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 Communist Party Leader on Obama's Presidency: No Better Time to Be a Communist in the USA  8/15/12
Dr. John C Drew: "Obama was introduced as one of us."
The Communist Party Leader of the USA, Scott Marshall, claims Barack Obama as his own.
Back in 2009, during Obama's first year as President, he is quoted as saying, during a three-day international conference of Communists.
 
"There could not have been a better time to be a communist in USA than this."
Barack Obama was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America party. In fact, he was supported earlier in his career by radicals like Bill Ayers (wants to end Capitalism / 'America's game is over') and the DSA that sponsored his events.
Read more at http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20120815003-communist-party.html#wUUKK9kWJh2UGLHJ.99
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Communism? Nah! There's never been a real communist country.  Even the so-called Communist Chinese are not real communists---Fascist/Capitalist Oligarchy, maybe--- pretty much what we have here, with less personal freedom. The closest thing to a true communist country is probably Israel, though not so much, anymore. (Kibbutz, Commune, what's the difference? Do they still run Kibbutzes?) Now, Socialism is probably on the rise. Historically, socialist governments are formed after the overthrow of governments that cater to unregulated capitalists. Wealth is finite; there is only so much of it. Capitalists accumulate money from the working classes until there is not enough to sustain the economy. The economy collapses, because the few rich people end up only able to trade with other rich people. Once the poor start to starve, they kill the rich people, take all their stuff, and form another government. It's a cycle. We are entering the collapse of the economy phase. After such a collapse, the majority of survivors may not know what to name the new government, but it won't be capitalism. Eventually, of course, capitalism will begin again, and the whole thing repeats. The uniqueness of the United States is that we were capitalists from the get-go. Of course we are facing economic collapse after less than 250 years as a country, too. Maybe that's why the other countries said we would not last as a country when we started...   :-\
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Thats a pretty offensive post Needles. I like the rich because I work, their checks are good.
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The rich don't pay me any more than my other patients.  :) I don't know why my post would be offensive--- it's just an observation of history. And I do not hate rich people. I do not trust them, necessarily, and I do not trust unrestricted capitalism. Like I said, it's a cycle that's been going on throughout history.  :)
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Have to disagree with you Needles, on the wealth is finite statement. IF, our money was a gold standard, and there is only so much gold to go around,maybe. More being discovered and put into the economy, but not enough to keep pace. There is much more ''money'' now, than 40 years ago. Money now is nothing more than the faith and trust of the people of the country. Govt. prints it, and hopefully the people accept it. There are more millionares now than ever, just because they used their brain, and found something that makes them money. There are more welfare cases now, because the govt. made it to easy for people to sit on their dead a**, and not do anything. And, most don't call themselves communist's, but they are. They depend on the govt. for food,work,housing. I know a few here will say I'm overboard by saying govt. workers are communist's. But, if you have a job for the govt, and, I'll even throw in school systems, and all your job entitle's is shuffling paper work, you have a job that's not producing anything. Your a communist. gypsyman
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The term "communism" has a definition which basically would mean that government owns and controls all the means of production and all that that entails.  To me, communism has other meanings.  It is when government taxes everything and anything in sight in order to redistribute benefits to those who didn't earn them.  Communism is also when an overbearing government believes it can ignore constitutional law, or reinterpret it to fit whatever need it desires.  Communism is allowed to exist and exceed when the media fails to watchdog the excesses of government and endorses rather than question.  Communism happens when there are more receivers of government benefits than there are payers.  Communism in America happened when Barack Hussein Obama was elected by communists--otherwise known as the Democratic Party.
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Have to disagree with you Needles, on the wealth is finite statement. IF, our money was a gold standard, and there is only so much gold to go around,maybe. More being discovered and put into the economy, but not enough to keep pace. There is much more ''money'' now, than 40 years ago. Money now is nothing more than the faith and trust of the people of the country. Govt. prints it, and hopefully the people accept it. There are more millionares now than ever, just because they used their brain, and found something that makes them money. There are more welfare cases now, because the govt. made it to easy for people to sit on their dead a**, and not do anything. And, most don't call themselves communist's, but they are. They depend on the govt. for food,work,housing. I know a few here will say I'm overboard by saying govt. workers are communist's. But, if you have a job for the govt, and, I'll even throw in school systems, and all your job entitle's is shuffling paper work, you have a job that's not producing anything. Your a communist. gypsyman

