks for the info and  yep looks like what iam goin to be  doing,

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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2012, 12:05:55 PM »
I can remember my great-grandmother and other relatives gathering occasionally and having a chicken-butcher fest.  Wood-fire under pots for dipping the chickens for easier plucking...(I'll never forget that smell as long as I live).. cooked some chickens on the spot to feed the people there, but most were canned in jars...

 
i remember  those too. my granny would hung them on her  clothes line  outside would be 50 chickens  hangin  down thru there hahaha

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2012, 01:34:25 AM »
I havent canned raw chicken yet but keep all my chicken and turkey scaps and leftovers in glad bags in the freezer till i get enough for a canning load. I fill the jars about half full of cooked chicken and fill the rest with chicken stock. (i buy the large cans) and then add a couple chicken bullion cubes and pressure can it for an hour. All you have to do is boil up some noodles or rice and you have good home made chicken noodle soup. Another favorite of mine is canning chilli or speggetti sause. When making a batch for supper its no harder to make a double batch and can it for later.
I can remember my great-grandmother and other relatives gathering occasionally and having a chicken-butcher fest.  Wood-fire under pots for dipping the chickens for easier plucking...(I'll never forget that smell as long as I live).. cooked some chickens on the spot to feed the people there, but most were canned in jars...
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2012, 07:18:44 PM »
Don't worry Lloyd after 90 min. In the jar in the pressure cooker it won't be raw. Chicken or anything else you put in the jar. We jar most of our fish. I've done crab, and clams too. It's all good.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2012, 01:40:40 AM »
im sure it would be. Its not that id be afraid to its that i dont have access to a bunch of cheap chickens to make it worth while. Venison is about the only meat i get in quaitiy. My chicken canning consists of left overs. that and left overs from the holiday turkeys. God i wish i could have access to cheap crab! I doubt any would make it to canning jars though! Only fish ive done is ive canned smoked fish and i canned a bunch of suckers once that a buddy gave me.
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2012, 07:14:59 PM »
cheap chickens!!!!  wow  i dont think they  exsist anymore,  heck  they  cost more then beef and pork around here , most of the time,  i always  said that its the marketing anymore  that chicken is the healthy  lose  weight  food, so  everyone  things , oh if i buy high dollar  chicken breast or what ever , ill be  healthy and not have a heart attack!!!!! hahahhahhaha IMO

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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2012, 01:32:31 AM »
Funny you said that. My wife and i went shopping last month for grocerys. Yes i went with her. First time ive been shopping for grocerys in probably 5 years. We were looking for whole cut up chicken and went to three big chain grocery stores and could find a single pack. All of the chicken they had was split up into packs of legs wings breasts and thighs individualy. Only way to get a whole chicken was a whole roasting chicken. Used to be chicken was a buget meal. NO MORE!
cheap chickens!!!!  wow  i dont think they  exsist anymore,  heck  they  cost more then beef and pork around here , most of the time,  i always  said that its the marketing anymore  that chicken is the healthy  lose  weight  food, so  everyone  things , oh if i buy high dollar  chicken breast or what ever , ill be  healthy and not have a heart attack!!!!! hahahhahhaha IMO
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2012, 04:35:19 AM »
  I buy thighs with the leg attached, on sale for $.59 per pound (sometimes cheaper) in family packs, then cut the log off, put them into qts and can them.  The thighs i fry/bake/grill or what ever way i want them.
 
  I'd call that cheap chicken...
 
