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6.5 Grendel Handi
« on: August 20, 2012, 07:15:52 AM »
One of my coworkers has renewed my interest in the 6.5 Grendel. Being budget minded, I did a rough estimate of cost for a grendel Handi. I think a standard .22 Hornet barrel could be used for a rebore and rechamber job. I checked Dan Pedersen's website http://www.cutrifle.com/reboring.html and the cost is around $300. Not too bad as long as he has a reamer already. Being that the Grendel is loosely based on the 7.62x39 case, I believe a factory extractor could be used with little if any modifications.

Your thoughts?

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 08:32:15 AM »
Dinny, I for onr think 6.5 Grendel would make a very"handy,Handi" rifle. The ballistics are just about perfect for deer, varmits,etc.I think a 120gr NBT would be great medicine.Doug
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 12:09:09 PM »
Dinny,
 
Not a clue on your project but it is good to see you have time for something beside "work".   How long before you come home?
 
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 05:46:10 PM »
Quote from: canon6 on August 20, 2012, 08:32:15 AM
Dinny, I think a 120gr NBT would be great medicine.Doug

Doug, that was my same thought. If given a choice of the rebore twist, I think I would choose 1:8.5". It should also be easy on the shoulder. ;)

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 How long before you come home?
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5 more months.... :'(

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 01:48:52 AM »
Quote from: -Dinny on August 20, 2012, 05:46:10 PM

Quote from: bikerbeans on August 20, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
Dinny,
 How long before you come home?
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5 more months.... :'(

Thanks, Dinny
Aren't you counting in days yet?
Watch the green and come home safe.


On the 6.5:

IMHO
The TCU (parent case .223) Does not give up much to the Grendel in "Handi range".
The Creedmoor (parent case 250 Savage) Can outreach the Grendel, but in Handi range?
The Creedmoor loses it's advantage over the 260 in a single shot.
If you have a Hornet barrel cut to 6.5 it should make a very light sweet Grendel.
If you have a .223 barrel cut to 6.5 the TCU is a natural.
...a 22-250 makes a Creedmoor
...and a .243 for a 260.


So what extra barrels you got in the closet?

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 03:56:41 AM »
Unfortunately I don't have any extra barrels that would suffice for this project. I will start by procuring a Hornet barrel and see where that takes me. That may end up being my last barrel purchase if the Grendel lives up to it's reputation. :)

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 05:59:03 AM »
The majority of my current Handi barrels were my "last" barrel. ;)    There is no cure for this problem. ;D
 
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 07:14:13 AM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on August 21, 2012, 05:59:03 AM
The majority of my current Handi barrels were my "last" barrel. ;)    There is no cure for this problem. ;D
 
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I'm sorry,
........what problem?
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 07:35:24 AM »
For $300, if he owns an AR, would it not be cheaper to just buy an AR-upper?  Or just a little more money? 
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 01:29:05 AM »
Quote from: Dixie Dude on August 21, 2012, 07:35:24 AM
For $300, if he owns an AR, would it not be cheaper to just buy an AR-upper?  Or just a little more money?

300 BLK uppers are real expensive for some reason. I don't think I have ever seen one under $800.
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 02:58:02 AM »
Supply and demand
Cheapo new prices are all about the same.

I see .556, 6.8, 7.62x39 used start at ~$300.
300BLK, 6.5G, .458  are usually more.
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 04:19:04 AM »
Quote from: ibgp3 on August 22, 2012, 02:58:02 AM
Supply and demand
Cheapo new prices are all about the same.

I see .556, 6.8, 7.62x39 used start at ~$300.
300BLK, 6.5G, .458  are usually more.
Also, standard pre-election fears with people putting $$$ into firearms that they'll sell on consignment in April when they see how much they owe on the 1040 instead of supporting a pro-2A candidate today. The non-standard calibers do not have the economy of scale to bring down the prices.


With that said, the 6.5 Grendel would be a natural in the Handi as would the 6.8 SPC. Haven't heard of a 6.5x*** round that wasn't accurate.
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2012, 05:08:45 AM »
Yep, the old JFK Commemorative Carcano is an under-rated combination.
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2012, 10:34:42 PM »
I'm a little closer to making a Grendel Handi. I have a .22H barrel, 7.62x39 extractor and new forend all the way. Wayne York is doing the rebore and rechamber work. Now all I need to do is get permission from my wife to spend some of the money we've been saving while I've been deployed overseas. ::)

Does Wayne usually prefer to have a dummy round sent so he can throat the chamber accordingly?

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2012, 06:07:49 AM »
Adam,

BLUF, since Alexander Arms allowed the Grendel to become SAAMI speced and no longer requires royalties for use of the Grendel name my following recommendation is not the issue it was at one time.   However, before you commit totally to this look at the .264 LBC (Les Baer Custom) specs and compare to the 6.5 Grendel.  A Bing search will give you a lot of reading on the subject. 

That said, IMHO the 6.5 Grendel/.264lbc is about the most perfect chambering for the AR15 platform and I'd be more inclined to go with the 6.5 Creedmoor, 260 Rem, or 6.5X55 on the Handi platform due to the Handi's ability to handle higher pressures without cartridge length limitations.  Best bang for your buck.  Now, just so I don't get flamed too bad for my opinion, one of the draws for the Handi is the ease in rebore/rechambering and stubbing for the nonstandard caliber of choice.  Have fun.