So, the US armed forces are the largest "communist" entity in the world? They are totally gov't. They don't make a profit, don't produce anything and are totally a tax burden.  :) What should happen to poor people who can't work or can't find work? Just let them starve? Thinking wealth is infinite is what CAUSES capitalism to implode, but maybe that's the plan...  ::)
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........................ I'll even throw in school systems, and all your job entitle's is shuffling paper work, you have a job that's not producing anything. Your a communist. gypsyman

 I'll have to disagree. Any Organization, whether Govt or civil will need some Administration to run properly. If this is what you call shuffling paper. When the Administration gets inflated  and inefficient with an overall design to increase itself above what is needed it creeps into Socialism. ;)
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I sure ain't happy with Obama, but as far as what the communist leader said, I would think he would make that statement every day of his career regardless of our situation. 

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There is no finite wealth.  For instance, I bought a house for $125,000, I have added lanscaping, pavers, terraced areas on hillsides, new sod, etc.  My hard work, now my house is worth $350,000 and with an additon has 2,800 sq. ft.  Hmm, this is only in the last 7 years.  Some is due to inflation, but a lot is due to my hard work.  People CREATE wealth through inovation, invention, and hard work.  Lazy communists say it is because there is finite wealth and it has to be shared (forced through taxation or outright taking from the rich).  I also have saved through my 402-k and other savings and hard work over 37 years for my retirement.  Now me and my wife have a net worth of $1,100,000 ready for retirement.  My pay is a arount $27 an hour now.  I started my job 37 years ago making $4.15 per hour.  I am 59.  Someone on minimum saving 10% of their income can be a millionare in 35 years with simple interest.  Two married people on minimum wage can have a decent living, yet save over time.  One can build, make, farm, etc. use their inventiveness, and obtain wealth. 
 
 
I know of a guy who took old mining equipment, and rebuilt it, then leased the mining equipment out to mining companies out west.  He started making over $1 million a year leasing this rebuilt equipment.  He knew mechanics and hydraulics, and spent his off hours from a regular mining job to rebuild this old abandoned equipment.  Resourceful. 
 
Hard work, good ideas, new inventions, all are rewarded if we are allowed to do so and not have to give up our harded earned profits. 
 
Knowing how repair your air condition, furnace, build a room, repair plumbing, etc, one can save a lot of money.  If one doesn't know how to do something, there are a lot of good books.  Everything is in a book somewhere. 
 
Japan has no natural resources, but their hard working people, willingness to change, invent, etc, they have the 3rd largest economy in the world.  Same with other countries who use capitalism. 
 
The Soviet Union tried pure communism and it didn't work.  China tried, and until they started allowing capitalism, they were kept down. 
 
America grew rich and powerful with capitalism, and private ownership of property, mineral rights, etc.  Mexico had a standard of living about equal to the US in 1925, but with socialism and state ownership of mineral rights, kept their standard of living down. 
 
As long as our economy GROWs, it raises all boats like a rising tide.  TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM. 
 
We had good laws regulating capitalism, but when government tinkers too much, it messes things up. 

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Needles, the armed forces produce the enviroment you live in. The safety that you can think,act,and basically have freedoms, that are only dreamed of in other country's. Sorry I had to 'splain that to you. Thought you might have known that. gypsyman
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Needles, the armed forces produce the enviroment you live in. The safety that you can think,act,and basically have freedoms, that are only dreamed of in other country's. Sorry I had to 'splain that to you. Thought you might have known that. gypsyman

 
GYPSYMAN. YEP, good post Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Knowing how repair your air condition, furnace, build a room, repair plumbing, etc, one can save a lot of money.  If one doesn't know how to do something, there are a lot of good books.  Everything is in a book somewhere. 

Now that one is just funny! ;D

I installed my furnace and central air system myself years ago.....well, me and "Time Life Books" ;) It's run great for many years now, and saved me a lot of money.

Today........ it is illegal for me to even do maintainence on it. Only a state licensed contractor is permitted to to work on or replace a furnace or air conditioner. Next phase of the law will make it illegal to replace a water heater or toilet without the proper licenses....... Thanx to our last socialistdemolib governor! :o
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Knowing how repair your air condition, furnace, build a room, repair plumbing, etc, one can save a lot of money.  If one doesn't know how to do something, there are a lot of good books.  Everything is in a book somewhere. 