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2012, 07:10:25 AM »
One thing to keep in mind if you are canning in clear glass jars is that light will deterioate the meat over time.  Best to keep them stored in a dark area.  About 10 years ago, we converted our canned venison to tin cans.  Once you aquire the capper, it's a very, very easy process from my perspective.  Cube the venison (removing fat and connective tissure) into 1 inch X 1 inch cubes, pack in cans about 3/4 full, add water to can to barely cover meat, add a pinch of salt, cap and seal the can.  Drop cans into boiling water and boil cans for around 3 hours. We usually boil in a large cast iron pot outdoors over an open fire. As you drop the can slowly into the water, watch for bubbles (indicating a leaky can).  If a can is leaking, pull it out, mark it with an X with a marker and place back in the pot.  After 3 hours, dump the pot, let the cans cool and then any with an X simply eat up within a week or so.  Not sure what the shelf life is but I've eaten cans 4-5 years old without any trouble.  I've read 10 years as a shelf life, but to be honest, the meat is so tender it never lasts more than 12-18 months around my home anymore.  To make the process more efficient, we usually kill a few deer, debone them and put meat into the freezer.  Then, when we're ready to can, simply thaw and proceed. 

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2012, 10:07:02 AM »
  Boil the cans for 3 hrs??  I pressure can mine, including when i canned in cans.  If you buy a pressure canner, it will save you a TON of time, and in the long run, some money too!
 
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2012, 01:09:20 PM »
Just make sure your seals took before putting them into the long term spots.  Try to pry lightly on the edge of each seal and if it pops open, you've got issues.  I got to help dump about 200 pounds of rotten venison when my friends parents didn't get good seals on a lotta venison years ago.  You talk about RIPE!  Think I'd a rather had a handkerchief of Skunk scent on my face!   :P
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2012, 01:11:11 PM »
I know a lot of people do it but water bath canning is not really safe for meat. Doesn't get hot enough
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Real-Food/1983-09-01/Canning-Meat.aspx

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2012, 01:32:32 AM »
agreed. the only way id can meat is in a pressure canner. Water bath may work 99 percent of the time but people in that last 1 percent have died from it.
I know a lot of people do it but water bath canning is not really safe for meat. Doesn't get hot enough
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2012, 05:13:07 PM »
Mom told of canning beef, pork, chkn, etc in qt jard as a kid. No pressure cooker, just boiling water bath, thats all that was available back then. She talked about her Dad keeping a good fire under the big pots or vats to keep the water boiling. She said meat was packed raw and cooked for a good 3 hours. She said they always looked forward to opening those jars of beef after Church and adding potatoes. She said that it was very rare for any to spoil.
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2012, 02:04:57 AM »
agreed. the only way id can meat is in a pressure canner. Water bath may work 99 percent of the time but people in that last 1 percent have died from it.
I know a lot of people do it but water bath canning is not really safe for meat. Doesn't get hot enough
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Real-Food/1983-09-01/Canning-Meat.aspx

  I'm with you Lloyd, they didn't have the nasty viruses and deseases going on back then either, and folks today aren't as tough as they use to be either.  I'm always amazed how easy folks get sick these days!!
 
  All it takes is one time for someone to get sick and die for it to NOT be worth takeing the chance these days.
 
  When i was a kid, mom waterbathed too, but she always pressure canned meats, so even she knew waay back then that it would be takeing a chance to waterbather meat.
 
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2012, 04:34:37 AM »
The Armour Meat Co killed more American soldiers during the Spanish-American War than the Spaniards did.
I just wet bath can, no meats though. Some of my vegetables will loose their seal and spoil. Most of the time the lid will raise and I know they are bad early on. Occasionally it will raise then reseal in a day or so. Wouldn't want meat to do that, suck air for a day or two, then seal back up.
I spotted a pressure cooker on the way to work last weekend in a yard sale. Wish me luck that I don't get dysentery.  :D  I used to use one when I was a kid, canning for the grandparents. Can't wait to shoot some rabbits this winter. Those big old tough swampers will be on the menu again. A pressure cooker turns them into tender little bunnies.
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2012, 05:51:58 AM »
My grandmother too water bath canned meat. Luckily she got away with it or i probably wouldnt be here. It sure doesnt change the fact that it has made many people sick and dead. Sorry but i wouldnt feed it to anyone I love. It just makes no sense to take that chance.
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