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2012, 09:12:58 AM »
Practicality rears it's ugly head again ( ;) ).......sounds sound to me SH.45, even though I like high load density cartridges I also like having them capable of more than my oft-used 'loaded down' levels. Im using powders to achieve that now, rather than a plethora of cartridge selection.
Still, I like it that you are still dreamin', Dinny; keeps life good  ;D
Stay safe, bro.
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2012, 08:57:32 PM »
Quote from: shvlhead.45 on August 28, 2012, 06:07:49 AM
Adam,
That said, IMHO the 6.5 Grendel/.264lbc is about the most perfect chambering for the AR15 platform and I'd be more inclined to go with the 6.5 Creedmoor, 260 Rem, or 6.5X55 on the Handi platform due to the Handi's ability to handle higher pressures without cartridge length limitations.  Best bang for your buck.  Now, just so I don't get flamed too bad for my opinion, one of the draws for the Handi is the ease in rebore/rechambering and stubbing for the nonstandard caliber of choice.  Have fun.
Shvlhead.45

Charles,
   You make a good point, however, I would like to see this Grendel make it's way into my wife's hands someday. I think it's efficient and powerful enough to handle any game she's likely to point it at and will offer much less recoil for her. She flinches rather easily.
  Just so happens that those same characteristics will make it a joy for me to shoot too.  ;D

Thanks, Dinny

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2012, 06:58:22 AM »
"Charles,
   You make a good point, however, I would like to see this Grendel make it's way into my wife's hands someday. I think it's efficient and powerful enough to handle any game she's likely to point it at and will offer much less recoil for her. She flinches rather easily.
  Just so happens that those same characteristics will make it a joy for me to shoot too.  ;D"

Adam,

You'd have a hard time finding a better round for that purpose.  Once I get one of the high pressure 6.5s for the PH I will be doing an EBR in .264LBC. 

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2012, 07:51:45 AM »
Unless you have an AR in the 6.5 Grendel you might want to think about doing it in the 6.5 bench rest magnum, which is nothing more than a 30/30 necked down to 6.5, ballistically they are very close with the 6.5brm having a slight edge, but since the case capacity is bigger on the 6.5brm pressure is less, and it is a rimmed round. I did a stub in 6.5x53r which is based on the .303 case it is a rimmed version of the 6.5x54ms and it is my favorite rifle and round, low recoil, accurate, I have taken two elk with it over the years, many dear and countless hogs.   

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2012, 02:46:03 AM »
The barrel, forend, extractor a dummy round will soon be on their way to Wayne York. Friday the receiver is heading that way too. Approximately 8 weeks later my Grendel Handi will be close to completion. Now if I could only come home sooner to play with it.

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2012, 03:25:53 AM »
How much does he charge for a rebore and rechamber?
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2012, 03:49:42 AM »
Quote from: dave29 on September 03, 2012, 03:25:53 AM
How much does he charge for a rebore and rechamber?

Back a few posts I think I read $300...

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2012, 03:25:44 AM »
I got my order from Alexander Arms 9-6-12 that I places 4-16-12. I ordered a 6.5 Grendel 16" ss barrel 1 in 7.5 turn rate ,6.5 marked upper rec.,bolt, gas block, gas tube 6.5 birdcage and mag for a AR 15. $484 to the house . I know this has nothing to do with a Handi, But this is an cheap Grendel conversion. 40 min build time. I had the free float hand guard on hand which needs to be a mid length. For what it's worth. 26-t
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2012, 03:44:43 PM »
The Grendel is great in an AR or specialty pistol, but out of place in a Handi. A .270 loaded down to Grendel performance with H4895 would get you to the same place with much less trouble.
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2012, 05:22:03 PM »
The .270 can be loaded down, but not with the high bc's of the 120Gr NBT.Besides we love "much more trouble" ::) , and logic has nothing to do with it.   ;D     Doug
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2012, 02:13:44 AM »
I think Dinny deserves a 6.5 Grindel if that is what he wants.He is serving our country in some dire times and putting his country first counts a lot in my book. A combat medic puts his life on the line to save others.
  Personally I think we should take up a collection and  get Dinny a 6.5 barrel as a thank you coming home present.
Thank You Dinny
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2012, 02:49:57 AM »
Quote from: jeepmann1948 on September 15, 2012, 02:13:44 AM
I think Dinny deserves a 6.5 Grindel if that is what he wants.He is serving our country in some dire times and putting his country first counts a lot in my book. A combat medic puts his life on the line to save others.
  Personally I think we should take up a collection and  get Dinny a 6.5 barrel as a thank you coming home present.
Thank You Dinny
George Mann

I'll contribute to that!  :)

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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2012, 02:59:21 AM »
Quote from: howl on September 14, 2012, 03:44:43 PM
The Grendel is great in an AR or specialty pistol, but out of place in a Handi. ......................
...out of place? :o ??? :o ;D ;D ;D


I agree with George and CW, Dinny gets a Grendel.


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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2012, 03:03:15 AM »
Figure out who is gonna handle money and i will get some in mail.
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Re: 6.5 Grendel Handi
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2012, 04:38:02 AM »
Count me in!
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