Now that one is just funny! ;D

I installed my furnace and central air system myself years ago.....well, me and "Time Life Books" ;) It's run great for many years now, and saved me a lot of money.

Today........ it is illegal for me to even do maintainence on it. Only a state licensed contractor is permitted to to work on or replace a furnace or air conditioner. Next phase of the law will make it illegal to replace a water heater or toilet without the proper licenses....... Thanx to our last socialistdemolib governor! :o
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Needles, the armed forces produce the enviroment you live in. The safety that you can think,act,and basically have freedoms, that are only dreamed of in other country's. Sorry I had to 'splain that to you. Thought you might have known that. gypsyman

That does not mean they are NOT a communist organization, by your own definition.  :) I appreciate the military, and everyone who served. The military is still exactly what you're all calling communism. Deal with the real.  :)
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The rich don't pay me any more than my other patients.  :) I don't know why my post would be offensive--- it's just an observation of history. And I do not hate rich people. I do not trust them, necessarily, and I do not trust unrestricted capitalism. Like I said, it's a cycle that's been going on throughout history.  :)
Possibly another country would better suit you.
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The rich don't pay me any more than my other patients.  :) I don't know why my post would be offensive--- it's just an observation of history. And I do not hate rich people. I do not trust them, necessarily, and I do not trust unrestricted capitalism. Like I said, it's a cycle that's been going on throughout history.  :)
Possibly another country would better suit you.

So far the so-called liberals have been restricting the capitalists enough (barely) that this one is still decent.  ;D ;D
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As I said, perhaps another country would suit you better. Capitalism is the only system where freedom can exist. I am a Capitalist. Nationalizing car companies and banks is keeping capitalism in check? Looks like communism/fascism to me.
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Regulated Capitalism served us well for over two centruies.  There are/was laws against monopolies.  Natural monopolies like utilities, the profits are regulated.  In Alabama it is from 9-13% profit after all expenses of a private utility.  If their profits go below 9%, the utility can get a rate increase, if it goes above 13%, they have to give a rate decrease.  Profits are checked quarterly, and adjusted annually.  This only applies to natural monopolies.  Now, Apple can make 200% profits, because they have competition from other computer makers and manufacturers. 
 
Problem is, congress allowed 5 big oil companies to take over most of the smaller companies, "because there was still competition".  However, 5 companies CEO's can get together and determine pricing along with OPEC.  I know that BP bought out Texaco, Gulf, and Amoco oil companies.  I personally think they should be busted up into 10-20 companies, for gas wars like they once had. 
 
Another biggie is GE.  They have competition, but not enough. 
 
More competition would lead to lower prices and more inovation. 
 
Capitalism with one party rule, more government control, and less competition leads to Facism, Nazism, or even Communism.  These all end up bad.  We currently are headed to a Facist/Socialist country. 
 
The feds once had about 20% of the economy.  With Control through Obamacare, they get about 40% control.  Now they own GM and Chrysler, and who knows what else they want, they will end up with a Facist country if we keep electing democrats.  Republicans are a little better, especially with small business, but they need to break up the government control and the big oligarths. 
 
Another is breaking up the Federal Reserve, with the Treasury department printing money backed up by gold like it once was. 

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You  can   put   some  of  the  blame  on   the   Insurance   Companies  for   that.


Not too much.....the former Gov made it very clear that he was doing it to help small business owners. Which makes sense, more SBOs means more license and certification fees going into state coffers, which insurance companies aren't paying.

And guess who's paying for those licenses and certifications......ME! every time I have to call in a contractor, I'm footing the bill for his license too.

It's a two edged sword, but the government will get their cut no matter what! >:(
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I've heard some of Obama's advisors want to take over the 401-k's and pensions of companies and put it into social security.  If he is re-elected, I may retire early to take mine before he can get it.  Spend it myself how I see fit.  I worked for 37 years and paid into my 401k.  It is not his money. 

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needles. I sincerely don't believe that ANY of our military folks would appreciate hearing that the job they do is like communism, I certainly don't. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Doesn't change anything. It is what it is.   :)
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